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[warhawkguard]

Hello again my friends!

I've been lurking and reading for a while. Always great stuff! Much more info here than the main site regarding our local teams!

I was in the RF program one year under Farley, then finished out at UWW. I have a soft spot in my heart for the Falcons, just because. Its good to see them playing tough, I hope they can become a strong team again as they once were. The same can be said for EC and LaX, which both were down and are trying to return to their former greatness.

My buddies kid is a freshman on the UW-O squad, Brock Reichardt. Some day he'll get some PT besides JV games. I gave him a pile of grief for going there instead of WW but looks like he is in a winning program after all. Great for them!

Platteville looks better this year but Stout is falling down. Its always great when we dominate our non-conference schedule. C'mon Blue Devils! Get it together guys!

The Pointers, well....not  a fan. You must understand. The Potato Bowl scars a guy for life. So much ugliness in Point...so much.....

Keep up the great work Pat and others, Bleed Purple, love the blogs. Well written!

[02 Warhawk]

I agree with Emma, and I would even if it was my team who was dominant.  It makes WIAC much more exciting and interesting to the fans of EVERY team if there is actually a question as to who is going to win conference every year.
I know you WW fans like to win every game, every year, no exceptions but it isn't the best thing for WIAC or D3 football as a whole when one or two teams dominate every year.  It isn't much fun for everyone else and it certainly doesn't bring the fans in for WIAC overall.  I heard somewhere that attendance is down at WIAC games.  I don't have any figures...I don't know...but if its true, that isn't good and it could be because we have one dominant team in our conference.
If the Packers and the (pick any team) were at the SuperBowl every year, pro football would begin to lose its interest.  Not only does it get too predictable, but it stops being a feather in the cap for the winners also.  If you do it every year...ho hum....

Then it's up to the coaches of other programs to step up their game. Because I guarantee the UWW coaching staff won't start taking other teams lightly b/c it's in the best interest for the WIAC and/or DIII. 

[fballfan]

I agree with Emma, and I would even if it was my team who was dominant.  It makes WIAC much more exciting and interesting to the fans of EVERY team if there is actually a question as to who is going to win conference every year.
I know you WW fans like to win every game, every year, no exceptions but it isn't the best thing for WIAC or D3 football as a whole when one or two teams dominate every year.  It isn't much fun for everyone else and it certainly doesn't bring the fans in for WIAC overall.  I heard somewhere that attendance is down at WIAC games.  I don't have any figures...I don't know...but if its true, that isn't good and it could be because we have one dominant team in our conference.
If the Packers and the (pick any team) were at the SuperBowl every year, pro football would begin to lose its interest.  Not only does it get too predictable, but it stops being a feather in the cap for the winners also.  If you do it every year...ho hum....

Then it's up to the coaches of other programs to step up their game. Because I guarantee the UWW coaching staff won't start taking other teams lightly b/c it's in the best interest for the WIAC and/or DIII.

I didn't mean to imply WW should take anyone else lightly or take it easy.  I just said it would be more interesting if there was more parity. 

[emma17]

I agree with Emma, and I would even if it was my team who was dominant.  It makes WIAC much more exciting and interesting to the fans of EVERY team if there is actually a question as to who is going to win conference every year.
I know you WW fans like to win every game, every year, no exceptions but it isn't the best thing for WIAC or D3 football as a whole when one or two teams dominate every year.  It isn't much fun for everyone else and it certainly doesn't bring the fans in for WIAC overall.  I heard somewhere that attendance is down at WIAC games.  I don't have any figures...I don't know...but if its true, that isn't good and it could be because we have one dominant team in our conference.
If the Packers and the (pick any team) were at the SuperBowl every year, pro football would begin to lose its interest.  Not only does it get too predictable, but it stops being a feather in the cap for the winners also.  If you do it every year...ho hum....

Then it's up to the coaches of other programs to step up their game. Because I guarantee the UWW coaching staff won't start taking other teams lightly b/c it's in the best interest for the WIAC and/or DIII.

Right on.  The fun thing is we may be seeing it happen now. Oshkosh, Platteville, Eau Claire and La Crosse all are playing very good football and I don't imagine there are many teams in the top 25 that wouldn't struggle to beat them right now.  Even River Falls, without a win, presents a challenge to good teams. 
I think the coaches do get it and it's most likely just a matter of time.     

[kubiack78]

The Pointers, well....not  a fan. You must understand. The Potato Bowl scars a guy for life. So much ugliness in Point...so much.....

Hahaha you're so right Travis the spud bowl was quite the experience,  not a fan of the pointers or their fans myself, at least at that game (got hit in the helmet with a potato coming out of the locker rooms in 91')...but I'm sure Warhawk fans are not loved by everyone either (there, that was my attempt at at being kinder and gentler to the oter teams fans )

[warhawkguard]

Hahaha you're so right Travis the spud bowl was quite the experience,  not a fan of the pointers or their fans myself, at least at that game (got hit in the helmet with a potato coming out of the locker rooms in 91')...but I'm sure Warhawk fans are not loved by everyone either (there, that was my attempt at at being kinder and gentler to the oter teams fans )
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Yeah Kris, that game sucked! I can't believe that they could pelt us with stuff and NOTHING was done to stop it. I always wish Point goes winless after that day...Good thing we had helmets on I guess. 

[John Gleich]

The Pointers, well....not  a fan. You must understand. The Potato Bowl scars a guy for life. So much ugliness in Point...so much.....

Otter: What a tool.
Dean Wormer: I didn't get that, son, what was that?
Otter: Uh, I said, "What a shame that a few bad apples have to spoil a good time for everyone by breaking the rules."



All in jest WHG... as a Pointer fan, I apologize for Pointer nation back in 1991.  I can't really speak to things from that far back, as I was just a 10 year old kid still living in Illinois...

But that was just before or at the very beginning of Frank O'Brien's tenure as the Athletic Director.  He retired last winter after 20 years at the helm and the athletic program is run as a very tight ship because of it.  The same is expected of the fans and, though this is said while viewing the world through Pointer-purple-tinted glasses, we have a very solid fan base that is humble in victory and gracious in defeat... (but generally a lot more humble than gracious, if ya know what I mean!).

Point's fan base (at least for basketball... I'm too far removed to speak to the make-up of the football fans these days) is mostly comprised of people from the community, many with families and small kids.  That generally makes for a gentler audience, on average... the student population probably doesn't make up more than about 35-40% of the crowds.

I WISH there were more students who came to basketball games... but the recent realities are that you rarely get more than about 2000 tops for most basketball games.  And honestly, you can't fit more than about 3000 without violating fire codes.

That's two problems that football doesn't have... it's not a building, so overflow isn't a problem... and it's lots easier (in terms of space limitations) to build big grandstands outside than in a gym.

[kubiack78]

Pointspecial:

Does UWSP still have the "spud bowl" for football?

[BoBo]

If I add "as long as the loss occurs on the road" would that be better? 
Seriously, an occasional 9-1 UWW team does so much more for everyone involved.  It increases the liklihood of 2 WIAC teams making the playoffs, it adds intrigue to the game with that team the next year, it probably draws more fans (students) to the Perk as there is some doubt, it certainly should waken the fans at the game to give more energy to the team, and most IMPORTANTLY, it prevents this board (primarily the UWW supporters) from becomming just like many (not all) of the Mt and OAC supporters.  Did you browse their board prior to the season starting?  "Our only tough game this year will be such and such".  "So and so only played us tough because such and such".  Humility is a good thing- and losing once in a while is the best elixir. 

It's my new thing, I am in support of a UWW loss in a season every now and then, as long as it's not a playoff game.

Just like winning, losing is habit forming. Any losing just to get more students to the Perk or to be more humble, no offense emma, is one of the dumbest things I've ever heard.   

But as they say, stand up for what you believe in – even if you're standing alone!!

[badgerwarhawk]

Pointspecial:

Does UWSP still have the "spud bowl" for football?

I'm not PS but yes they still have the Spud Bowl.  This year they were beaten by Platteville.

[John Gleich]

Pointspecial:

Does UWSP still have the "spud bowl" for football?

Yep.  It's generally been a non-con game the last few years IIRC (this year it was the non-con match-up with Platteville).

As an aside... Point has a pretty outstanding record in the Spud bowl INFO.  The shellacking that they received by Platteville is a very rare occurrence... coming up to this year, the 25th, Point was 21-2.  (I fully acknowledge that 21+2=23, not 24... my BS in mathematics from Point IS worth the paper it's printed on, at the very least... in 2001, the Spud Bowl game was cancelled due to the September 11th attacks).

I SUPPOSE Point's dominance in the Spud Bowl may have to do with the fact that opposing players have gotten pelted with potatoes... but...

[Raider 68]

If I add "as long as the loss occurs on the road" would that be better? 
Seriously, an occasional 9-1 UWW team does so much more for everyone involved.  It increases the liklihood of 2 WIAC teams making the playoffs, it adds intrigue to the game with that team the next year, it probably draws more fans (students) to the Perk as there is some doubt, it certainly should waken the fans at the game to give more energy to the team, and most IMPORTANTLY, it prevents this board (primarily the UWW supporters) from becomming just like many (not all) of the Mt and OAC supporters.  Did you browse their board prior to the season starting?  "Our only tough game this year will be such and such".  "So and so only played us tough because such and such".  Humility is a good thing- and losing once in a while is the best elixir. 

It's my new thing, I am in support of a UWW loss in a season every now and then, as long as it's not a playoff game.

Just like winning, losing is habit forming. Any losing just to get more students to the Perk or to be more humble, no offense emma, is one of the dumbest things I've ever heard.   

But has they say, stand up for what you believe in – even if you're standing alone!!

BoBo,

Well said! +k

[BoBo]

I agree with Emma, and I would even if it was my team who was dominant.  It makes WIAC much more exciting and interesting to the fans of EVERY team if there is actually a question as to who is going to win conference every year.
I know you WW fans like to win every game, every year, no exceptions but it isn't the best thing for WIAC or D3 football as a whole when one or two teams dominate every year.  It isn't much fun for everyone else and it certainly doesn't bring the fans in for WIAC overall.  I heard somewhere that attendance is down at WIAC games.  I don't have any figures...I don't know...but if its true, that isn't good and it could be because we have one dominant team in our conference.
If the Packers and the (pick any team) were at the SuperBowl every year, pro football would begin to lose its interest.  Not only does it get too predictable, but it stops being a feather in the cap for the winners also.  If you do it every year...ho hum....

I'm interested in seeing your attendance figures to prove attendance is down because the WIAC has one dominant team. Not sure how you would prove if that were the case. River Falls at Oshkosh had an announced crowd of 949. emma17 says Oshkosh is a playoff-worthy team, yet they can't find anymore than 949 fans for a game in a 10,000 seat stadium! Is that because WW had over 10,000 for Platteville the same day? EC had over 5,200 at Carson Park last week for their game with Oshkosh. Would they have had 8, 9, or 10,000 if the WIAC's dominant team wasn't playing in RF in front of 3,621 (which BTW was approx 1,300 people larger than their only other home game vs a supposed decent St. Thomas team coming in from only a few miles away).

I think your NFL example is just as invalid. With a player draft and free agency, every year is different. There hasn't been a repeat Super Bowl Champion is something like 10 years. Even when there has been, it didn't lessen enthusiasm for the game. Go tell the 2011 Detroit Lions or  2011 Eagles Dream Team (now that's a joke) to stop making every year so predictable. Do the old Packer players from the 60's, or the Steelers or Cowboys from the 70's or 80's or the Brady-led Patriots sit around and say "...oh, ho-hum, it's boring winning so many championships..."  It stops being a feather in their cap? And I just fell off a turnip truck!! They are still celebrating those glory days as much today as they did back in the day. I can only hope and pray that some team other than the Packers start a long winning streak and season ticket holders start turning in their tickets because the season gets to predictable.   Otherwise, as # 62,847 on the season ticket waiting list, we'll have to wait an approx. gazillion and a half years to work our way up the list. Even the labor turmoil of this past offseason couldn't do anything to dampen interest.

[John Gleich]

I agree with Emma, and I would even if it was my team who was dominant.  It makes WIAC much more exciting and interesting to the fans of EVERY team if there is actually a question as to who is going to win conference every year.
I know you WW fans like to win every game, every year, no exceptions but it isn't the best thing for WIAC or D3 football as a whole when one or two teams dominate every year.  It isn't much fun for everyone else and it certainly doesn't bring the fans in for WIAC overall.  I heard somewhere that attendance is down at WIAC games.  I don't have any figures...I don't know...but if its true, that isn't good and it could be because we have one dominant team in our conference.
If the Packers and the (pick any team) were at the SuperBowl every year, pro football would begin to lose its interest.  Not only does it get too predictable, but it stops being a feather in the cap for the winners also.  If you do it every year...ho hum....

I'm interested in seeing your attendance figures to prove attendance is down because the WIAC has one dominant team. Not sure how you would prove if that were the case. River Falls at Oshkosh had an announced crowd of 949. emma17 says Oshkosh is a playoff-worthy team, yet they can't find anymore than 949 fans for a game in a 10,000 seat stadium! Is that because WW had over 10,000 for Platteville the same day? EC had over 5,200 at Carson Park last week for their game with Oshkosh. Would they have had 8, 9, or 10,000 if the WIAC's dominant team wasn't playing in RF in front of 3,621 (which BTW was approx 1,300 people larger than their only other home game vs a supposed decent St. Thomas team coming in from only a few miles away).

I think your NFL example is just as invalid. With a player draft and free agency, every year is different. There hasn't been a repeat Super Bowl Champion is something like 10 years. Even when there has been, it didn't lessen enthusiasm for the game. Go tell the 2011 Detroit Lions or  2011 Eagles Dream Team (now that's a joke) to stop making every year so predictable. Do the old Packer players from the 60's, or the Steelers or Cowboys from the 70's or 80's or the Brady-led Patriots sit around and say "...oh, ho-hum, it's boring winning so many championships..."  It stops being a feather in their cap? And I just fell off a turnip truck!! They are still celebrating those glory days as much today as they did back in the day. I can only hope and pray that some team other than the Packers start a long winning streak and season ticket holders start turning in their tickets because the season gets to predictable.   Otherwise, as # 62,847 on the season ticket waiting list, we'll have to wait an approx. gazillion and a half years to work our way up the list. Even the labor turmoil of this past offseason couldn't do anything to dampen interest.

I think the Oshkosh thing is just the Oshkosh culture... they barely get any fans for the Kolf Center either and it sits upwards of 5k... largest (college) crowd I ever remember seeing was a little over 2000 for a game versus Point... and more than half the crowd came rooting for SP.

[footballfan413]

I agree with Emma, and I would even if it was my team who was dominant.  It makes WIAC much more exciting and interesting to the fans of EVERY team if there is actually a question as to who is going to win conference every year.
I know you WW fans like to win every game, every year, no exceptions but it isn't the best thing for WIAC or D3 football as a whole when one or two teams dominate every year.  It isn't much fun for everyone else and it certainly doesn't bring the fans in for WIAC overall.  I heard somewhere that attendance is down at WIAC games.  I don't have any figures...I don't know...but if its true, that isn't good and it could be because we have one dominant team in our conference.
If the Packers and the (pick any team) were at the SuperBowl every year, pro football would begin to lose its interest.  Not only does it get too predictable, but it stops being a feather in the cap for the winners also.  If you do it every year...ho hum....

I'm interested in seeing your attendance figures to prove attendance is down because the WIAC has one dominant team. Not sure how you would prove if that were the case. River Falls at Oshkosh had an announced crowd of 949. emma17 says Oshkosh is a playoff-worthy team, yet they can't find anymore than 949 fans for a game in a 10,000 seat stadium! Is that because WW had over 10,000 for Platteville the same day? EC had over 5,200 at Carson Park last week for their game with Oshkosh. Would they have had 8, 9, or 10,000 if the WIAC's dominant team wasn't playing in RF in front of 3,621 (which BTW was approx 1,300 people larger than their only other home game vs a supposed decent St. Thomas team coming in from only a few miles away).

I think your NFL example is just as invalid. With a player draft and free agency, every year is different. There hasn't been a repeat Super Bowl Champion is something like 10 years. Even when there has been, it didn't lessen enthusiasm for the game. Go tell the 2011 Detroit Lions or  2011 Eagles Dream Team (now that's a joke) to stop making every year so predictable. Do the old Packer players from the 60's, or the Steelers or Cowboys from the 70's or 80's or the Brady-led Patriots sit around and say "...oh, ho-hum, it's boring winning so many championships..."  It stops being a feather in their cap? And I just fell off a turnip truck!! They are still celebrating those glory days as much today as they did back in the day. I can only hope and pray that some team other than the Packers start a long winning streak and season ticket holders start turning in their tickets because the season gets to predictable.   Otherwise, as # 62,847 on the season ticket waiting list, we'll have to wait an approx. gazillion and a half years to work our way up the list. Even the labor turmoil of this past offseason couldn't do anything to dampen interest.

I think the Oshkosh thing is just the Oshkosh culture... they barely get any fans for the Kolf Center either and it sits upwards of 5k... largest (college) crowd I ever remember seeing was a little over 2000 for a game versus Point... and more than half the crowd came rooting for SP.

I was told by the parent of an Oshkosh football player years ago that the fact that the stadium is so far from campus and on the other side of the river hurts the student attendance.  That and the game is televised on campus.