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Quote from: emma17 on December 18, 2011, 10:41:28 PM
Regarding the conservative nature of the playcalling, UWW had a time of possession advantage of just under 9 minutes for the game, but I think UWW had nearly a 10 minute TOP advantage at halftime.  Obviously things changed in the second half and I look forward to watching the video to get a better feel.   

From my viewpoint, I felt UWW should have had three scores in the first half, but simply made mistakes. In the second half the offense sputtered and I couldn't tell if it was mostly because of the defense or if the play calling really did turn extra- ordinarily conservative.   

I just finished watching the game again. I'm guessing the Whitewater coaching staff knew that Piloto wasn't going to beat them. Piloto had some open receivers that he just missed throughout the game. So I think they decided to play conservatively (don't turn the ball over), then play good defense and go home champions.

BoBo

Quote from: 02 Warhawk on December 18, 2011, 11:10:01 PM
Quote from: emma17 on December 18, 2011, 10:41:28 PM
Regarding the conservative nature of the playcalling, UWW had a time of possession advantage of just under 9 minutes for the game, but I think UWW had nearly a 10 minute TOP advantage at halftime.  Obviously things changed in the second half and I look forward to watching the video to get a better feel.   

From my viewpoint, I felt UWW should have had three scores in the first half, but simply made mistakes. In the second half the offense sputtered and I couldn't tell if it was mostly because of the defense or if the play calling really did turn extra- ordinarily conservative.   

I just finished watching the game again. I'm guessing the Whitewater coaching staff knew that Piloto wasn't going to beat them. Piloto had some open receivers that he just missed throughout the game. So I think they decided to play conservatively (don't turn the ball over), then play good defense and go home champions.

That's a dangerous strategy to employ 02, wouldn't you agree? All it takes is for him to get a couple of those throws down, and the outcome is VERY different.
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"WHAT THE HELL, LET'S SEE
WHAT HAPPENS."

WarhawkDad

Congrats to 413 for Winning the WIAC pick-ems!   Not only does she know how to tailgate!!!!  She really knows her football!

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Quote from: WarhawkDad on December 19, 2011, 01:06:11 AM
Congrats to 413 for Winning the WIAC pick-ems!   Not only does she know how to tailgate!!!!  She really knows her football!

footballfan413 2011 WIAC Overall Pickems Champ!!

It must have taken a real offensive explosion for a defensive-minded specialist!!  ;)

I'VE REACHED THAT AGE
WHERE MY BRAIN GOES
FROM "YOU PROBABLY
SHOULDN'T SAY THAT," TO
"WHAT THE HELL, LET'S SEE
WHAT HAPPENS."

warhawkguard

I am so thankful the Hawks won!

The Raider defense seemed to be in our backfield immediately all day. This was very bad! It was like they knew what we were going to run. The fact that we still moved the ball just enough was very impressive. The Raiders were very impressive.

I guess all we can say to them is "see ya next year! Same time, same place!
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bleedpurple

Quote from: warhawkguard on December 19, 2011, 07:10:45 AM
I am so thankful the Hawks won!

The Raider defense seemed to be in our backfield immediately all day. This was very bad! It was like they knew what we were going to run. The fact that we still moved the ball just enough was very impressive. The Raiders were very impressive.

I guess all we can say to them is "see ya next year! Same time, same place!

Much to the dismay of much of D3 Nation, there's a pretty good chance of this happening.  UW-W should be loaded on defense and, although they lose Blanchard, will be returning a Stagg Bowl winning QB who has been in the system for 3 years.  Given the centrality of a powerful running game to all UW-W does, I do hope they are able to add a "ready now" running back to the mix for next year.  We've been pretty spoiled by what we've had at running back for the last 8 years!

Raider 68

Quote from: bleedpurple on December 19, 2011, 09:03:08 AM
Quote from: warhawkguard on December 19, 2011, 07:10:45 AM
I am so thankful the Hawks won!

The Raider defense seemed to be in our backfield immediately all day. This was very bad! It was like they knew what we were going to run. The fact that we still moved the ball just enough was very impressive. The Raiders were very impressive.

I guess all we can say to them is "see ya next year! Same time, same place!

Much to the dismay of much of D3 Nation, there's a pretty good chance of this happening.  UW-W should be loaded on defense and, although they lose Blanchard, will be returning a Stagg Bowl winning QB who has been in the system for 3 years.  Given the centrality of a powerful running game to all UW-W does, I do hope they are able to add a "ready now" running back to the mix for next year.  We've been pretty spoiled by what we've had at running back for the last 8 years!

Bleed Purple,

How many starters return for the Warhawks? The Raiders return 14 which is pretty encouraging as well! :)
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Quote from: 02 Warhawk on December 18, 2011, 11:10:01 PM
Quote from: emma17 on December 18, 2011, 10:41:28 PM
Regarding the conservative nature of the playcalling, UWW had a time of possession advantage of just under 9 minutes for the game, but I think UWW had nearly a 10 minute TOP advantage at halftime.  Obviously things changed in the second half and I look forward to watching the video to get a better feel.   

From my viewpoint, I felt UWW should have had three scores in the first half, but simply made mistakes. In the second half the offense sputtered and I couldn't tell if it was mostly because of the defense or if the play calling really did turn extra- ordinarily conservative.   

I just finished watching the game again. I'm guessing the Whitewater coaching staff knew that Piloto wasn't going to beat them. Piloto had some open receivers that he just missed throughout the game. So I think they decided to play conservatively (don't turn the ball over), then play good defense and go home champions.

I think you nailed it on the head 02. It was very frustrating watching the conservative play calling in the second half.  At one point Blanchard's parents were standing up in the stands and looking up into the box at Dinkel and giving him the "throw the ball" sign. Even though Blanchard was accurate throwing the ball (except for the interception), there was a lot of pressure on him in the backfield.  Maybe a few more bubble screens and jet sweeps would have taken the pressure off of him. I must say I was very impressed with Mount's defensive effort after watching their performance against Wesley.

Luckily everything worked out and we don't have to consume ourselves with second guessing!

WarhawkDad

Quote from: warhawkguard on December 19, 2011, 07:10:45 AM
I am so thankful the Hawks won!

The Raider defense seemed to be in our backfield immediately all day. This was very bad! It was like they knew what we were going to run. The fact that we still moved the ball just enough was very impressive. The Raiders were very impressive.

I guess all we can say to them is "see ya next year! Same time, same place!
The Raiders were run blitzing into the guards gaps a majority of the game.  While not necessarily in the backfield they were clogging the line of scrimmage and the running lanes.  Our game plan was very conservative after the pick.  But good news is that our defense was just outstanding. 

WarhawkDad
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2013  WIAC PICKEM CHAMPION

"Pound The Rock!!!"

02 Warhawk

Quote from: BoBo on December 19, 2011, 12:33:33 AM
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on December 18, 2011, 11:10:01 PM
Quote from: emma17 on December 18, 2011, 10:41:28 PM
Regarding the conservative nature of the playcalling, UWW had a time of possession advantage of just under 9 minutes for the game, but I think UWW had nearly a 10 minute TOP advantage at halftime.  Obviously things changed in the second half and I look forward to watching the video to get a better feel.   

From my viewpoint, I felt UWW should have had three scores in the first half, but simply made mistakes. In the second half the offense sputtered and I couldn't tell if it was mostly because of the defense or if the play calling really did turn extra- ordinarily conservative.   

I just finished watching the game again. I'm guessing the Whitewater coaching staff knew that Piloto wasn't going to beat them. Piloto had some open receivers that he just missed throughout the game. So I think they decided to play conservatively (don't turn the ball over), then play good defense and go home champions.

That's a dangerous strategy to employ 02, wouldn't you agree? All it takes is for him to get a couple of those throws down, and the outcome is VERY different.

Not saying that I agree with it.

Then again, what do I know.... I trust LL and his coaching staff to get the job done. As they have been doing for 45 straight games now.  ;D

BoBo

Quote from: Raider 68 on December 19, 2011, 09:13:16 AM
Quote from: bleedpurple on December 19, 2011, 09:03:08 AM
Quote from: warhawkguard on December 19, 2011, 07:10:45 AM
I am so thankful the Hawks won!

The Raider defense seemed to be in our backfield immediately all day. This was very bad! It was like they knew what we were going to run. The fact that we still moved the ball just enough was very impressive. The Raiders were very impressive.

I guess all we can say to them is "see ya next year! Same time, same place!

Much to the dismay of much of D3 Nation, there's a pretty good chance of this happening.  UW-W should be loaded on defense and, although they lose Blanchard, will be returning a Stagg Bowl winning QB who has been in the system for 3 years.  Given the centrality of a powerful running game to all UW-W does, I do hope they are able to add a "ready now" running back to the mix for next year.  We've been pretty spoiled by what we've had at running back for the last 8 years!

Bleed Purple,

How many starters return for the Warhawks? The Raiders return 14 which is pretty encouraging as well! :)

Raider, UWW graduates 18 from a 100 man roster the way I count it. Starters? Hard to count because the way the coaches shuffled people in and out, it's hard to know who was actually the starter in many cases (I've never seen a Whitewater 2 deep if it even exists). IMO, the key graduating seniors are Blanchard, Coppage, Allemand and Olson off the OL, TE Jason Ford, Greg Arnold, and DL Keeser and Casper & Kris Rosholt the punter who did such an outstanding job keeping Mount in poor field position. But, as bp indicated, how many schools can replace a graduating Stagg Bowl winning QB with another Stagg Bowl winning QB? Only guessing, but I bet that hasn't been done very often. 2011 Warhawks were really a soph/junior dominated outfit. Linebacker corps and DB's should be electrifying next year - that's with or without Steve McCollum and/or Josh Williams returning from injuries that kept them sidelined the entire season. Looking a lot like reloading for the Warhawks, too, my friend!!  ;)
I'VE REACHED THAT AGE
WHERE MY BRAIN GOES
FROM "YOU PROBABLY
SHOULDN'T SAY THAT," TO
"WHAT THE HELL, LET'S SEE
WHAT HAPPENS."

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Quote from: WarhawkDad on December 19, 2011, 01:06:11 AM
Congrats to 413 for Winning the WIAC pick-ems!   Not only does she know how to tailgate!!!!  She really knows her football!

footballfan413 2011 WIAC Overall Pickems Champ!!
Well, I'll be damned!  So coming in second twice adds up to #1??   I'll take it!  I want to thank my family, PP brethren and all those who supported me.  And especially to the WARHAWKS and WIAC for giving us a great season of D3 football pick 'ems once again!   ;) ;D :-*

Quote from: WarhawkDad on December 19, 2011, 09:26:34 AM
Quote from: warhawkguard on December 19, 2011, 07:10:45 AM
I am so thankful the Hawks won!

The Raider defense seemed to be in our backfield immediately all day. This was very bad! It was like they knew what we were going to run. The fact that we still moved the ball just enough was very impressive. The Raiders were very impressive.

I guess all we can say to them is "see ya next year! Same time, same place!
The Raiders were run blitzing into the guards gaps a majority of the game.  While not necessarily in the backfield they were clogging the line of scrimmage and the running lanes.  Our game plan was very conservative after the pick.  But good news is that our defense was just outstanding. 

WarhawkDad
Exactly!  Like I said, Raiders were going to stop the run. Period!  We stopped our passing game, however.  Hard to argue with success but it so could have gone the other way so very easily, IMHO. We leaned too heavily on the D but luckily, they were up to the task.   DEFENSE! DEFENSE! DEFENSE!!!!! 8-)
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BoBo

The reaction of the north Korean people upon hearing the news of the death of Kim Jong-il was probably the same reaction as all the losers of the WIAC pickem had learning the news that fbf413 won again.  WATCH  Although, we likely didn't mourn our loss in such a choreographed & regimented fashion!! Those lines of people are simply straight as an arrow.  ;)
I'VE REACHED THAT AGE
WHERE MY BRAIN GOES
FROM "YOU PROBABLY
SHOULDN'T SAY THAT," TO
"WHAT THE HELL, LET'S SEE
WHAT HAPPENS."

badgerwarhawk

Quote from: Raider 68 on December 19, 2011, 09:13:16 AM
Quote from: bleedpurple on December 19, 2011, 09:03:08 AM
Quote from: warhawkguard on December 19, 2011, 07:10:45 AM
I am so thankful the Hawks won!

The Raider defense seemed to be in our backfield immediately all day. This was very bad! It was like they knew what we were going to run. The fact that we still moved the ball just enough was very impressive. The Raiders were very impressive.

I guess all we can say to them is "see ya next year! Same time, same place!

Much to the dismay of much of D3 Nation, there's a pretty good chance of this happening.  UW-W should be loaded on defense and, although they lose Blanchard, will be returning a Stagg Bowl winning QB who has been in the system for 3 years.  Given the centrality of a powerful running game to all UW-W does, I do hope they are able to add a "ready now" running back to the mix for next year.  We've been pretty spoiled by what we've had at running back for the last 8 years!

Bleed Purple,

How many starters return for the Warhawks? The Raiders return 14 which is pretty encouraging as well! :)

bp, I hope you don't mind my answering.  This is something I was looking at last night so I have the numbers readily at hand.

Off the starting lineup in the Stagg Bowl on offense we lose six and return five.  Leaving are Robinson (WR), Ford (TE), Coppage (RB), Olson (RT), Blanchard (QB) and Allemand (LT).  Returning are Huber (WR), Seefelt (RG), Norris (LG), Tamsett (FB) and Hanson (C).  Defensively we lose five and return six.  Lost are Arnold (LB), Keeser (DT), Casper (DE), Overton (S) and Kiesow (CB).  Returning we have Wenkman (S), Wismer (LB), Cortez (LB), Hohlstein (DT), Minett (DE) and Timm (CB).   We also lose Rosholt (P) and return Kindler (K).  Of the 22 other player who saw action 3 were seniors, 7 were juniors, 9 were sophomores and 3 were freshman.  We'll also return several medical redshirts Josh Williams (LB), Aaron Samplawski (WR/KR), Steve McCollum (S) and I think there were a couple of tight ends and an offensive lineman though I don't know the status of those players.   

Oops, I see BoBo beat me to it.  In my defense I was interupted by a job related task. ;D
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Raider 68

Quote from: badgerwarhawk on December 19, 2011, 10:50:06 AM
Quote from: Raider 68 on December 19, 2011, 09:13:16 AM
Quote from: bleedpurple on December 19, 2011, 09:03:08 AM
Quote from: warhawkguard on December 19, 2011, 07:10:45 AM
I am so thankful the Hawks won!

The Raider defense seemed to be in our backfield immediately all day. This was very bad! It was like they knew what we were going to run. The fact that we still moved the ball just enough was very impressive. The Raiders were very impressive.

I guess all we can say to them is "see ya next year! Same time, same place!

Much to the dismay of much of D3 Nation, there's a pretty good chance of this happening.  UW-W should be loaded on defense and, although they lose Blanchard, will be returning a Stagg Bowl winning QB who has been in the system for 3 years.  Given the centrality of a powerful running game to all UW-W does, I do hope they are able to add a "ready now" running back to the mix for next year.  We've been pretty spoiled by what we've had at running back for the last 8 years!

Bleed Purple,

How many starters return for the Warhawks? The Raiders return 14 which is pretty encouraging as well! :)

bp, I hope you don't mind my answering.  This is something I was looking at last night so I have the numbers readily at hand.

Off the starting lineup in the Stagg Bowl on offense we lose six and return five.  Leaving are Robinson (WR), Ford (TE), Coppage (RB), Olson (RT), Blanchard (QB) and Allemand (LT).  Returning are Huber (WR), Seefelt (RG), Norris (LG), Tamsett (FB) and Hanson (C).  Defensively we lose five and return six.  Lost are Arnold (LB), Keeser (DT), Casper (DE), Overton (S) and Kiesow (CB).  Returning we have Wenkman (S), Wismer (LB), Cortez (LB), Hohlstein (DT), Minett (DE) and Timm (CB).   We also lose Rosholt (P) and return Kindler (K).  Of the 22 other player who saw action 3 were seniors, 7 were juniors, 9 were sophomores and 3 were freshman.  We'll also return several medical redshirts Josh Williams (LB), Aaron Samplawski (WR/KR), Steve McCollum (S) and I think there were a couple of tight ends and an offensive lineman though I don't know the status of those players.   

Oops, I see BoBo beat me to it.  In my defense I was interupted by a job related task. ;D

BoBo,

Thanks for the information! :)
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