FB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[emma17]

Hey Skunks, you're nuts!

[Pat Coleman]

Actually...after watching Bethel's offense today, I would say the WEST (minus UWW) was AS weak if not weaker.  Were they balanced?  Maybe...but that was a balance of "ok" football teams.  I read where some of you UWW people saying how tough Linfield was this year, and you were thinking they could win the West.  Hmm.....not so much.  St. Thomas the #1 seed....hmm....if you can't beat that one-dimensional team that is Bethel then you really weren't a true #1 seed. 

I really think the EAST teams Mount played this year (not including St. Lawrence) would be very even with the WEST bracket this year.  I am not bad-mouthing anyone, but having watched the "best of the West", there is no difference. 

Definitely saw the last of the West bracket, anyway. Bethel was No. 14 for a reason. They did beat one significantly higher ranked team to get to Alliance and that was to earn a series split.

[skunks_sidekick]

Actually...after watching Bethel's offense today, I would say the WEST (minus UWW) was AS weak if not weaker.  Were they balanced?  Maybe...but that was a balance of "ok" football teams.  I read where some of you UWW people saying how tough Linfield was this year, and you were thinking they could win the West.  Hmm.....not so much.  St. Thomas the #1 seed....hmm....if you can't beat that one-dimensional team that is Bethel then you really weren't a true #1 seed. 

I really think the EAST teams Mount played this year (not including St. Lawrence) would be very even with the WEST bracket this year.  I am not bad-mouthing anyone, but having watched the "best of the West", there is no difference. 

Definitely saw the last of the West bracket, anyway. Bethel was No. 14 for a reason. They did beat one significantly higher ranked team to get to Alliance and that was to earn a series split.

Which actually emphasizes my point.  It would be fair to say that Bethel and St. Thomas were very even, no?  Well......Mount played that team today. 

[Barber Greene]

Official attendance was 1189, ouch!....maybe 200-300 Warhawk fans? There was some talk on this board that the fans along the fence were not counted in the official attendance.

http://uwwsports.com/custompages/football/2010/wesfb13.htm

[Pat Coleman]

Actually...after watching Bethel's offense today, I would say the WEST (minus UWW) was AS weak if not weaker.  Were they balanced?  Maybe...but that was a balance of "ok" football teams.  I read where some of you UWW people saying how tough Linfield was this year, and you were thinking they could win the West.  Hmm.....not so much.  St. Thomas the #1 seed....hmm....if you can't beat that one-dimensional team that is Bethel then you really weren't a true #1 seed. 

I really think the EAST teams Mount played this year (not including St. Lawrence) would be very even with the WEST bracket this year.  I am not bad-mouthing anyone, but having watched the "best of the West", there is no difference. 

Definitely saw the last of the West bracket, anyway. Bethel was No. 14 for a reason. They did beat one significantly higher ranked team to get to Alliance and that was to earn a series split.

Which actually emphasizes my point.  It would be fair to say that Bethel and St. Thomas were very even, no?  Well......Mount played that team today. 

Even but not the same.

[BoBo]

Wenger or Mayes?

NCC or Trine or Wesley?

Why does this announcer keep saying "...trying to keep Wesley in the game..."  They're out of it, thank you!!

Because that's what a neutral broadcaster does. Sorry if you're used to something less neutral.

The expression was turned into a cliché before my very eyes and ears. Whenever Wesley had a positive play in the second half, it was said again. Thankfully, in retrospect, that didn't happen all that often.  

Since I'm a natural complainer, and I didn't have much to complain about, I suppose I amplified it more than I should. I'm glad they were there providing the coverage and appreciate their efforts. I will definitely  miss it next week since ESPN is not available over here.

[usee]

Actually...after watching Bethel's offense today, I would say the WEST (minus UWW) was AS weak if not weaker.  Were they balanced?  Maybe...but that was a balance of "ok" football teams.  I read where some of you UWW people saying how tough Linfield was this year, and you were thinking they could win the West.  Hmm.....not so much.  St. Thomas the #1 seed....hmm....if you can't beat that one-dimensional team that is Bethel then you really weren't a true #1 seed. 

I really think the EAST teams Mount played this year (not including St. Lawrence) would be very even with the WEST bracket this year.  I am not bad-mouthing anyone, but having watched the "best of the West", there is no difference. 

Says the guy who roots for a team with Cecil Shorts. The difference between the west teams and UMU is Cecil Shorts. IF UMU doesn't have him that is a MUCH closer game with Bethel. Speed kills.

[HScoach]

Actually...after watching Bethel's offense today, I would say the WEST (minus UWW) was AS weak if not weaker.  Were they balanced?  Maybe...but that was a balance of "ok" football teams.  I read where some of you UWW people saying how tough Linfield was this year, and you were thinking they could win the West.  Hmm.....not so much.  St. Thomas the #1 seed....hmm....if you can't beat that one-dimensional team that is Bethel then you really weren't a true #1 seed. 

I really think the EAST teams Mount played this year (not including St. Lawrence) would be very even with the WEST bracket this year.  I am not bad-mouthing anyone, but having watched the "best of the West", there is no difference. 

Says the guy who roots for a team with Cecil Shorts. The difference between the west teams and UMU is Cecil Shorts. IF UMU doesn't have him that is a MUCH closer game with Bethel. Speed kills.

No offense Usee, but I think you're off base here. 

You're right that Shorts is a game changer, but without CS the final score is probably 27-7 instead of 34-14.  If Mount doesn't open us such a big lead, they probably don't pull the starting D and give up a garbage time RD.  Bethel couldn't cover any of Mount's receivers.  So even if Mount doesn't have CS, they still have 2 very good wide receivers and a 6-6 TE that's nearly impossible to cover. 

Two possessions before Piloto hit Cecil for the 80 yard bomb, he had Junior Collins running free down the sideline and just over threw him by inches or it would have been a 70+ yard TD as Collins had a good 2 or 3 steps on the CB.  There were numerous plays were Piloto could have thrown to any of the 5 guys running routes because they were all open.  Not having Cecil would kill Mount next week against UWW, but it wouldn't have mattered today.  Mount as an entire team was much faster than Bethel.  Especially at the skill positions.

Before Mount pulled the starters, Bethel's lone scoring drive consisted of 2 yards.  Now I'll give you that it was set up by a nice defensive play, but the fact remains that Mount could have played 10 games against that offense and they'd never give up more than a TD if the offense didn't put them in multiple bad spots.  Bethel had 54 yards of offense in the first half.  113 thru 3 quarters when Mount called off the dogs and started rotating. 

While the game was still in doubt, Bethel started a drive at the Mount 32 yard line in the 2nd quarter, which should have been money for a power offense starting in 4 down territory, but the lost yardage on 3 consecutive plays and ended up punting from near the 40.  Their offense NEVER threatened to make a game of it.   

Overall, I was very disappointed with Bethel today.  I really expected a great defense with a power offense that Mount might struggle against since we're undersized and built to defend the typical OAC spread offenses from our base 4-2-5.  However a very young Mount defensive line (1 senior / 2 sophomores / 1 freshman) completely dominated the line of scrimmage.   

I was hoping Bethel was everything they were made out to be because Mount needs tested hard before facing Whitewater, but IMHO we just played another game against Del Valley, or Ohio Northern, or Baldwin Wallace.  Hopefully if doesn't cost us next week.

[usee]

Again, it's hard to judge what the speed of Shorts does to a defense and obviously Bethel's safety's were paying much more attention to Shorts after an 80 yd TD and 63 yd reception. THose are the same safeties making many of the tackles in the running game in previous games. Speed kills and while UMU has great recievers, none of them are as fast as #10. That doesn't change the fact that Bethel couldn't move the ball on offense but that's Bethel's MO. I don't think Bethel wins either way but without Shorts and a passing game that can spread the field, its a MUCH diffferent game. I would have said 17-7 or something like that.

[MasterJedi]

I'm hoping that the tests UWW has faced will help them against UMU. Either way it'll be a dogfight, UWW by 10, that seems to be the magic number. 

[BoBo]

Hey Skunks, you're nuts!

My favorite post of the day!! +k 17  

Reminds me of the single-word reply by General Anthony McAuliffe during the Battle of the Bulge in WWII to the German commander's surrender ultimatum - "Nuts!"  I love history.  

[Mr. Ypsi]

Thanks for the segue, USee!

My initial reaction (subject to revision after reflection on today's games) is that UMU is the favorite for a two word reason: Cecil Shorts.  To the extent that UWW has a 'soft spot' it would seem to be the secondary (see Ray and Watts).  And NCC proved they could be held in check until the defense finally wore down (protecting a short field too many times will eventually do that ).

Thanks to greater depth (I assume), UMU will probably not fail defensively in the 4th quarter.  And I just don't see how UWW is going to keep Shorts from doing a Garcon on you.

[HScoach]

Assuming Blanchard didn't have another week of "warmed up well and could have played if needed", the Stagg could very well be determined by which back-up QB plays the best.

Advantage here goes to UWW with Brekke having 4 playoff games under his belt whereas Piloto has only 1.

However it was a very nice performance today by a sophomore QB that had thrown a total of 17 passes the entire season.  None of which came in anything other than mop-up duty. 

[BoBo]

Thanks for the segue, USee!

My initial reaction (subject to revision after reflection on today's games) is that UMU is the favorite for a two word reason: Cecil Shorts.  To the extent that UWW has a 'soft spot' it would seem to be the secondary (see Ray and Watts).  And NCC proved they could be held in check until the defense finally wore down (protecting a short field too many times will eventually do that ).

Thanks to greater depth (I assume), UMU will probably not fail defensively in the 4th quarter.  And I just don't see how UWW is going to keep Shorts from doing a Garcon on you.

Remember what Garcon did, or didn't do in his last game against UWW?  4 catches 30 yards, zero TD's...nearly a non-factor in the Warhawks win.  It will be nice if CS pulls a Garcon like that in his final game!!  

[Mr. Ypsi]

Thanks for the segue, USee!

My initial reaction (subject to revision after reflection on today's games) is that UMU is the favorite for a two word reason: Cecil Shorts.  To the extent that UWW has a 'soft spot' it would seem to be the secondary (see Ray and Watts).  And NCC proved they could be held in check until the defense finally wore down (protecting a short field too many times will eventually do that ).

Thanks to greater depth (I assume), UMU will probably not fail defensively in the 4th quarter.  And I just don't see how UWW is going to keep Shorts from doing a Garcon on you.

Remember what Garcon did, or didn't do in his last game against UWW?  4 catches 30 yards, zero TD's...nearly a non-factor in the Warhawks win.  It will be nice if CS pulls a Garcon like that in his final game!!  

Touche'!

Obviously my mind (such as it is) was on the game before that!