FB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[AO]

Actually

I wonder how all three unbeated WIAC teams; UWW, UWO and UWP would do against Bethel and North Central, since the MIAC and the CCIW are often considered two of the top conferences.    Out of those six games how many would the WIAC win?

WHD

Very tough to say....maybe 3-3. For some reason Bethel was never a team that really scared me. I went to the Oshkosh/Bethel game last year in the playoffs, and Oshkosh just destroyed them.

The correct answer is zero.  Bethel has improved quite a bit since last season.  They also had a funny way of being destroyed considering they led at the half.  Surely then you'd also say Oshkosh was destroyed the next week by the currently 6th place MIAC team.  Down 21-0 after the first quarter.  The WIAC's reign of terror is over.  It might start up again in the future, but as of now, the d3 poll doesn't lie.

[02 Warhawk]

Actually

I wonder how all three unbeated WIAC teams; UWW, UWO and UWP would do against Bethel and North Central, since the MIAC and the CCIW are often considered two of the top conferences.    Out of those six games how many would the WIAC win?

WHD

Very tough to say....maybe 3-3. For some reason Bethel was never a team that really scared me. I went to the Oshkosh/Bethel game last year in the playoffs, and Oshkosh just destroyed them.

The correct answer is zero.  Bethel has improved quite a bit since last season.  They also had a funny way of being destroyed considering they led at the half.  Surely then you'd also say Oshkosh was destroyed the next week by the currently 6th place MIAC team.  Down 21-0 after the first quarter.  The WIAC's reign of terror is over.  It might start up again in the future, but as of now, the d3 poll doesn't lie.

A 23 points win, and they held Bethel to .8 yards per carry that game. Oshkosh defense had 13 tackles for loss, 3 sacks and 3 interceptions that day. So, yes....destroyed is correct.

Is this guy for real?

[AO]

Actually

I wonder how all three unbeated WIAC teams; UWW, UWO and UWP would do against Bethel and North Central, since the MIAC and the CCIW are often considered two of the top conferences.    Out of those six games how many would the WIAC win?

WHD

Very tough to say....maybe 3-3. For some reason Bethel was never a team that really scared me. I went to the Oshkosh/Bethel game last year in the playoffs, and Oshkosh just destroyed them.

The correct answer is zero.  Bethel has improved quite a bit since last season.  They also had a funny way of being destroyed considering they led at the half.  Surely then you'd also say Oshkosh was destroyed the next week by the currently 6th place MIAC team.  Down 21-0 after the first quarter.  The WIAC's reign of terror is over.  It might start up again in the future, but as of now, the d3 poll doesn't lie.

A 23 points win, and they held Bethel to .8 yards per carry that game. Oshkosh defense had 13 tackles for loss, 3 sacks and 3 interceptions that day. So, yes....destroyed is correct.

Is this guy for real?

I will say the WIAC top 3 would go 3-0 against Hobart.  East coast=Weak Coast.

[D3MAFAN]

Actually

I wonder how all three unbeated WIAC teams; UWW, UWO and UWP would do against Bethel and North Central, since the MIAC and the CCIW are often considered two of the top conferences.    Out of those six games how many would the WIAC win?

WHD

Very tough to say....maybe 3-3. For some reason Bethel was never a team that really scared me. I went to the Oshkosh/Bethel game last year in the playoffs, and Oshkosh just destroyed them.

The correct answer is zero.  Bethel has improved quite a bit since last season.  They also had a funny way of being destroyed considering they led at the half.  Surely then you'd also say Oshkosh was destroyed the next week by the currently 6th place MIAC team.  Down 21-0 after the first quarter.  The WIAC's reign of terror is over.  It might start up again in the future, but as of now, the d3 poll doesn't lie.

A 23 points win, and they held Bethel to .8 yards per carry that game. Oshkosh defense had 13 tackles for loss, 3 sacks and 3 interceptions that day. So, yes....destroyed is correct.

Is this guy for real?

I will say the WIAC top 3 would go 3-0 against Hobart.  East coast=Weak Coast.

How did Hobart come into the conversation? It was a MIAC-WIAC challenge.

[d-train]

The correct answer is zero.

Is this guy for real?

He kinda reminds me of Dana Carvey's John McLaughlin:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6sdVx5gQz6w

[AO]

How did Hobart come into the conversation? It was a MIAC-WIAC challenge.

I was attempting to argue Bethel/North Central superiority based upon the very accurate d3football.com top 25 poll, but then realized I disagreed completely with Hobart being in the top 10.

[hazzben]

A 23 points win, and they held Bethel to .8 yards per carry that game. Oshkosh defense had 13 tackles for loss, 3 sacks and 3 interceptions that day. So, yes....destroyed is correct.

Destroyed is a little strong. Bethel was an illegal formation penalty away from going up 21-0. If they don't make that error, (if and buts, I know) who knows where the game ends up. Bethel got destroyed by UST last year, they didn't get destroyed by UWO. 

But that was also a Bethel team that lost twice in the MIAC during the regular season. I was under the impression we were talking about the 2013 squads. Or did you want to compare last years UWW to this years Bethel and NCC 

[hazzben]

Before comparing the 1's vs 1's, 2's vs 2's of various conferences.....It's a debate in itself to see who the #1, #2 and #3 teams even are right now in the WIAC.

I suppose two weeks from now we'll have a better understanding.

I was just about to say the same thing. Even the MIAC is far from settled. Bethel isn't into the harbor yet. GAC is much improved, Olaf always plays us tough (though they look very down this year) and 1 loss SJU @ collegeville is no gimme.

And that's not saying anything about how you slot UST, SJU and the Cobbers. Lots of interesting football yet to be played.

[WarhawkDad]

Actually

I wonder how all three unbeated WIAC teams; UWW, UWO and UWP would do against Bethel and North Central, since the MIAC and the CCIW are often considered two of the top conferences.    Out of those six games how many would the WIAC win?

WHD

Very tough to say....maybe 3-3. For some reason Bethel was never a team that really scared me. I went to the Oshkosh/Bethel game last year in the playoffs, and Oshkosh just destroyed them.

The correct answer is zero.  Bethel has improved quite a bit since last season.  They also had a funny way of being destroyed considering they led at the half.  Surely then you'd also say Oshkosh was destroyed the next week by the currently 6th place MIAC team.  Down 21-0 after the first quarter.  The WIAC's reign of terror is over.  It might start up again in the future, but as of now, the d3 poll doesn't lie.

AO

I did not ask the question to start an on-line "whose got the biggest dog" contest.  I did it to provoke thought, analysis and discussion.   I would say a more learned approach would be to look at games played this year against common opponents and then try to extrapolate or maybe even going to the NCAA D3 stats page and have a look.    So in your zeal to down the WIAC you also decided to promote the CCIW.   

North Central beat UWL by a score of 41-24,  UWW beat LaCrosse 47-3
North Central beat UWS by a score of 41-14, UWW beat UWS 55-13

In the MIAC, Bethel beat St. Thomas by a touchdown, 28-21, but St. John's beat St. Thomas 20-18.   St. Thomas beat UWL 52-7, St. Johns barely beat Eau Claire 17-14.  UWW beat Eau Claire 42-0

I like the top three teams in the WIAC's chances.  Statistically in the NCAA stats, while I looked about 15 of them, I decided to stay with 4 for brevity sake only and the fact that because they are totals, they take into consideration many of the other stats.

so here it is:

Total Defense:  UWW 3, NCC 13, UWO 51, Bethel 68, UWP 78
Total Offense:   NCC 7, UWP 8, Bethel 30, UWO 33, UWW 40

Scoring Defense:  UWW 2, NCC 9, UWO 18, Bethel 61, UWP 89
Scoring Offense:  UWW 9, UWP 13, Bethel 19, NCC 20, UWO 42

I really love the chances of a team who gives up the second least points in the nation and scores the ninth most.   Anything can happen, but I believe a 50/50 split is the minimum number of wins from these top 3 WIAC teams against the non-WIAC teams. 

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[WarhawkDad]

A 23 points win, and they held Bethel to .8 yards per carry that game. Oshkosh defense had 13 tackles for loss, 3 sacks and 3 interceptions that day. So, yes....destroyed is correct.

Destroyed is a little strong. Bethel was an illegal formation penalty away from going up 21-0. If they don't make that error, (if and buts, I know) who knows where the game ends up. Bethel got destroyed by UST last year, they didn't get destroyed by UWO. 

But that was also a Bethel team that lost twice in the MIAC during the regular season. I was under the impression we were talking about the 2013 squads. Or did you want to compare last years UWW to this years Bethel and NCC 

Well played   

[emma17]

A 23 points win, and they held Bethel to .8 yards per carry that game. Oshkosh defense had 13 tackles for loss, 3 sacks and 3 interceptions that day. So, yes....destroyed is correct.

Destroyed is a little strong. Bethel was an illegal formation penalty away from going up 21-0. If they don't make that error, (if and buts, I know) who knows where the game ends up. Bethel got destroyed by UST last year, they didn't get destroyed by UWO. 

But that was also a Bethel team that lost twice in the MIAC during the regular season. I was under the impression we were talking about the 2013 squads. Or did you want to compare last years UWW to this years Bethel and NCC 

Well played   

Although I understand Hazz's reluctance to use info from last year's teams when comparing to this year, I also believe we shouldn't be too quick to discount prior years. If prior years don't matter, why do we track returning starters?  If prior years shouldn't inform current years, why do we care if a team has playoff experience? 
In fact, I think the selection committee just as much agreed to this when they changed their criteria the year after undefeated and defending national champion UWW didn't receive a top 4 seed in 2004 due to a weaker SOS.
Anyway my point is:
A.  Bethel 2013 is made up partly of Bethel 2012- good and bad.
B.  I'd take UWW 2012 vs Bethel 2013 and NCC 2013 any day of the week. Does that mean I think UWW would certainly win?  No. But I know that UWW would be in the game until the last seconds ticked off the clock. UWW only lacked offensive diversity- not talent and certainly not Defense in 2012.

[02 Warhawk]

A 23 points win, and they held Bethel to .8 yards per carry that game. Oshkosh defense had 13 tackles for loss, 3 sacks and 3 interceptions that day. So, yes....destroyed is correct.

Destroyed is a little strong. Bethel was an illegal formation penalty away from going up 21-0. If they don't make that error, (if and buts, I know) who knows where the game ends up. Bethel got destroyed by UST last year, they didn't get destroyed by UWO. 

But that was also a Bethel team that lost twice in the MIAC during the regular season. I was under the impression we were talking about the 2013 squads. Or did you want to compare last years UWW to this years Bethel and NCC 

Yes we are talking about this season, I just disagreed with AO that Bethel and NCC would sweep all three games against UWO, UWP and UWW. I think history suggests the WIAC has done better than good against the top teams in other conferences (i.e. the playoffs)...with last year the exception of course.

I always hear the term "monkey stomping" on these boards. Isn't that a 21+ point win? If you don't want to use the term "destroyed", we can always use monkey stomping instead.

I really don't think you want to begin comparing previous NCC and Bethel seasons to UWW's. 

[retagent]

Actually, when I initially asked the question about the WIAC Non-con record, my next play was going to start the discussion about Playoff bids, and how the power of D-III seemed to reside in the 3 state (WI-MN-IL area including then, the CCIW) The few strong clubs out of that area include UMU, Linfield, UMHB, and possibly Wesley, and a couple OAC teams, although I'm not convinced about some of those - you make the call.

[02 Warhawk]

This is fun though..I like the debates, even if my kara is getting hit hard. 

[Retired Old Rat]

Arbitrarily* starting with 2000, there have been 26 opportunities for teams to play in the Stagg Bowl.

The teams that make up the 26:

12 Mount Union
7   UWW
2   St. Johns**
1   Linfield
1   UMHB
1   Trinity
1   Bridgewater
1   St. Thomas

1 miss by UMU.  Amazing.

10 from WI and MN.

The only conference besides the OAC and WIAC with more than one is the MIAC, with 3.

12  Ohio
10  MN and WI
2   Texas
1   Oregon
1   Virginia

* Not really all that arbitrary, wanted to count SJU twice.
** Would be 3 if Roy Hampton had gone out drinking one week earlier.