FB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[02 Warhawk]

UWW's running back situation....a little dinged up

[Kira & Jaxon's Dad]

Congrats to this week's WIAC Players of the Week

Offense: Lee Vlasek (Platteville)  5 touchdowns to tie a school record after being moved to a new position is impressive.
Defense: Curtis Krump (Stevens Point) 15 tackles an interception and forced fumble
Special Teams: Kris Rosholt (WHITEWATER)  two 50 yard punts downed at the one yard line.

It's interesting to note that the WARHAWKS have the leading offense and defense in the league yet haven't had a player selected as the offensive or defensive player of the week.  It's all about team.

I believe I've read on the OAC board that's one of the reasons why Mount doesn't even bother to nominate anyone for their awards. And maybe even the D3Football team of the week, too.

Speaking of the team of the week, Rosholt and Vlasek were part of that award, as well.

True.  Coach Kehres doesn't believe in individual recognition during the season.  Wants the team to focus on winning and Team Goals.  Thus, UMU doesn't nominate individual players for in-season awards.  Not because they don't play into the second half very often. 

[voice]

WIAC INSIDE THE NUMBERS: WEEK 6

www.uwwfootball.blogspot.com

Bleed

As one fan/parent, I want to thank you and voice for all you do to help make it easy to be a somewhat knowledgeable fan.  The time you spend does not go un-noticed and you guys are fantastic!  

WarhawkDad

Warhawk Dad,

Thanks for the props, they are very much appreciated.  
I also enjoy reading bleedpurple's posts.  I have to admit, his posts really help me in my game broadcast preparation.
As I indicated to you in the press box last Saturday - a big thanks!!!

[02 Warhawk]

anyone know what year UWW (or the WIAC schools in general) made the transition from NAIA to DIII? and was this the same NAIA as we know it know today? b/c i can't see UWW offering up scholarships to athletes 40 something years ago....but maybe i'm wrong.

[bleedpurple]

anyone know what year UWW (or the WIAC schools in general) made the transition from NAIA to DIII? and was this the same NAIA as we know it know today? b/c i can't see UWW offering up scholarships to athletes 40 something years ago....but maybe i'm wrong.

I don't know the year UW-W made the switch. I do know UW-W did not offer scholarships 40 years ago. Many other NAIA schools did. It wasn't the most level of playing fields.

[BoBo]

anyone know what year UWW (or the WIAC schools in general) made the transition from NAIA to DIII? and was this the same NAIA as we know it know today? b/c i can't see UWW offering up scholarships to athletes 40 something years ago....but maybe i'm wrong.

This will be a little long winded, so apologize for that, but hang with me:

For part of the late 1980's, some schools were playing NAIA, some NCAA. I think about 1991 all the schools were transitioned in the NCAA. For example, as late as 1990, Whitewater was in the NCAA playoffs (undefeated regular season, lost to St.Thomas 24-23 in NCAA first round; La Crosse 1 loss (to UWW) in regular season were in NAIA playoffs - lost to Peru State 24-3 first round - those South Americans were tough  ). By 1991 and the following teams were only entered into the NCAA playoffs. In 1989, UWL (conference champ)  beat Stevens Point (2nd place) in first round NAIA II - UWL lost to Westmininster (PA) in championship. In 1988, Whitewater (conference champ) was again in the NCAA playoffs (1-1) and La Crosse (2nd place) was in NAIA II (finished 2nd to Westminster (PA). In 1986, UWL was in NCAA playoffs. 1985 La Crosse won NAIA II at Pacific Lutheran. 1983, La Crosse was in NCAA.

Now, there was also NAIA I and NAIA II. NAIA I allowed scholarships (although Wisconsin schools didn't due to the charter that created the merger with UW-Madison forming the UW system). NAIA II was non-scholarship. La Crosse was in the NAIA I playoffs in 1973 (lost to Elon (NC) in first round; it wasn't until 1978 that another Wisconsin school (La Crosse) was in the NAIA I playoffs. The then Indians lost to Grand Valley State in the first round. The next year and the years following, the Wisconsin schools were in NAIA II - River Falls was in and lost to San Angelo State in first round (31-7). I believe the NAIA II was created for NAIA schools who did not offer scholarships, like the Wisconsin schools.

Bottom line - prior to 1980 NAIA I ; 1980-1990 NAIA II and NCAA III ; 1991 & the following NCAA III.

[fballfan]

UWP/UWEC game on FSN now, if anyone is interested.

[02 Warhawk]

anyone know what year UWW (or the WIAC schools in general) made the transition from NAIA to DIII? and was this the same NAIA as we know it know today? b/c i can't see UWW offering up scholarships to athletes 40 something years ago....but maybe i'm wrong.

This will be a little long winded, so apologize for that, but hang with me:

For part of the late 1980's, some schools were playing NAIA, some NCAA. I think about 1991 all the schools were transitioned in the NCAA. For example, as late as 1990, Whitewater was in the NCAA playoffs (undefeated regular season, lost to St.Thomas 24-23 in NCAA first round; La Crosse 1 loss (to UWW) in regular season were in NAIA playoffs - lost to Peru State 24-3 first round - those South Americans were tough  ). By 1991 and the following teams were only entered into the NCAA playoffs. In 1989, UWL (conference champ)  beat Stevens Point (2nd place) in first round NAIA II - UWL lost to Westmininster (PA) in championship. In 1988, Whitewater (conference champ) was again in the NCAA playoffs (1-1) and La Crosse (2nd place) was in NAIA II (finished 2nd to Westminster (PA). In 1986, UWL was in NCAA playoffs. 1985 La Crosse won NAIA II at Pacific Lutheran. 1983, La Crosse was in NCAA.

Now, there was also NAIA I and NAIA II. NAIA I allowed scholarships (although Wisconsin schools didn't due to the charter that created the merger with UW-Madison forming the UW system). NAIA II was non-scholarship. La Crosse was in the NAIA I playoffs in 1973 (lost to Elon (NC) in first round; it wasn't until 1978 that another Wisconsin school (La Crosse) was in the NAIA I playoffs. The then Indians lost to Grand Valley State in the first round. The next year and the years following, the Wisconsin schools were in NAIA II - River Falls was in and lost to San Angelo State in first round (31-7). I believe the NAIA II was created for NAIA schools who did not offer scholarships, like the Wisconsin schools.

Bottom line - prior to 1980 NAIA I ; 1980-1990 NAIA II and NCAA III ; 1991 & the following NCAA III.

That explained everything perfectly... I don't care what the posters over at the OAC board say about you, you're alright  

+K

But one thing doesn't make sense...how was UWL able to participate in the NCAA playoffs and then the NAIA playoffs from year to year? did they switch affiliations a lot in the 80s, before finally settling into the NCAA in the early 90s? Seems like bounced back and forth between the NAIA and the NCAA in the 80s, is that correct?

[Pat Coleman]

Other schools had dual membership in that era -- St. John's and Illinois Wesleyan among them.

About NAIA-II -- I don't believe NAIA Division II was entirely non-scholarship by design. However, schools wanting to play non-scholarship would play in NAIA-II, I suspect.

[BoBo]

Pat is right, a lot of schools had dual membership during the 1980's. I don't remember if they had to declare before the season which direction they would go at playoff time, or they could simply wait for a bid at the end and pick the one they preferred.

Interestingly in that '88 season, UW-W may have made a mistake, if they had a choice of where to go. They won the conference, went to the DIII playoffs, beat I think Simpson by 2 in a game in the 20's, then lost to Central by 3 in a rather defensive game; Central went on to lose to Ithaca in the championship game in Alabama; La Crosse finished 2nd in conference & advanced to the NAIA II championship, only to lose to Westminster.  UW-W and La Crosse both lost to River Falls that year, but the Falcons lost to Oshkosh and Stevens Point. UW-W beat La Crosse to win the conference title outright; La Crosse was selected to go to the NAIA playoffs. Not sure if River Falls had dual citizenship then or not. But since they both finished 6-2 and RF beat UWL, I would think they would've been the first choice. So, maybe they were only DIII at that time.

[WarhawkDad]

anyone know what year UWW (or the WIAC schools in general) made the transition from NAIA to DIII? and was this the same NAIA as we know it know today? b/c i can't see UWW offering up scholarships to athletes 40 something years ago....but maybe i'm wrong.

This will be a little long winded, so apologize for that, but hang with me:

For part of the late 1980's, some schools were playing NAIA, some NCAA. I think about 1991 all the schools were transitioned in the NCAA. For example, as late as 1990, Whitewater was in the NCAA playoffs (undefeated regular season, lost to St.Thomas 24-23 in NCAA first round; La Crosse 1 loss (to UWW) in regular season were in NAIA playoffs - lost to Peru State 24-3 first round - those South Americans were tough  ). By 1991 and the following teams were only entered into the NCAA playoffs. In 1989, UWL (conference champ)  beat Stevens Point (2nd place) in first round NAIA II - UWL lost to Westmininster (PA) in championship. In 1988, Whitewater (conference champ) was again in the NCAA playoffs (1-1) and La Crosse (2nd place) was in NAIA II (finished 2nd to Westminster (PA). In 1986, UWL was in NCAA playoffs. 1985 La Crosse won NAIA II at Pacific Lutheran. 1983, La Crosse was in NCAA.

Now, there was also NAIA I and NAIA II. NAIA I allowed scholarships (although Wisconsin schools didn't due to the charter that created the merger with UW-Madison forming the UW system). NAIA II was non-scholarship. La Crosse was in the NAIA I playoffs in 1973 (lost to Elon (NC) in first round; it wasn't until 1978 that another Wisconsin school (La Crosse) was in the NAIA I playoffs. The then Indians lost to Grand Valley State in the first round. The next year and the years following, the Wisconsin schools were in NAIA II - River Falls was in and lost to San Angelo State in first round (31-7). I believe the NAIA II was created for NAIA schools who did not offer scholarships, like the Wisconsin schools.

Bottom line - prior to 1980 NAIA I ; 1980-1990 NAIA II and NCAA III ; 1991 & the following NCAA III.

Is that charter an obstacle if for some reason the NCAA or Whitewater wanted to move UWW to DII?

From time to time I hear that rumor....I am guessing it is from mis-informed fans.  I do have to wonder with the size of the school, success, etc.... if that would ever be a possibility.  I am sure it has been discussed here before my time.

[BoBo]

anyone know what year UWW (or the WIAC schools in general) made the transition from NAIA to DIII? and was this the same NAIA as we know it know today? b/c i can't see UWW offering up scholarships to athletes 40 something years ago....but maybe i'm wrong.

This will be a little long winded, so apologize for that, but hang with me:

For part of the late 1980's, some schools were playing NAIA, some NCAA. I think about 1991 all the schools were transitioned in the NCAA. For example, as late as 1990, Whitewater was in the NCAA playoffs (undefeated regular season, lost to St.Thomas 24-23 in NCAA first round; La Crosse 1 loss (to UWW) in regular season were in NAIA playoffs - lost to Peru State 24-3 first round - those South Americans were tough  ). By 1991 and the following teams were only entered into the NCAA playoffs. In 1989, UWL (conference champ)  beat Stevens Point (2nd place) in first round NAIA II - UWL lost to Westmininster (PA) in championship. In 1988, Whitewater (conference champ) was again in the NCAA playoffs (1-1) and La Crosse (2nd place) was in NAIA II (finished 2nd to Westminster (PA). In 1986, UWL was in NCAA playoffs. 1985 La Crosse won NAIA II at Pacific Lutheran. 1983, La Crosse was in NCAA.

Now, there was also NAIA I and NAIA II. NAIA I allowed scholarships (although Wisconsin schools didn't due to the charter that created the merger with UW-Madison forming the UW system). NAIA II was non-scholarship. La Crosse was in the NAIA I playoffs in 1973 (lost to Elon (NC) in first round; it wasn't until 1978 that another Wisconsin school (La Crosse) was in the NAIA I playoffs. The then Indians lost to Grand Valley State in the first round. The next year and the years following, the Wisconsin schools were in NAIA II - River Falls was in and lost to San Angelo State in first round (31-7). I believe the NAIA II was created for NAIA schools who did not offer scholarships, like the Wisconsin schools.

Bottom line - prior to 1980 NAIA I ; 1980-1990 NAIA II and NCAA III ; 1991 & the following NCAA III.

Is that charter an obstacle if for some reason the NCAA or Whitewater wanted to move UWW to DII?

Funny you should ask WarhawkDad, because I was just looking at UW System webpage for the exactly information. I remember reading it a while back when there was a report out of UW-SP that their new (at that time) Chancellor was exploring whether moving up a division or something like that was feasible. At that time I remember reading that it would take an act of the Wisconsin legislature because the merger of UW-Madison with the UW schools creating the UW System came about because of a state law in-acted by the legislature. And those schools were by law, non-scholarship in nature. A short time later, there was something goofy going on up there involving the Chancellor and I never heard more about it or her. I'm going to try to find the information.

[Just Bill]

I wouldn't necessarily call it an obstacle, because the WIAC isn't interested in that road anyway, but yes, the charter would be a huge obstacle if they wanted to.  It would require politicians getting involved and everyone knows what a disaster that would be.  The charter states that only the Madison, Milwaukee, Green Bay and Parkside campuses may issue athletic scholarships.

The Wisconsin State Legislature would have to approve a change to the UW System charter and with the current financial situation in the state government and UW system, that would have as much chance to pass as would installing the gopher as the new state animal.

[BoBo]

I don't care what the posters over at the OAC board say about you, you're alright  

Psst...what are they saying?

[Just Bill]

That Chancellor at UWSP ended up getting the ax for a number of stupid decisions (exploring D-II among them). She eventually was involved in an alleged drinking and driving/leaving the scene of an accident situation. The student government at Point condemned her and eventually the Board of Regents ran her out.