FB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[coco]

I agree with him too

Wins over UWSP, Oshkosh and UWL will bump that SOS number up pretty good.

but they'd have be better than the the johns win.   

Are you back on the bottle, DenS?

[usee]

I posted this on the OAC board but reposting here for relevance:

There are 3 possibilities to explain why UWW is ranked 4th in the West:

1.It's early and the committee knows things will change so they ranked them based on straight OWP.
2. The West Regional committee members were all travelling together and were in a car accident, suffered concussions, and they actually think there are 3 teams in the west better than UWW.
3.  Wildcat11 is West region Chair

[badgerwarhawk]

When it was first proposed I didn't like the idea of WIAC teams playing one another twice at all.  However after seeing the impact failing to schedule DIII regional teams has had on our regional ranking I can see some benefit in the proposal.  At least our league teams will have one more game that will count. 

[John Gleich]

When it was first proposed I didn't like the idea of WIAC teams playing one another twice at all.  However after seeing the impact failing to schedule DIII regional teams has had on our regional ranking I can see some benefit in the proposal.  At least our league teams will have one more game that will count. 

I just made almost the exact comment on Voice's blog.  I think there really is credence to Miech's statement that he feels like a travel agent... because those are the only games he can get.  I know that it's conference mandated for other reasons, but it will actually help to get an in-region game for each and every conference opponent.

[02 Warhawk]

When it was first proposed I didn't like the idea of WIAC teams playing one another twice at all.  However after seeing the impact failing to schedule DIII regional teams has had on our regional ranking I can see some benefit in the proposal.  At least our league teams will have one more game that will count. 

Agreed....much better than having two NAIA teams and a team that hasn't won yet as your nonconference schedule. no wonder we're fourth.

[Raider 68]

When it was first proposed I didn't like the idea of WIAC teams playing one another twice at all.  However after seeing the impact failing to schedule DIII regional teams has had on our regional ranking I can see some benefit in the proposal.  At least our league teams will have one more game that will count. 

Agreed....much better than having two NAIA teams and a team that hasn't won yet as your nonconference schedule. no wonder we're fourth.

02 Warhawk

Is the playing two games against the same team a temporary measure and what is the general consensus in the WIAC?

You're right playing teams from the NAIA does not accomplish anything!

[voice]

When it was first proposed I didn't like the idea of WIAC teams playing one another twice at all.  However after seeing the impact failing to schedule DIII regional teams has had on our regional ranking I can see some benefit in the proposal.  At least our league teams will have one more game that will count. 

Agreed....much better than having two NAIA teams and a team that hasn't won yet as your nonconference schedule. no wonder we're fourth.

02 Warhawk

Is the playing two games against the same team a temporary measure and what is the general consensus in the WIAC?

You're right playing teams from the NAIA does not accomplish anything!

They were scheduled as a last resort to fill out UWW's 10-game schedule.  La Crosse and Stevens Point were in the same boat. 
Hey Division III teams out there - how about playing us you Wienee's!! 

[02 Warhawk]

When it was first proposed I didn't like the idea of WIAC teams playing one another twice at all.  However after seeing the impact failing to schedule DIII regional teams has had on our regional ranking I can see some benefit in the proposal.  At least our league teams will have one more game that will count.  

Agreed....much better than having two NAIA teams and a team that hasn't won yet as your nonconference schedule. no wonder we're fourth.

02 Warhawk

Is the playing two games against the same team a temporary measure and what is the general consensus in the WIAC?

You're right playing teams from the NAIA does not accomplish anything!

From what i've read, coaches are less than thrilled about playing WIAC teams as nonconference games. I think the same consensus is reached on this board, nobody seems to love the new schedule adjustment. I would much rather see the WIAC matchup against other DIII teams across the land.

As far as being temporary or not, I think the WIAC has yet to determine that.

[Raider 68]

When it was first proposed I didn't like the idea of WIAC teams playing one another twice at all.  However after seeing the impact failing to schedule DIII regional teams has had on our regional ranking I can see some benefit in the proposal.  At least our league teams will have one more game that will count. 

Agreed....much better than having two NAIA teams and a team that hasn't won yet as your nonconference schedule. no wonder we're fourth.

02 Warhawk

Is the playing two games against the same team a temporary measure and what is the general consensus in the WIAC?

You're right playing teams from the NAIA does not accomplish anything!

From what i've read, coaches are less than thrilled about playing WIAC teams as nonconference games. I think the same consensus is reached on this board, nobody seems to love the new schedule adjustment. I would much rather see the WIAC matchup against other DIII teams across the land.

As far as being temporary or not, I think the WIAC has yet to determine that.

02 Warhawk,

I like the idea that Mount is playing another WIAC team (Osh) for 2010-11. It will make  it twice that Mount has scheduled  an WIAC team, the other of course being UWW in the early part of this decade.

The difference is many other D3 programs will not play either Mount
or UWW, but these teams will play against each other in the two best conferences.

One would think that the way to elevate your program is to play against the best teams in the country.

[bleedpurple]

Someone (Pat?), please help me out with this. I have a 2 questions that sound cynical, but I am serious.

Who is on the NCAA Committee that determines the Regional Rankings?
Why does the committee exist?

Anyone who know ANYTHING about D3 football knows  UWW being ranked fourth in the West is absurd.  I have read comments on d3boards like,

"The committee has a really hard job."

If it all comes down to some mathematical formula based on strength of schedule, what is the purpose of a committee?

If the committee is charged with exercising any level of judgement, then they clearly didn't exercise it.

I am not real big on wasting time in meetings (and I am as biased as they come). If I were on the committee, I would have said, "Mount Union is a ONE. UWW is a ONE. Who are the other candidates to be ONES?", and then taken the conversation from there.

I guess my questions can be boiled down to one:

To what degree is the committee's judgement hamstrung by firm regulations as opposed to guidelines?

[02 Warhawk]

When it was first proposed I didn't like the idea of WIAC teams playing one another twice at all.  However after seeing the impact failing to schedule DIII regional teams has had on our regional ranking I can see some benefit in the proposal.  At least our league teams will have one more game that will count. 

Agreed....much better than having two NAIA teams and a team that hasn't won yet as your nonconference schedule. no wonder we're fourth.

02 Warhawk

Is the playing two games against the same team a temporary measure and what is the general consensus in the WIAC?

You're right playing teams from the NAIA does not accomplish anything!

From what i've read, coaches are less than thrilled about playing WIAC teams as nonconference games. I think the same consensus is reached on this board, nobody seems to love the new schedule adjustment. I would much rather see the WIAC matchup against other DIII teams across the land.

As far as being temporary or not, I think the WIAC has yet to determine that.

02 Warhawk,

I like the idea that Mount is playing another WIAC team (Osh) for 2010-11. It will make  it twice that Mount has scheduled  an WIAC team, the other of course being UWW in the early part of this decade.

The difference is many other D3 programs will not play either Mount
or UWW, but these teams will play against each other in the two best conferences.

One would think that the way to elevate your program is to play against the best teams in the country.

that will cost money the WIAC is trying to save

[Mr. Ypsi]

Someone (Pat?), please help me out with this. I have a 2 questions that sound cynical, but I am serious.

Who is on the NCAA Committee that determines the Regional Rankings?
Why does the committee exist?

Anyone who know ANYTHING about D3 football knows  UWW being ranked fourth in the West is absurd.  I have read comments on d3boards like,

"The committee has a really hard job."

If it all comes down to some mathematical formula based on strength of schedule, what is the purpose of a committee?

If the committee is charged with exercising any level of judgement, then they clearly didn't exercise it.

I am not real big on wasting time in meetings (and I am as biased as they come). If I were on the committee, I would have said, "Mount Union is a ONE. UWW is a ONE. Who are the other candidates to be ONES?", and then taken the conversation from there.

I guess my questions can be boiled down to one:

To what degree is the committee's judgement hamstrung by firm regulations as opposed to guidelines?

These were the regional committees, not the national committee.  They determine only the (for now) one region #1.

I strongly suspect that they realized that there are still more rankings to come, and went solely by SOS this time.  With the differences in SOS on upcoming opponents, you may rest assured that UWW will ultimately (even if only on the final rankings we never see) be #1 in the West.  (And, due to the loss by Wheaton, probably #1 in the 'North'.)

[The membership of the committee(s) has been posted on several boards - one of them is the 'Pool C' thread on 'General Football'.]

[BoBo]

Someone (Pat?), please help me out with this. I have a 2 questions that sound cynical, but I am serious.

Who is on the NCAA Committee that determines the Regional Rankings?
Why does the committee exist?

Anyone who know ANYTHING about D3 football knows  UWW being ranked fourth in the West is absurd.  I have read comments on d3boards like,

"The committee has a really hard job."

If it all comes down to some mathematical formula based on strength of schedule, what is the purpose of a committee?

If the committee is charged with exercising any level of judgement, then they clearly didn't exercise it.

I am not real big on wasting time in meetings (and I am as biased as they come). If I were on the committee, I would have said, "Mount Union is a ONE. UWW is a ONE. Who are the other candidates to be ONES?", and then taken the conversation from there.

I guess my questions can be boiled down to one:

To what degree is the committee's judgement hamstrung by firm regulations as opposed to guidelines?

These were the regional committees, not the national committee.  They determine only the (for now) one region #1.

I strongly suspect that they realized that there are still more rankings to come, and went solely by SOS this time.  With the differences in SOS on upcoming opponents, you may rest assured that UWW will ultimately (even if only on the final rankings we never see) be #1 in the West.  (And, due to the loss by Wheaton, probably #1 in the 'North'.)

[The membership of the committee(s) has been posted on several boards - one of them is the 'Pool C' thread on 'General Football'.]

BP, the West Evaluation Region:

Chad Eisele, Knox College, co-chair
Mike Maynard, University of Redlands, co-chair
Andy Ankeny, University of La Verne
Glenn Caruso, University of St. Thomas (Minnesota)
Mike Durnin, Luther College
Chris Howard, Lawrence University
Duey Naatz, University of Wisconsin-Stout
Bob Owens, Chapman University
Joe Smith, Linfield College

Comments?

Well, since BoBo is boarding a plane for a business trip to China and later Cambodia in 4 hours, I believe it's time to wish all the good guys good luck this weekend and next.  Hope to return after next weeks game with 2 more wins in the pocket and La Crosse week on deck.  Stay safe and stay healthy to everyone!!

[bleedpurple]

Someone (Pat?), please help me out with this. I have a 2 questions that sound cynical, but I am serious.

Who is on the NCAA Committee that determines the Regional Rankings?
Why does the committee exist?

Anyone who know ANYTHING about D3 football knows  UWW being ranked fourth in the West is absurd.  I have read comments on d3boards like,

"The committee has a really hard job."

If it all comes down to some mathematical formula based on strength of schedule, what is the purpose of a committee?

If the committee is charged with exercising any level of judgement, then they clearly didn't exercise it.

I am not real big on wasting time in meetings (and I am as biased as they come). If I were on the committee, I would have said, "Mount Union is a ONE. UWW is a ONE. Who are the other candidates to be ONES?", and then taken the conversation from there.

I guess my questions can be boiled down to one:

To what degree is the committee's judgement hamstrung by firm regulations as opposed to guidelines?

These were the regional committees, not the national committee.  They determine only the (for now) one region #1.

I strongly suspect that they realized that there are still more rankings to come, and went solely by SOS this time.  With the differences in SOS on upcoming opponents, you may rest assured that UWW will ultimately (even if only on the final rankings we never see) be #1 in the West.  (And, due to the loss by Wheaton, probably #1 in the 'North'.)

[The membership of the committee(s) has been posted on several boards - one of them is the 'Pool C' thread on 'General Football'.]

BP, the West Evaluation Region:

Chad Eisele, Knox College, co-chair
Mike Maynard, University of Redlands, co-chair
Andy Ankeny, University of La Verne
Glenn Caruso, University of St. Thomas (Minnesota)
Mike Durnin, Luther College
Chris Howard, Lawrence University
Duey Naatz, University of Wisconsin-Stout
Bob Owens, Chapman University
Joe Smith, Linfield College

Comments?

Well, since BoBo is boarding a plane for a business trip to China and later Cambodia in 4 hours, I believe it's time to wish all the good guys good luck this weekend and next.  Hope to return after next weeks game with 2 more wins in the pocket and La Crosse week on deck.  Stay safe and stay healthy to everyone!!

Only two comments:

#1: Joe Smith must have great influence on the committee.
#2: Safe Travels, BoBo!

[bleedpurple]

Someone (Pat?), please help me out with this. I have a 2 questions that sound cynical, but I am serious.

Who is on the NCAA Committee that determines the Regional Rankings?
Why does the committee exist?

Anyone who know ANYTHING about D3 football knows  UWW being ranked fourth in the West is absurd.  I have read comments on d3boards like,

"The committee has a really hard job."

If it all comes down to some mathematical formula based on strength of schedule, what is the purpose of a committee?

If the committee is charged with exercising any level of judgement, then they clearly didn't exercise it.

I am not real big on wasting time in meetings (and I am as biased as they come). If I were on the committee, I would have said, "Mount Union is a ONE. UWW is a ONE. Who are the other candidates to be ONES?", and then taken the conversation from there.

I guess my questions can be boiled down to one:

To what degree is the committee's judgement hamstrung by firm regulations as opposed to guidelines?

These were the regional committees, not the national committee.  They determine only the (for now) one region #1.

I strongly suspect that they realized that there are still more rankings to come, and went solely by SOS this time.  With the differences in SOS on upcoming opponents, you may rest assured that UWW will ultimately (even if only on the final rankings we never see) be #1 in the West.  (And, due to the loss by Wheaton, probably #1 in the 'North'.)

[The membership of the committee(s) has been posted on several boards - one of them is the 'Pool C' thread on 'General Football'.]

Thanks, for clearing the committee issue up for me, Y!  It sounds like they do have judgement then. Any idea the purpose of the committee and the rankings this early? Are they trying to generate fan interest? I guess I'm searching for the relevance of these rankings. If you are right, there really isn't much.