FB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[footballfan413]

Maybe, but it's one less variable.

Jones looked bad against Mount Union (what QB didn't?) but he was still pretty darn good.

I believe this is a prime example of a "backhanded compliment," Stealth, but a compliment none the less. 

I'll admit that 9 completions out of 24 attempts does not look like much on paper but you got to admit, those 9 were quality.   Two of Danny's biggest strengths is that he is always a threat to hurt you with his legs and he makes very few errors in a game. Micheli's numbers were much better in both passing and running but Jones only fumbled once, (Micheli-2)  threw no interceptions, (Micheli-1) and scored two TD's, (Micheli-0.)  I know whose performance I'd take that day! 

[retagent]

Actually, I think we're on the same page BoBo. Sometimes though, I think we all forget that.

In truth, I'm more of a golfer than a hunter, and I still try to play hockey with the young "whippersnappers" in Janesville once a week. Revise that picture. Good to know that we may be of the same generation.

[Barber Greene]

Danny Jones was not a passing machine for the Warhawks. He managed the game well and relied on the defense, Beaver, and his own legs. For me, the most memorable moment for Danny came late in the game against Mary Hardin Baylor in the playoffs when Danny had the long run (62 yards) to pretty much seal the deal.

His passing performance against Mt Union wasn't that much different than what he had done in several games throughout the year and in the playoffs. He didn't pass for 200 yards in any playoff game. For the year, he was a 54% passer and averaged 166 yd/game.

http://www.uwwsports.com/sports/football/2007/teamcume.htm
http://www.uwwsports.com/sports/football/2007/teamstat.htm

[Just Bill]

I always thought of Danny Jones as Scott Krause without the arm.  Of course Krause never had a running game like UWW had at his disposal.

[stealth]

Voice of reason as always. Just irked me that it got brought up when we are on the door step of another year. The banner has been hung, the ring still shines brightly in the Wisconsin sun and the memories of a great season will never fade. Bless him for having the guts to take a shot at a championship, guiding the team to a great season by any accounts. But just to put a period on this subject of his QB rating, arm strenght, accuracy, etc. He came to UWW with 3 years of being in the top 50 in the nation in passing stats. No fluke.  He came to UWW knowing he wasn't going to pass 50-60 times a game because of the running attack. Coach Z had some adjustments to the game he played also. But I do seem to remember a huge comeback againts LAX, remarkable game against Wabash in the worst of conditions, put an end to MHB hopes twice and then as you so rightly noted made no mistakes against the number one team in the nation and kept making the big plays when they had to be made.
End of discussion from the Stealth hanger. It's over. See ya all at Puget Sound for the next chapter.

Maybe, but it's one less variable.

Jones looked bad against Mount Union (what QB didn't?) but he was still pretty darn good.

I believe this is a prime example of a "backhanded compliment," Stealth, but a compliment none the less. 

I'll admit that 9 completions out of 24 attempts does not look like much on paper but you got to admit, those 9 were quality.   Two of Danny's biggest strengths is that he is always a threat to hurt you with his legs and he makes very few errors in a game. Micheli's numbers were much better in both passing and running but Jones only fumbled once, (Micheli-2)  threw no interceptions, (Micheli-1) and scored two TD's, (Micheli-0.)  I know whose performance I'd take that day! 

[Pat Coleman]

All I was trying to do was tell the Mount Union folks that Danny Jones was better than he looked in the Stagg Bowl. Sheesh.

Rather than that, and all the vague talk of this sudden tradition, how about someone be specific about Whitewater after Justin Beaver? Because until it's done for a season without him, there's no guarantee that it's a tradition.

That's the question that we're all waiting to see answered on the field. No amount of talk is going to answer it. For all the linemen you've replaced on both sides of the ball and the great linebackers, it's been one running back. I saw UWW without Beaver at Mary Hardin-Baylor and it wasn't exactly inspirational offense.

[Sakman 1111]

Obviously replacing Beaver will be difficult but so was replacing Chad Wurth and Colin Burns.....rumor has it there might be a very talented transfer on the horizon but you never know that for sure until August in D3. Looking past transfers remember the name--- Level Coppage because he is an exceptional running back and incoming freshman......

[Barber Greene]

Pat,

The UWW offense wasn't very inspirational against UMHB last year even with Beaver. He had 60 and 77 yards respectively in the two games.

The defense won those games.

[Barber Greene]

Obviously replacing Beaver will be difficult but so was replacing Chad Wurth and Colin Burns.....rumor has it there might be a very talented transfer on the horizon but you never know that for sure until August in D3. Looking past transfers remember the name--- Level Coppage because he is an exceptional running back and incoming freshman......

Here is some info on Coppage

http://www.pioneerlocal.com/oakpark/sports/highschools/1010722,op-coppage-061808-s1.article
http://yourseason.suntimes.com/recruiting/972496,052708coppage.article

[Pat Coleman]

Obviously replacing Beaver will be difficult but so was replacing Chad Wurth and Colin Burns.....rumor has it there might be a very talented transfer on the horizon but you never know that for sure until August in D3. Looking past transfers remember the name--- Level Coppage because he is an exceptional running back and incoming freshman......

I understand that you've had good backs before but I think everyone knows that Beaver is on a different level than even healthy Colin Burns.

A guy who got eight carries at a I-AA non-scholarship school might indeed be the answer but will have to prove himself.

Thank you for being willing to entertain a serious discussion on it, and not resorting to knee-jerk attacks.

[Sakman 1111]

I didn't realize I had resorted to knee jerk attacks in the past.....whatever they happen to be.....

[Pat Coleman]

Didn't say you in particular had, but you only have to go back about 24 hours to see Whitewater fans' knee-jerk reaction to attempt at serious discussion.

[footballfan413]

All I was trying to do was tell the Mount Union folks that Danny Jones was better than he looked in the Stagg Bowl. Sheesh.

Rather than that, and all the vague talk of this sudden tradition, how about someone be specific about Whitewater after Justin Beaver? Because until it's done for a season without him, there's no guarantee that it's a tradition.

That's the question that we're all waiting to see answered on the field. No amount of talk is going to answer it. For all the linemen you've replaced on both sides of the ball and the great linebackers, it's been one running back. I saw UWW without Beaver at Mary Hardin-Baylor and it wasn't exactly inspirational offense.

There are not enough accolades to adequately express what Justin Beaver has meant to this program's success the last few years.  He will be an extreme loss but he would be the first to tell you that even though he is a great talent, he benefited from being surrounded by great lines, QB's, WR's and defenses over his career.   Beaver missed 5 games in 06 because of the broken collarbone and while the running game against UMHB only netted 30 yds rushing, the Cru in turn only netted 49!  With a final score of 7-3, the only thing inspirational in that game was the defenses.  It was a defensive struggle of massive proportions.  The other 4 that you did not see were against UW-Plattville 49-21 where the Hawks had 182 yds rushing,  UW-Stout 49-0 with 250 yds rushing, UW-River Falls 48-16 with 310 yds rushing and the first play-off game against St. Norberts 59-17 with 169 yd rushing.  All convincing wins with healthy rushing yardage.    I completely understand everyone's doubts about the Hawk's ability to sustain the level of success they have had the last three years because of the loss of the 23 seniors and we may see a downturn in success but if they fall very far, it will hardly be because of the loss of one player.  

[footballfan413]

We''ll see how that goes.  I usually make it a rule to not engage Pat in any one-on-one discussions being a guest in his house and considering the definite imbalance of power that exists but............... I must be feeling bold today!   

[WestCoast Coach]

Obviously replacing Beaver will be difficult but so was replacing Chad Wurth and Colin Burns.....rumor has it there might be a very talented transfer on the horizon but you never know that for sure until August in D3. Looking past transfers remember the name--- Level Coppage because he is an exceptional running back and incoming freshman......

I understand that you've had good backs before but I think everyone knows that Beaver is on a different level than even healthy Colin Burns.

A guy who got eight carries at a I-AA non-scholarship school might indeed be the answer but will have to prove himself.

Thank you for being willing to entertain a serious discussion on it, and not resorting to knee-jerk attacks.

I told you guys awhile back that a transfer was coming in. Don't let those number of carries at a non-scholarship 1-AA university fool you. He was in a rough and unfair situation while at that university. I know for a fact that he had scholarships from four SEC schools and a number of Big Ten schools out of HS. He is a talent who will be a great addition to your program. I have been coaching for sometime now and he is one of the best that has come through our Junior College program. I am expecting great things from Wisconsin-Whitewater this upcoming season.