FB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[02 Warhawk]

^ all due respect, but no.

NCAA is it's own entity. Yes DIII is a part of the NCAA, but the emphasis on regional games did not come from the NCAA office. It wasn't a top down decision. It was the choice of small college presidents and administrators who are a part of the NCAA. It was a bottom up decision. Make sense? I think this is a subtle but significant difference.

We can't blame 'the man' in this one. Unless you mean to imply that everytime someone on these boards complains about the NCAA they are really just complaining about the 236 member institutions of DIII.

not sure that is entirely true. I attempted to e-mail the 8 members of the committee trying to get some feedback on their decisions, and the only thing I received back was "your concerns will be forwarded to the NCAA liaison for response."

So i'm not sure what he ment by "NCAA liaison". Was he refering to the committee itself, or a different NCAA group all together?

I was referring to your comment about the emphasis on 'regional games' and regions in general. The regional committees and NCAA national committee are definitely responsible for the decisions made by these entities each year.

But the reason that they function like they do for the playoffs is because of decisions made by DIII member institutions, so in that sense, the buck does stop with us. So blame the NCAA national selection committee for this years decisions, but blame all of us for the fact they place such an emphasis on regional criteria. Now, Sos might be a whole nother deal 

ok i see.

you were talking with Bobo about this..... not me.

[footballfan413]

Just listened to Dr. Solomon's explanation of the brackets.  She said that in deciding between NCC and UWW, there were no, "in-region head to head games," or,"results against common opponents, " to use so the numbers favored NCC.  Well, she was half right.  Maybe someone should have provided them with their schedules.   You want to lay it all on the numbers, make sure you use all the data!!!!  Ok, I am over it.  Time to focus on Franklin.  
  Disclaimer NCC fans;  I am not dissing NCC as much as the committee's decision that UWW was not one of the top 4 best teams   and the North being ranked #4 overall.

[HScoach]

^ OK.  5 minutes is plenty of focusing on Franklin.  Now go start looking at Trine film.  

[HScoach]

Good.  Trine's done.  Now time for North Central or ONU.

[BoBo]

^ all due respect, but no.

NCAA is it's own entity. Yes DIII is a part of the NCAA, but the emphasis on regional games did not come from the NCAA office. It wasn't a top down decision. It was the choice of small college presidents and administrators who are a part of the NCAA. It was a bottom up decision. Make sense? I think this is a subtle but significant difference.

We can't blame 'the man' in this one. Unless you mean to imply that everytime someone on these boards complains about the NCAA they are really just complaining about the 236 member institutions of DIII.

all due respect, but yes...we said the exactly same thing (it was bottom up decision) just written a different way. Read my response again.

[retagent]

Thanks. I +k'd the responders due to the reasoned answers. I still don't know if it's really possible to rate conferences in any given year since so few non-conference games are played, and a lot of those are with mismatched teams. Over longer periods, you can get a pretty good idea, but  I've seen the ratings have conferences with much better non-con records rated below those with inferior records. It's good fodder for discussion though.

I'm hoping to make it to the UWW/Franklin tilt. I will wear my ear plugs since I expect a great deal of cannon fire.  UWW 45 - Franklin 10.

[BoBo]

I have no misconceptions about how difficult it must be for UWW and MU to find DIII partners who are willing to start off their seasons with a highly probable loss.  

Apparently not too hard for UMU since they don't need a NC opponent until '14 (Oshkosh next year, Franklin in '12 and '13 already signed).

[GRIZ_BACKER]

^ OK.  5 minutes is plenty of focusing on Franklin.  Now go start looking at Trine film.  

Otterbein. NCC 2008

[Mr. Ypsi]

^ OK.  5 minutes is plenty of focusing on Franklin.  Now go start looking at Trine film.  

Otterbein. NCC 2008

Wheaton. 2008   But point noted.

[HScoach]

Whitewater is no Otterbein.

[HScoach]

For the regulars, as well as any newbees interested, please join us for the 2010 OAC Playoff Pick-Ems contest.  

Spreads for all 16 games have been posted in the OAC Pick-Em page.



WARNING:  Franklin fans might want to shield their eyes.......

[WarhawkDad]

Decided to import HS Coach OAC Pick-em so we can all see it here without jumping between pages.

Spreads for Round 1:

SOUTH REGION:
#8 Muhlenberg (+38.5) at #1 Wesley
#5 Montclair State at #4 Hampden-Sydney (+6.5)
#6 Washington & Lee (+11.5) at #3 Thomas More
#7 Christopher Newport (+39.5) at #2 Mary Hardin Baylor

NORTH REGION
#8 St. Norbert (39.5+) at #1 North Central
#5 Wittenberg (+13.5) at #4 Ohio Northern
#6 Trine at #3 DePauw (+7.5)
#7 Franklin (+41.5) at #2 Whitewater

EAST REGION
#8 St. Lawrence (+63.5) at #1 Mount Union
#5 Salisbury (+8.5) at #4 Delaware Valley
#3 SUNY-Maritime (+6.5) at #6 Alfred
#7 Endicott (+30.5) at #2 Cortland State

WEST REGION
#8 Benedictine (+40.5) at #1 St. Thomas
#4 Cal Lutheran (+8.5) at #5 Linfield
#6 Bethel at #3 Wartburg (+2.5)
#7 Coe (+15.5) at #2 Wheaton

[BoBo]

WIAC pickem has the games listed for for our contest...if interested check it out.

[emma17]

First time poster to this site- it may be a protocol violation but I want to repeat a portion of something I wrote on the Daily Dose.
As a UWW fan, I'm more upset about the university/community losing out on the potential opportunity to host two playoff games this year. I believe the team will take care of its business wherever it has to go, but the university, the town and the fans also have a vested interest in home games. 

The inconsistent application of "subjectivity" is what causes eyebrows to raise and people to say hmmmmm.  How about a new category to establishing seedings, "Cumulative Strength of Schedule"- a measure of your opponents victories from the prior season- this protects the time honored concept that a team is Champion (#1) until somebody knocks them off.   

HS Coach- Funny stuff- I love to read your posts but I sure wish you wouldn't put such a spread on the Franklin game. 

Comment on the West- No disrespect to St. Thomas, but I'm thinking Linfield and I believe Wheaton is a bit over appreciated.

[bleedpurple]

Just listened to Dr. Solomon's explanation of the brackets.  She said that in deciding between NCC and UWW, there were no, "in-region head to head games," or,"results against common opponents, " to use so the numbers favored NCC.  Well, she was half right.  Maybe someone should have provided them with their schedules.   You want to lay it all on the numbers, make sure you use all the data!!!!  Ok, I am over it.  Time to focus on Franklin.  
  Disclaimer NCC fans;  I am not dissing NCC as much as the committee's decision that UWW was not one of the top 4 best teams   and the North being ranked #4 overall.

That's beautiful. Just heard it myself.  I'm wondering if NCC has any live video feeds for their games? I don't need one. If both teams advance, I'll be going to Naperville. But I WOULD like to send a link to the Selection Committee