FB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[badgerwarhawk]

What is the limit for seating capacity in small college football? 

[jknezek]

More importantly, small college football has nothing to do with DIII. It is simply a term that is used to describe any college football outside FBS and FCS in the media, and sometimes even includes FCS and non-BCS AQ FBS schools. So "small college" truly means nothing to the NCAA, and definitely means nothing in regards to DIII.

DIII is a big tent operation. That may or may not be to your liking, but the rules seem to satisfy the member institutions, otherwise they are free to once again consider the badly failed DIV concept...

[badgerwarhawk]

Check out this video....

http://footballscoop.com/news/10708-video-qb-gets-pranked-and-has-an-interesting-reaction

[footballfan413]

Much like Lambeau Field, increased security procedures will take place on game days at UW-Whitewater's Perkins Stadium this season.

Expect security and parking changes at the Perk

http://www.uww.edu/news/archive/2013-08-perkins-security?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

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What's the changes?

UW-Whitewater Police tweeted the security measures yesterday.  For some reason the link no longer works. As far as what the changes are..... As BadgerWarhawk recently posted:  One change is that no one will be allowed to park on the hill behind the stadium.  Instead we are being assigned spots in the stadium parking lot which will mean that there are fewer spots available to the general public.  There were probably 20-25 cars parking on the hill.

Last night's tweet indicated carts will be utilized to assist the elderly, handicapped up the hill.

Much like Lambeau, fans can also expect searches as they enter the stadium gates.

Do Badger fans go through such security measures as they enter Camp Randle?

Do Badger fans go through such security measures as they enter Camp Randle?

Yes

Camp Randall/Wisconsin

Although I have lived in IL since I was 12, I was never a fan of U of IL or Northwestern. Over the last 30+ years my Wisconsin wife, her 5 siblings, and my/our 15 nieces/nephews have turned me into a Wis fan. Last year we had a family weekend in Madison including a football game. Security at Camp Randall was very tight. While they did not check the person/body too closely, anything brought in was subject to intense search. Also, students and those under 30 were looked at much more closely than us old guys. Hey, while I can't/wouldn't want to be able to drink as much as the kids, my powers of concealment far outdistance the youngsters. 
Tightest security I've ever seen was at a Bears-Vikings game at the Metrodome. Got in the back of one of the entry/security check lines 45-50 minutes before kickoff. Got to our seats 2-3 minutes before kickoff. Wondered if someone had spray painted "Al-Quida" on the back of my jacket or something. 

Perkins Stadium

A Division 3 football stadium seating 13,500. I'm sorry, but this really stretches the boundary when it comes to  UWW being referred to as "small" college football, the fact that athletic scholarships aren't given, notwithstanding. Blanchard/Bears

Bears analyst Hub Arkush advised today that he expects that neither of the 2 QBs who will play for the Bears tonight will remain on the roster past this Saturday. If so, hopefully this bodes well for Matt Blanchard to later reappear on the practice squad after the 10th game. He already knows the offense so they wouldn't have to teach it to whatever new guy they might bring in. 

What does the number of seats in a stadium have to do with squat???  Let's stick to using a measuring stick a little more appropriate when comparing D-3 football programs and deciding, arbitrarily, which ones qualify as, "small college football."  Hmmmm, let me think.......how about roster sizes?  You know, actual number of football players in the program and on the field. 

[AndOne]

What does the number of seats in a stadium have to do with squat???  Let's stick to using a measuring stick a little more appropriate when comparing D-3 football programs and deciding, arbitrarily, which ones qualify as, "small college football." Hmmmm, let me think.......how about roster sizes?  You know, actual number of football players in the program and on the field.

footballfan413-

1. First, allow me to extend my thanks for your temperate response.
2. You want to use roster size as a measuring stick? Fine. How many schools do you think have fewer men on the roster and/or field than UWW--or most other state schools, or any private school of over 6-7,000 students. I mean really?
3. All things being relative, how can a school having an enrollment approx. 4 times that of most other schools in the same division, and having a stadium over 2 times the size of most other schools and, I believe, the largest capacity in D3, be considered "small" in relation to other schools in the division?
4. Most "small" schools charge admission for football and men's and woman's basketball, and perhaps 1 or 2 other sports. UWW charges for baseball, football, men's basketball, women's basketball, volleyball, men's soccer, women's soccer, women's gymnastics, women's swimming, men's swimming, wrestling, and indoor track-12 in total. Is this the mark of a "small" D3 school?

You asked for the use of "appropriate" units of measure in the comparison of true "small" college programs as compared to larger programs within the D3 framework. Hopefully, you feel I've done that or you at least accept that we can agree to disagree. 

UWW and other schools of the same size enrollment, stadium size, roster size, and funding are certainly "small" in comparison to schools like those in the Big Ten, but they're large in comparison to other truly small D3 schools. Thats all I'm saying.

* No intent to pick on UWW. I just went that way as the original discussion centered on Perkins Stadium. 
Bring back Matt Blanchard! 

[Pat Coleman]

2. You want to use roster size as a measuring stick? Fine. How many schools do you think have fewer men on the roster and/or field than UWW--or most other state schools, or any private school of over 6-7,000 students. I mean really?

A1 -- if you have purchased Kickoff you can see for yourself about roster sizes. UWW brought 130 to camp; North Central brought 140.

Because of conference rule, UWW won't keep more than 100 of them. How many will North Central have on the roster this year?

Division III isn't the division of small schools, it's the division of non-scholarship athletic programs.

By the way, at 2,490 full-time undergraduates, North Central sits above the average and well above the median for D-III school size. In fact, North Central is the 70th largest. Should you move up as well?

[Mr. Ypsi]

2. You want to use roster size as a measuring stick? Fine. How many schools do you think have fewer men on the roster and/or field than UWW--or most other state schools, or any private school of over 6-7,000 students. I mean really?

A1 -- if you have purchased Kickoff you can see for yourself about roster sizes. UWW brought 130 to camp; North Central brought 140.

Because of conference rule, UWW won't keep more than 100 of them. How many will North Central have on the roster this year?

Division III isn't the division of small schools, it's the division of non-scholarship athletic programs.

By the way, at 2,490 full-time undergraduates, North Central sits above the average and well above the median for D-III school size. In fact, North Central is the 70th largest. Should you move up as well?

Nah - it took us a while, but the CCIW eventually overtook Augustana in the 80s.  We'll take NCC down a peg or two one of these years!   (And North Central certainly hasn't risen to the level Augie once (4 times?) achieved.)

[02 Warhawk]

What does the number of seats in a stadium have to do with squat???  Let's stick to using a measuring stick a little more appropriate when comparing D-3 football programs and deciding, arbitrarily, which ones qualify as, "small college football." Hmmmm, let me think.......how about roster sizes?  You know, actual number of football players in the program and on the field.

footballfan413-

1. First, allow me to extend my thanks for your temperate response.
2. You want to use roster size as a measuring stick? Fine. How many schools do you think have fewer men on the roster and/or field than UWW--or most other state schools, or any private school of over 6-7,000 students. I mean really?
3. All things being relative, how can a school having an enrollment approx. 4 times that of most other schools in the same division, and having a stadium over 2 times the size of most other schools and, I believe, the largest capacity in D3, be considered "small" in relation to other schools in the division?
4. Most "small" schools charge admission for football and men's and woman's basketball, and perhaps 1 or 2 other sports. UWW charges for baseball, football, men's basketball, women's basketball, volleyball, men's soccer, women's soccer, women's gymnastics, women's swimming, men's swimming, wrestling, and indoor track-12 in total. Is this the mark of a "small" D3 school?

You asked for the use of "appropriate" units of measure in the comparison of true "small" college programs as compared to larger programs within the D3 framework. Hopefully, you feel I've done that or you at least accept that we can agree to disagree. 

UWW and other schools of the same size enrollment, stadium size, roster size, and funding are certainly "small" in comparison to schools like those in the Big Ten, but they're large in comparison to other truly small D3 schools. Thats all I'm saying.

* No intent to pick on UWW. I just went that way as the original discussion centered on Perkins Stadium. 
Bring back Matt Blanchard! 

How many times do we have to explain to people that enrollment size has very little to do with success in college sports Especially in a conference where there's a roster size limit.

This really gets tiring after awhile...seriously.

A1 -- if you have purchased Kickoff you can see for yourself about roster sizes. UWW brought 130 to camp; North Central brought 140.

Because of conference rule, UWW won't keep more than 100 of them. How many will North Central have on the roster this year?

Answer: All of them...if not most of them.

[voice]

Training Camp winds up today for UW-Whitewater and the other small college football teams in the WIAC. The process then will begin where coaching staffs face the task of having to cut players to meet the WIAC mandate of a 100 player regular season roster.  On this morning's KOOL 106.5 UW-Whitewater Training Camp Report Lance Leipold talks about the difficulty for both player and coach on notification that "you've worked your butt off in training  camp but......

http://940wfaw.com/pages/6577869.php

[footballfan413]

What does the number of seats in a stadium have to do with squat???  Let's stick to using a measuring stick a little more appropriate when comparing D-3 football programs and deciding, arbitrarily, which ones qualify as, "small college football." Hmmmm, let me think.......how about roster sizes?  You know, actual number of football players in the program and on the field.

footballfan413-

1. First, allow me to extend my thanks for your temperate response.
2. You want to use roster size as a measuring stick? Fine. How many schools do you think have fewer men on the roster and/or field than UWW--or most other state schools, or any private school of over 6-7,000 students. I mean really?
3. All things being relative, how can a school having an enrollment approx. 4 times that of most other schools in the same division, and having a stadium over 2 times the size of most other schools and, I believe, the largest capacity in D3, be considered "small" in relation to other schools in the division?
4. Most "small" schools charge admission for football and men's and woman's basketball, and perhaps 1 or 2 other sports. UWW charges for baseball, football, men's basketball, women's basketball, volleyball, men's soccer, women's soccer, women's gymnastics, women's swimming, men's swimming, wrestling, and indoor track-12 in total. Is this the mark of a "small" D3 school?

You asked for the use of "appropriate" units of measure in the comparison of true "small" college programs as compared to larger programs within the D3 framework. Hopefully, you feel I've done that or you at least accept that we can agree to disagree. 

UWW and other schools of the same size enrollment, stadium size, roster size, and funding are certainly "small" in comparison to schools like those in the Big Ten, but they're large in comparison to other truly small D3 schools. Thats all I'm saying.

* No intent to pick on UWW. I just went that way as the original discussion centered on Perkins Stadium. 
Bring back Matt Blanchard! 

First of all, forgive me for using the, "rolling eyes," icon in my reponse.  It was not necessary but as 02, explained very well, it does get tiring.  And as usual, Pat did a much better job than I would have at explaining and backing up my point.
   You are right, we will certainly have to agree to disagree regarding a proper measuring stick for what constitutes a, "small college football," program.  You can stick to everything that surrounds a program like the stadium size, school enrollment, and sporting event charges,?? (wanted to put an, "eye rolling," icon here but restrained myself,)  and I will stick to the actual numbers of players in the program and the fact that they all pay for free, (if we ignore the elephant in the room that is private school academic scholarships,) at the D-3 level and that is all that matters.  We have 100 shots at putting the best team possible on the field and many, many other programs at this level have 30-40%, or in Mounts case, 100% more shots at it with their 200+ roster every year.  But hey, their stadium only seats 5,600 so, by your definition, the Raiders have a much smaller football program than UWW. 
But we definitely can agree on one thing. BRING BACK MATT BLANCHARD!!!

[retagent]

AndOne - If you haven't already figured it out, our UWW (and by extension) WIAC posters, have a real thin skin about some things. My advice - Never, never, never, question them about things, even if that's not really what you are doing, about their place in the college Universe, advantages they may, or may not have, due to their "Public school" status, and maybe a couple other things I will let you find out for yourself.

That being said, PC was spot on with his comments regarding what D III is.

[footballfan413]

AndOne - If you haven't already figured it out, our UWW (and by extension) WIAC posters, have a real thin skin about some things. My advice - Never, never, never, question them about things, even if that's not really what you are doing, about their place in the college Universe, advantages they may, or may not have, due to their "Public school" status, and maybe a couple other things I will let you find out for yourself.

That being said, PC was spot on with his comments regarding what D III is.

You are right, retagent.  We should just remain quiet when a poster comes on our board and fires the first shot with a complaint about UWW's, "place in the college Universe."  But then, what would be the fun in that?     

[emma17]

Since this started as a security discussion- I reckon none of our opinions matter on the definitions.  The only opinion that matters is that of the sick sob doing the plotting.

With that morbid thought released from my innards, I feel I'm ready to talk football. 
-Jordan Palmer looked good last night. He had a lot more protection upfront- and therefore better opportunity to make throws. Good for the Bears, not sure how this will impact Matt.

-By all projections the WIAC is a 3 team race. Maybe someone can run a trifecta pool?

[badgerwarhawk]

No one gave two hoots in hell what level we were playing at until we started to win.  Since then it's the same old stuff every year.  Though I have to admit stadium capacity and what sports we charge admission for are new.  I don't think I've heard them before at least not a year in year out basis. 

If the venue's seating capacity determines who is playing small college sports is Hope College playing small college basketball?  Their facility is easily two to four times larger than anything we have in our league.   

[02 Warhawk]

-Jordan Palmer looked good last night. He had a lot more protection upfront- and therefore better opportunity to make throws. Good for the Bears, not sure how this will impact Matt.

Palmer was cut.

Bears only have 2 QBs on their roster