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[02 Warhawk]

Maybe St. Johns would be better suited in the UMAC conference???

I don't believe the conversation centered on whether SJU was a good fit for the MIAC, it was whether U$T was a good fit for the MIAC, to which some valid points were brought up.  U$T seems to be deviating from the MIAC norm.  No one is complaining that they are too good at football.  The school, as a whole, just seems to have bigger aspirations that the small-school MIAC.

I'd suggest that they join the WIAC, but their academic standards are way too high! 

The post did center on UST being "too big" for the MIAC and never questioned SJU being a "good fit" for the MIAC.

Is there a document somewhere that lists the determining factors that make the current schools a "good fit" for the MIAC?

No...just public opinion I'm guessing.

[Just Bill]

Big difference between a play-by-play guy and a color commentator, Bobo. You seem to be lumping them together. No one has ever asked Bill Walton to call play-by-play because frankly he'd be ridiculously bad. On the other hand, he's pretty entertaining to do color if you're into his style. My buddy wouldn't even be in competition with an ex-jock or ex-coach. He's doing a different job.

[BoBo]

I'd suggest that they join the WIAC, but their academic standards are way too high! 

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[BoBo]

Big difference between a play-by-play guy and a color commentator, Bobo. You seem to be lumping them together. No one has ever asked Bill Walton to call play-by-play because frankly he'd be ridiculously bad. On the other hand, he's pretty entertaining to do color if you're into his style. My buddy wouldn't even be in competition with an ex-jock or ex-coach. He's doing a different job.

It doesn't just seem like I'm lumping them together, I am lumping them together...they're all broadcasters to me!! The topic was originally about male vs female football announcers, right?  Now that you're bringing basketball announcers into it, I'll have to bow out since I haven't watched or heard an NBA broadcast in probably over 10 or 15 years. However, I doubt Bill Walton ever cared to do p-b-p since he can work at his craft less and get paid more doing the color. Play-by-play guys are a dime a dozen, but a former player with his background are in high demand. However, I can't really comment about his knowledge, skills, and/or abilities (or lack thereof) to call a game due to my lack of interest in the NBA game.

[voice]

Big difference between a play-by-play guy and a color commentator, Bobo. You seem to be lumping them together. No one has ever asked Bill Walton to call play-by-play because frankly he'd be ridiculously bad. On the other hand, he's pretty entertaining to do color if you're into his style. My buddy wouldn't even be in competition with an ex-jock or ex-coach. He's doing a different job.

It doesn't just seem like I'm lumping them together, I am lumping them together...they're all broadcasters to me!! The topic was originally about male vs female football announcers, right?  Now that you're bringing basketball announcers into it, I'll have to bow out since I haven't watched or heard an NBA broadcast in probably over 10 or 15 years. However, I doubt Bill Walton ever cared to do p-b-p since he can work at his craft less and get paid more doing the color. Play-by-play guys are a dime a dozen, but a former player with his background are in high demand. However, I can't really comment about his knowledge, skills, and/or abilities (or lack thereof) to call a game due to my lack of interest in the NBA game.

Not that I've ever been a sports broadcaster at the national network level, but I will tell you that it is easier to "skate" as the guy (or gal) doing the color commentary.  On the whole, I think most of the NBA color commentators are doing homework.  BTW I think Doris Burkes does a hell of a job.

For a sports broadcast announcer it is all about the work you do leading up to the broadcast!

Believe me it is a tough job to slave over a hot microphone!!

[emma17]

On a completely different topic and way out of left field- I believe UWW would most likely have won the 2008 Stagg Bowl if Anderson was the feature back and not Coppage (his freshman year). 
It's just a thought I've kept private for a long time but feel it's a decent time to open up and get other opinions.

[badgerwarhawk]

Anderson did have more carries than Coppage in the 2008 Stagg Bowl (19 vs. 13) and gained significantly more yards (6.4 to 3.2).  I'm not sure you could say that Coppage was the featured back.  Anderson also started the game.

I don't know whether we would have won or not.  Micheli/Shorts caused a lot of problems for us that day. That and the fact that we got off to a bad start and dug a hole in the first half.  If you go strictly by the stats you wonder how did we lose.

[emma17]

Anderson did have more carries than Coppage in the 2008 Stagg Bowl (19 vs. 13) and gained significantly more yards (6.4 to 3.2).  I'm not sure you could say that Coppage was the featured back.  Anderson also started the game.

I don't know whether we would have won or not.  Micheli/Shorts caused a lot of problems for us that day. That and the fact that we got off to a bad start and dug a hole in the first half.  If you go strictly by the stats you wonder how did we lose.

Featured back was not the right term. I think if he would have gotten most of Coppage's AND even more running plays I think the outcome is most likely different. Shorts killed us in the first two series as I recall.   The game breaking play was the pick 6 in 4 th qrtr - I believe on 3 rd down when we were truly pounding the rock.

[voice]

Anderson did have more carries than Coppage in the 2008 Stagg Bowl (19 vs. 13) and gained significantly more yards (6.4 to 3.2).  I'm not sure you could say that Coppage was the featured back.  Anderson also started the game.

I don't know whether we would have won or not.  Micheli/Shorts caused a lot of problems for us that day. That and the fact that we got off to a bad start and dug a hole in the first half.  If you go strictly by the stats you wonder how did we lose.

Featured back was not the right term. I think if he would have gotten most of Coppage's AND even more running plays I think the outcome is most likely different. Shorts killed us in the first two series as I recall.   The game breaking play was the pick 6 in 4 th qrtr - I believe on 3 rd down when we were truly pounding the rock.

Coppage hurt an ankle in the Hawks 2008 playoff opener vs. St. Johns.  Double-A prcodeded to rush for 805 yards and score 10 TDs in UWW's run to Salem.  Coppage did not play in the Hawks second round win at West No. 1 seed Williamette.  Anderson by the way rushed for 269 yards and 3 TDs in that game. Coppage also sat out UWW's Round 3 win over Wartburg.  Levell saw limited action vs. UMHB and Mount Union.  Antoine was definitely "the man" in UWW's return trip to the Stagg Bowl.

[02 Warhawk]

  If you go strictly by the stats you wonder how did we lose.

Those two big TD passes killed us

[emma17]

  If you go strictly by the stats you wonder how did we lose.

Those two big TD passes killed us

The TD passes were big but they didn't cost UWW the game.  IMO UWW's best bet to win the game was to give Anderson the ball at least 30 times.  Too many carries for Coppage and too many pass plays called.  The stats actually show Donovan had 12 carries- way too many when you had a horse like Anderson chomping at the bit.  Anderson was absolutley on fire in the playoffs like Voice said.  In the first playoff game against St. Johns he took the game over- replacing Coppage in the 3rd qrtr he went for 158 yds in 2nd half.  His game against Willamette was one for the ages- 34-269.  He averaged 6.6 yards per carry in playoffs, which was the same he averaged in the Stagg Bowl.  Never was the Pound the Rock mentality more needed than in that game.   

[badgerwarhawk]

My memory isn't what it used to be but I'd be surprised if very many of Donovan's runs were scripted runs.  I suspect the majority of them were scrambles that were scripted pass plays.  You have to give some credit to the Mount defensive front.  Obviously you feel too many passes were called and this would only have increased the total and that may be a valid point.  But I don't think they were plays that giving the ball to AA was an option of the specific play called.   

At any rate it's all speculation.  Despite as many times as I have stayed at a Holiday Inn Express I don't presume to know more about play calling than the staff.  We played, we lost, kudos to UMU. 

[emma17]

My memory isn't what it used to be but I'd be surprised if very many of Donovan's runs were scripted runs.  I suspect the majority of them were scrambles that were scripted pass plays.  You have to give some credit to the Mount defensive front.  Obviously you feel too many passes were called and this would only have increased the total and that may be a valid point.  But I don't think they were plays that giving the ball to AA was an option of the specific play called.   

At any rate it's all speculation.  Despite as many times as I have stayed at a Holiday Inn Express I don't presume to know more about play calling than the staff.  We played, we lost, kudos to UMU.

Well timed Holiday Inn reference .  The speculation gets me through the boring season of NBA and losing Chicago baseball teams-and it's not a sign of disrespect for Mt.  They won and deserved the win.     

I got to thinking about this subject when thinking about UWW's place in history compared to Mt.  As impressive as 3 in a row is, the  thought occured to me that UWW is pretty close to 5 in a row.  5 in a row, to me, is more impressive than 10 national championships.   

I'm not ripping the coaching from an "I know better than they do" perspective.  I'm just talking from a hindsight is 20/20 perspective- aka, woulda, coulda, shoulda.  My guess is if UWW had it to do over again, they would really have lived the Pound the Rock mentality with AA.  I imagine in pre-game planning they felt Mt woud be too strong against a one dimensional running attack and decided on a balanced attack for the offense.  A reasonable theory.  Sometimes a team is surprised to find out just how dang good they are, or perhaps how not necessarily great an opponent is.  You don't have to earn a paycheck as a coach to know the answer to this question- If UWW knew AA would average 6.6 yards per rush on 19 carries, would they have put together a different game plan going in?  Most likely yes they would have.         

[BoBo]

I'm just talking from a hindsight is 20/20 perspective- aka, woulda, coulda, shoulda.         

I think it was Alfred E. Neuman who said "In retrospect, it becomes clear that hindsight is definitely overrated!"

[BoBo]

The WIAC has announced the winners of the all-sports awards.  UW-Whitewater took home 2 of the three categories - men's and combined - UW-Eau Claire took the women's award.