FB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[02 Warhawk]

Very disappointing.  While a school cannot be responsible for choices their students make, this kind of publicity is not anything a program wants. 

While I don't agree with this over simplification of UWW athletes, the UWW administration, for at least a short time, will have to work on a public perception problem that they are home to thieves, thugs, and druggies. Hopefully there won't be another incident and they can get this behind them.  We all know these type of things also happen in the general student population and those events aren't considered newsworthy.  Success comes with a cost.

Really?  We have over 10,000 students on campus and hundreds and hundreds of student-athletes.   The problems of one or two should, in no way, be allowed to cast a shadow over the vast majority of UWW students and athletes.  Don't make me start a google search about bad behavior regarding other schools and programs.................

footballfan413:  Don't get your panties in a bunch.  We all agree on this matter.  Read what was written.

Programs seem to be placed more and more under the microscope as they become successful. If this happened to Whitewater 10 years ago, very few DIII fans (outside the WIAC) would have bat an eye at the news of a former UWW player getting busted for drugs. I guarantee the warthogs, the D.O.C.s, the HSCoachs wouldn't have wasted their time posting here about it.

I repectfully disagree-one of our ex-UMU players(played last year) got himself in a worse mess than your guy did and several posts were made regarding said offense on our board.  I agree its not earth shattering news.... kinda gossipy to make a big deal out of it, but its just a downside of the internet and all the instant media coverage. I am so old I remember when it took 2 days to get game info/box scores when my yankees played los angles angels     now 20 minutes after the game there's a news conference live on tv with microphones shoved in everyone's faces

What exactly are you disagreeing with? You almost seem to be agreeing with my point that successful programs are more scrutinized than less successful programs

[emma17]

Hey folks as much as I just love the legalization debate raging on a discussion board dedicated to WIAC football can we please get back on track. UWO should be able to roll the next 2 weeks but when the playoffs start clearly things are going to get tougher. Is there anything you all have seen that might hurt the Titans come playoff time?

Raging debate- where?

I think uwo's offense will serve them very well against the better teams. They dont run the style of option that exposes the ball as much. Their option perfectly compliments their strong passing game. I'll be surprised if they can't score enough to win as long as the defense holds. IMO the defense is the question as you haven't seen the likes of NCC, mhb, linfield, Wesley or Mt.

Is there something specifically about the D (not fast enough, big enough, assignment sure enough) that leads you to that analysis?

I didn't mean to provide an analysis of their D as much as I am raising the point that the D hasn't been tested to the level it will be against the better offenses. UWO performed well against UWP but as you know they weren't full strength. Against UWW in the second half you certainly saw what a balanced offense might be able to do. Granted, the situation was different at that point of the game.
In summary: to this point the offense has proved itself against a legitimate national power defense in UWW.  The jury is out as to how the D will hold up against nationally powerful offenses. 
I hope for the best for UWO. Come playoff time, I'd rather have a great D and good O vs the other way around.

[emma17]

This has been a tough middle to end of the year for the Eagles.  In years past they have been beaten up with injuries to the lines which has made it pretty tough to be successful.  This year is the opposite with their best skill position players out with injuries for multiple games if not the entire season.  Bilderback, Hertrampf and now Stan have all missed games and are players the Eagles have counted on.  Someone new needs to step up against RF if they are going to win.

With all the injuries for UWL and UWW, it should make for an interesting game next weekend in La Crosse . UWW has all three of its preseason All Americans on the injured list. Timm and Huber were out for the season before it even got cold outside.

Plus, in that same Oshkosh game, UWW lost their best linebacker (Wismer). Not to mention our offensive senior captain is (presumably) perfectly healthy, but now sitting on the bench because he hasn't been meeting expectations (which I 100% agree with).

Good post 02.
Have you heard anything about Givens coming back this season?  Do you (or anyone) know if he will lose this year of eligibility? 
Next season will probably feature one of the toughest battles for the running back position that this program has had in a long, long time.   

[WarhawkDad]

Hey folks as much as I just love the legalization debate raging on a discussion board dedicated to WIAC football can we please get back on track. UWO should be able to roll the next 2 weeks but when the playoffs start clearly things are going to get tougher. Is there anything you all have seen that might hurt the Titans come playoff time?

Raging debate- where?

I think uwo's offense will serve them very well against the better teams. They dont run the style of option that exposes the ball as much. Their option perfectly compliments their strong passing game. I'll be surprised if they can't score enough to win as long as the defense holds. IMO the defense is the question as you haven't seen the likes of NCC, mhb, linfield, Wesley or Mt.

Is there something specifically about the D (not fast enough, big enough, assignment sure enough) that leads you to that analysis?

I didn't mean to provide an analysis of their D as much as I am raising the point that the D hasn't been tested to the level it will be against the better offenses. UWO performed well against UWP but as you know they weren't full strength. Against UWW in the second half you certainly saw what a balanced offense might be able to do. Granted, the situation was different at that point of the game.
In summary: to this point the offense has proved itself against a legitimate national power defense in UWW.  The jury is out as to how the D will hold up against nationally powerful offenses. 
I hope for the best for UWO. Come playoff time, I'd rather have a great D and good O vs the other way around.

I agree with Emma and I posted before, that UWW moved the ball at will in the 3rd quarter against UWO.   UWO did not make any adjustments because frankly we were running the same plays before with a different QB and just not executing.   UWO really did not stop UWW, we shot ourselves in the foot.  First on a bad decision by the coaches to go for it on 4th down when we should have kicked a field goal.   We were down two scores anyway.....and then the play calling got very conservative and redundant on the 4th quarter drive that ended in a missed field goal, when we should have gone for it.   It was too far for a field goal in those conditions.    Frankly this year UWW could not get out of its own way on offense.

[WarhawkDad]

This has been a tough middle to end of the year for the Eagles.  In years past they have been beaten up with injuries to the lines which has made it pretty tough to be successful.  This year is the opposite with their best skill position players out with injuries for multiple games if not the entire season.  Bilderback, Hertrampf and now Stan have all missed games and are players the Eagles have counted on.  Someone new needs to step up against RF if they are going to win.

With all the injuries for UWL and UWW, it should make for an interesting game next weekend in La Crosse . UWW has all three of its preseason All Americans on the injured list. Timm and Huber were out for the season before it even got cold outside.

Plus, in that same Oshkosh game, UWW lost their best linebacker (Wismer). Not to mention our offensive senior captain is (presumably) perfectly healthy, but now sitting on the bench because he hasn't been meeting expectations (which I 100% agree with).

Good post 02.
Have you heard anything about Givens coming back this season?  Do you (or anyone) know if he will lose this year of eligibility? 
Next season will probably feature one of the toughest battles for the running back position that this program has had in a long, long time.

You would hope he would be back....but I have learned not to count on any first year players coming back because things like grades, family, girlfiriends, off season injuries...etc have a way of impacting that.   Plus you have a whole new recruiting crop.   

Too your point, it will be a wide open battle next year for RB.   Good news is that the defense will have a lot of returning players....again.   The offensive line will be a big question.

[ScreamingEagles]

This has been a tough middle to end of the year for the Eagles.  In years past they have been beaten up with injuries to the lines which has made it pretty tough to be successful.  This year is the opposite with their best skill position players out with injuries for multiple games if not the entire season.  Bilderback, Hertrampf and now Stan have all missed games and are players the Eagles have counted on.  Someone new needs to step up against RF if they are going to win.

With all the injuries for UWL and UWW, it should make for an interesting game next weekend in La Crosse . UWW has all three of its preseason All Americans on the injured list. Timm and Huber were out for the season before it even got cold outside.

Plus, in that same Oshkosh game, UWW lost their best linebacker (Wismer). Not to mention our offensive senior captain is (presumably) perfectly healthy, but now sitting on the bench because he hasn't been meeting expectations (which I 100% agree with).

Don't take my post as saying UWL has had more injuries than any other team in the conference.  UWW has been hit hard as well, and has had some very good players taken out.  I was more pointing out the fact that typically UWL has lost their lineman to injury (last year against whitewater they had 4 of 5 starting o lineman hurt) and this year they've lost skill position players.

[thrunt01]

Hey folks as much as I just love the legalization debate raging on a discussion board dedicated to WIAC football can we please get back on track. UWO should be able to roll the next 2 weeks but when the playoffs start clearly things are going to get tougher. Is there anything you all have seen that might hurt the Titans come playoff time?

Raging debate- where?

I think uwo's offense will serve them very well against the better teams. They dont run the style of option that exposes the ball as much. Their option perfectly compliments their strong passing game. I'll be surprised if they can't score enough to win as long as the defense holds. IMO the defense is the question as you haven't seen the likes of NCC, mhb, linfield, Wesley or Mt.

Is there something specifically about the D (not fast enough, big enough, assignment sure enough) that leads you to that analysis?

I didn't mean to provide an analysis of their D as much as I am raising the point that the D hasn't been tested to the level it will be against the better offenses. UWO performed well against UWP but as you know they weren't full strength. Against UWW in the second half you certainly saw what a balanced offense might be able to do. Granted, the situation was different at that point of the game.
In summary: to this point the offense has proved itself against a legitimate national power defense in UWW.  The jury is out as to how the D will hold up against nationally powerful offenses. 
I hope for the best for UWO. Come playoff time, I'd rather have a great D and good O vs the other way around.

I agree with Emma and I posted before, that UWW moved the ball at will in the 3rd quarter against UWO.   UWO did not make any adjustments because frankly we were running the same plays before with a different QB and just not executing.   UWO really did not stop UWW, we shot ourselves in the foot.  First on a bad decision by the coaches to go for it on 4th down when we should have kicked a field goal.   We were down two scores anyway.....and then the play calling got very conservative and redundant on the 4th quarter drive that ended in a missed field goal, when we should have gone for it.   It was too far for a field goal in those conditions.    Frankly this year UWW could not get out of its own way on offense.

It is a fair point that we do not know for certain that that UWO will do well against some of the best offenses in the country. I guess we'll just have to wait and see on that one. 

As for this UWO didn't make adjustments business: as I posted before on this same thing Cerroni said in an interview that they got conservative in the 3rd and then opened up the blitz in the 4th and that led to the turn around. If changing blitz schemes isn't an adjustment then I don't know what is.

One last thing, in regards to the part of your post I bolded: I could not disagree more.

[emma17]

Hey folks as much as I just love the legalization debate raging on a discussion board dedicated to WIAC football can we please get back on track. UWO should be able to roll the next 2 weeks but when the playoffs start clearly things are going to get tougher. Is there anything you all have seen that might hurt the Titans come playoff time?

Raging debate- where?

I think uwo's offense will serve them very well against the better teams. They dont run the style of option that exposes the ball as much. Their option perfectly compliments their strong passing game. I'll be surprised if they can't score enough to win as long as the defense holds. IMO the defense is the question as you haven't seen the likes of NCC, mhb, linfield, Wesley or Mt.

Is there something specifically about the D (not fast enough, big enough, assignment sure enough) that leads you to that analysis?

I didn't mean to provide an analysis of their D as much as I am raising the point that the D hasn't been tested to the level it will be against the better offenses. UWO performed well against UWP but as you know they weren't full strength. Against UWW in the second half you certainly saw what a balanced offense might be able to do. Granted, the situation was different at that point of the game.
In summary: to this point the offense has proved itself against a legitimate national power defense in UWW.  The jury is out as to how the D will hold up against nationally powerful offenses. 
I hope for the best for UWO. Come playoff time, I'd rather have a great D and good O vs the other way around.

I agree with Emma and I posted before, that UWW moved the ball at will in the 3rd quarter against UWO.   UWO did not make any adjustments because frankly we were running the same plays before with a different QB and just not executing.   UWO really did not stop UWW, we shot ourselves in the foot.  First on a bad decision by the coaches to go for it on 4th down when we should have kicked a field goal.   We were down two scores anyway.....and then the play calling got very conservative and redundant on the 4th quarter drive that ended in a missed field goal, when we should have gone for it.   It was too far for a field goal in those conditions.    Frankly this year UWW could not get out of its own way on offense.

It is a fair point that we do not know for certain that that UWO will do well against some of the best offenses in the country. I guess we'll just have to wait and see on that one. 

As for this UWO didn't make adjustments business: as I posted before on this same thing Cerroni said in an interview that they got conservative in the 3rd and then opened up the blitz in the 4th and that led to the turn around. If changing blitz schemes isn't an adjustment then I don't know what is.

One last thing, in regards to the part of your post I bolded: I could not disagree more.

Come on now, you beat UWW on the field, so you have the big victory and last laugh.
In regard to the part of your post that I bolded- both WD and I think it was Bleed debunked the theory that UWO figured it out in the 4th quarter.  Rather than type it all out again, just go to this link and look at the drives from 3rd and 4th quarter.  http://d3football.com/seasons/2012/boxscores/20121020_c119.xml?view=plays.  Now remember, on the UWW drive that starts at 6:48 there is an incomplete pass on third down to Joe Worth.  Unfortunately for Joe, the ball was crazy accurate and well passed the first down marker, and he was VERY open- but he dropped it.  The drive that started with 11:26 left is the only series UWW was stopped by UWO's defense.  I find discussions like this to be more productive if we are all working from the same set of facts. 

[footballfan413]

The Warhawks were not the better team on the field that day.  The Titans were and won the game.  Can that option offense go deep into the play-offs, I do not know, but I saw a passing game from them that makes me think, yup, they just might.  But 02 is right.  Only a balanced offense will go deep in the play-offs. We will see if Wara and Co. can deliver.  We just need to win tomorrow and stop the bleeding!  So sorry that we will not be there because a family issue has forced us to travel.  Tear it up in the Perk tomorrow, fellow tailgaters.  I will miss you all..............

[bleedpurple]

Very disappointing.  While a school cannot be responsible for choices their students make, this kind of publicity is not anything a program wants. 

While I don't agree with this over simplification of UWW athletes, the UWW administration, for at least a short time, will have to work on a public perception problem that they are home to thieves, thugs, and druggies. Hopefully there won't be another incident and they can get this behind them.  We all know these type of things also happen in the general student population and those events aren't considered newsworthy.  Success comes with a cost.

Really?  We have over 10,000 students on campus and hundreds and hundreds of student-athletes.   The problems of one or two should, in no way, be allowed to cast a shadow over the vast majority of UWW students and athletes.  Don't make me start a google search about bad behavior regarding other schools and programs.................

footballfan413:  Don't get your panties in a bunch.  We all agree on this matter.  Read what was written.

I'm going to get right to it on this one.  Not used to 413 being treated like this on this board and I'm not liking it. IMHO you owe 413 an apology Warthog. 

Hey purple, 
You boys lose three games and get real thin skinned already?    Warty is a good hog.
things will get better and life will go on..   purple or PURPLE..

I think bleedpurple and FF413 would have responded to "Warty" that way regardless of UWW's record.

I'll gladly apologize to FF413 as soon as I figure out what was offensive.  I basically agreed what most people were writing:

1) It is an unfortunate incident
2) It isn't representative of the university
3) It becomes a public relations problem since the accused is a high profile student/athlete
4) It is a short term problem
5) It wouldn't be a headline if someone in the history club was arrested

If there was anything beyond that read into the post it was unintentional.

Don't sweat it, WH.  No apology needed.  BP usually has his tongue-in-cheek with most of his posts, anyway. All these boys are great friends of mine and I know they always have my back.  One of my defenders was a Mount Union poster, BTW.  But everyone of them also know, very well, that I can take care of myself.  Now, about the possibility of reporting you for sexual harassment................that is is still on the table.   

Sorry I wasn't on earlier in the day to respond to this.  I definitely like the turn in later posts back to the football posts.  For the record, it was definitely the panty comment (this will also be the last time I type "panty", God willing  ) that I reacted to.  I know 413 can take care of herself, but she's right, we do have her back.    And without a doubt, I would have posted this regardless of record.  I've posted far more abrasive posts during the winning streak.    I don't doubt WH is a good guy. My issue was with what he typed on that one occasion to my buddy, not who he is.  If it's all good for 413, it's all good. 

Enjoy Saturday, everyone!

[UMUplayerdad]

Very disappointing.  While a school cannot be responsible for choices their students make, this kind of publicity is not anything a program wants. 

While I don't agree with this over simplification of UWW athletes, the UWW administration, for at least a short time, will have to work on a public perception problem that they are home to thieves, thugs, and druggies. Hopefully there won't be another incident and they can get this behind them.  We all know these type of things also happen in the general student population and those events aren't considered newsworthy.  Success comes with a cost.

Really?  We have over 10,000 students on campus and hundreds and hundreds of student-athletes.   The problems of one or two should, in no way, be allowed to cast a shadow over the vast majority of UWW students and athletes.  Don't make me start a google search about bad behavior regarding other schools and programs.................

footballfan413:  Don't get your panties in a bunch.  We all agree on this matter.  Read what was written.

Programs seem to be placed more and more under the microscope as they become successful. If this happened to Whitewater 10 years ago, very few DIII fans (outside the WIAC) would have bat an eye at the news of a former UWW player getting busted for drugs. I guarantee the warthogs, the D.O.C.s, the HSCoachs wouldn't have wasted their time posting here about it.

I repectfully disagree-one of our ex-UMU players(played last year) got himself in a worse mess than your guy did and several posts were made regarding said offense on our board.  I agree its not earth shattering news.... kinda gossipy to make a big deal out of it, but its just a downside of the internet and all the instant media coverage. I am so old I remember when it took 2 days to get game info/box scores when my yankees played los angles angels     now 20 minutes after the game there's a news conference live on tv with microphones shoved in everyone's faces

What exactly are you disagreeing with? You almost seem to be agreeing with my point that successful programs are more scrutinized than less successful programs

ok point taken     after a player has run out of eligibilty  most d3 programs let it go..... if your stud RB had been involed n that the last 2 years?  and i dont know or care  y'all might wanna might wannaa rethink who the natl rings should belong to tho

[HScoach]

^  the way that message is typed, I think Dad has been hitting the brownies too.

[retagent]

It's good to see that all fans engage in the "What if" or "if only" when it seems that there are some close games that don't go your way, it's always tempting to say those two phrases. I know that in golf it's the same way -as I am told so often by my playing partners - and one rarely goes back when it goes the other way. How many of us have said, "we should really have been 5 -3", when we're 8 - 0, and have had some fortuitous bounces, or good luck? Not many - me included.

[02 Warhawk]

Hey.....whitewater wins

[02 Warhawk]

I thought for sure Brekke would see the field being senior day and all....but I guess not. Behrendt still has a lot to learn, starting with not throwing the ball to the other team.

The defense filled up the box score. 7 sacks, 12 tackles for loss, forced fumble and an int. McLin got another pick...he's going to be something special the next couple of years.

Emma: you'll be happy to see that kindler went 4-4 on FGs, and punting duties was left exclusively to Gardener today. Although UWW only punted once