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[BoBo]

^^ I was yelling at my computer screen watching the game wondering when those officials were going to call holding on Oshkosh's O-line because in my view, there was some blatant grabs not being called consistently throughout the game. That one cleverly timed photo showing #79 on UW-O holding & pulling on the jersey of John Flood confirms what I saw Saturday (even if it was just one play) - even though it was never called during the game.

Another thing that I've seen on many games this year more than any other year are ball placements - especially punts that are downed "inside" the 1 yard line. There was one against Oshkosh. The ball clearly came to a rest and was touched inches from the goal line, yet the official places that ball squarely on the 1 yard hash mark. What is the rule? Does the ball always go to the nearest hash mark by rule? Any official/someone in the know care to enlighten me.  It just looks like officials these days have a serious lack of attention to detail when it comes to ball placement.  I realize in the whole realm of things it's meaningless, but it's really beginning to bug me when I continually see this.

Number 72 on OshKosh O-line did a lot of holding and if you go through the game tape you will see him throw a punch after a play that went unnoticed by the officials. They came into the game expecting to win and got very frustrated when they were completely unable to move the ball.  All in all a superior job by the defense in spite of some of the missed calls. It could be worse...we could have SEC crews

...or PAC 12 !!

[palum]

I meant a Pioneer Stadium record crowd.  Does anyone know what the Pioneer Stadium record crowd currently is?

Voice,
On good days Platteville will draw between 5 & 6,000 I don't know the actual record for a college game but I remember over 12,000 for a Bear's scrimmage back in the 80's.  A note to WW fans last summers tornado means the visitors bleachers are brand new so if you don't mind sitting on orange & blue bleachers they are more comfortable than the old wooden bleachers.  With the Badgers @ Rutgers and the Packers with a bye this should be the best game played in Wisconsin this weekend.

[oshfb]

^^ I was yelling at my computer screen watching the game wondering when those officials were going to call holding on Oshkosh's O-line because in my view, there was some blatant grabs not being called consistently throughout the game. That one cleverly timed photo showing #79 on UW-O holding & pulling on the jersey of John Flood confirms what I saw Saturday (even if it was just one play) - even though it was never called during the game.

Another thing that I've seen on many games this year more than any other year are ball placements - especially punts that are downed "inside" the 1 yard line. There was one against Oshkosh. The ball clearly came to a rest and was touched inches from the goal line, yet the official places that ball squarely on the 1 yard hash mark. What is the rule? Does the ball always go to the nearest hash mark by rule? Any official/someone in the know care to enlighten me.  It just looks like officials these days have a serious lack of attention to detail when it comes to ball placement.  I realize in the whole realm of things it's meaningless, but it's really beginning to bug me when I continually see this.

Number 72 on Oshkosh O-line did a lot of holding and if you go through the game tape you will see him throw a punch after a play that went unnoticed by the officials. They came into the game expecting to win and got very frustrated when they were completely unable to move the ball.  All in all a superior job by the defense in spite of some of the missed calls. It could be worse...we could have SEC crews

I'm sure they came in confident. For the first time in forever UWW wasn't the toughest team they had faced (i.e. South Dakota State)

[emma17]

^^ I was yelling at my computer screen watching the game wondering when those officials were going to call holding on Oshkosh's O-line because in my view, there was some blatant grabs not being called consistently throughout the game. That one cleverly timed photo showing #79 on UW-O holding & pulling on the jersey of John Flood confirms what I saw Saturday (even if it was just one play) - even though it was never called during the game.

Another thing that I've seen on many games this year more than any other year are ball placements - especially punts that are downed "inside" the 1 yard line. There was one against Oshkosh. The ball clearly came to a rest and was touched inches from the goal line, yet the official places that ball squarely on the 1 yard hash mark. What is the rule? Does the ball always go to the nearest hash mark by rule? Any official/someone in the know care to enlighten me.  It just looks like officials these days have a serious lack of attention to detail when it comes to ball placement.  I realize in the whole realm of things it's meaningless, but it's really beginning to bug me when I continually see this.

Number 72 on Oshkosh O-line did a lot of holding and if you go through the game tape you will see him throw a punch after a play that went unnoticed by the officials. They came into the game expecting to win and got very frustrated when they were completely unable to move the ball.  All in all a superior job by the defense in spite of some of the missed calls. It could be worse...we could have SEC crews

I'm sure they came in confident. For the first time in forever UWW wasn't the toughest team they had faced (i.e. South Dakota State)

Oshfb- were you able to make the game?  I'm curious as to your thoughts on the play of the Titans compared to other games this year.
After the initial charge to open the game by UWW, I was very impressed with the UWO D- in all aspects. Not only was the D line good and quick (expected)- but I thought the LBs really filled well. Even the DBs showed tight coverage for the last 3 quarters. 
If UWO stays on their game defensively, I'll be surprised if any WIAC teams are successful running the ball against them.
The passing attacks of UWP and UWSP will give those two teams a chance though.
UWO is not your regular 3-4 team.

[MasterJedi]

^^ I was yelling at my computer screen watching the game wondering when those officials were going to call holding on Oshkosh's O-line because in my view, there was some blatant grabs not being called consistently throughout the game. That one cleverly timed photo showing #79 on UW-O holding & pulling on the jersey of John Flood confirms what I saw Saturday (even if it was just one play) - even though it was never called during the game.

Another thing that I've seen on many games this year more than any other year are ball placements - especially punts that are downed "inside" the 1 yard line. There was one against Oshkosh. The ball clearly came to a rest and was touched inches from the goal line, yet the official places that ball squarely on the 1 yard hash mark. What is the rule? Does the ball always go to the nearest hash mark by rule? Any official/someone in the know care to enlighten me.  It just looks like officials these days have a serious lack of attention to detail when it comes to ball placement.  I realize in the whole realm of things it's meaningless, but it's really beginning to bug me when I continually see this.

Number 72 on Oshkosh O-line did a lot of holding and if you go through the game tape you will see him throw a punch after a play that went unnoticed by the officials. They came into the game expecting to win and got very frustrated when they were completely unable to move the ball.  All in all a superior job by the defense in spite of some of the missed calls. It could be worse...we could have SEC crews

I'm sure they came in confident. For the first time in forever UWW wasn't the toughest team they had faced (i.e. South Dakota State)

Oshfb- were you able to make the game?  I'm curious as to your thoughts on the play of the Titans compared to other games this year.
After the initial charge to open the game by UWW, I was very impressed with the UWO D- in all aspects. Not only was the D line good and quick (expected)- but I thought the LBs really filled well. Even the DBs showed tight coverage for the last 3 quarters. 
If UWO stays on their game defensively, I'll be surprised if any WIAC teams are successful running the ball against them.
The passing attacks of UWP and UWSP will give those two teams a chance though.
UWO is not your regular 3-4 team.

I think after Kumerow got hurt and UWW pulled itself back that it helped make Oshkosh look a little better too. Don't get me wrong, that defensive front 7 was pretty darn good, but if they kept Kumerow in the game, he couldn't be covered and the doors probably would have been blown off.

[bleedpurple]

^^ I was yelling at my computer screen watching the game wondering when those officials were going to call holding on Oshkosh's O-line because in my view, there was some blatant grabs not being called consistently throughout the game. That one cleverly timed photo showing #79 on UW-O holding & pulling on the jersey of John Flood confirms what I saw Saturday (even if it was just one play) - even though it was never called during the game.

Another thing that I've seen on many games this year more than any other year are ball placements - especially punts that are downed "inside" the 1 yard line. There was one against Oshkosh. The ball clearly came to a rest and was touched inches from the goal line, yet the official places that ball squarely on the 1 yard hash mark. What is the rule? Does the ball always go to the nearest hash mark by rule? Any official/someone in the know care to enlighten me.  It just looks like officials these days have a serious lack of attention to detail when it comes to ball placement.  I realize in the whole realm of things it's meaningless, but it's really beginning to bug me when I continually see this.

Number 72 on Oshkosh O-line did a lot of holding and if you go through the game tape you will see him throw a punch after a play that went unnoticed by the officials. They came into the game expecting to win and got very frustrated when they were completely unable to move the ball.  All in all a superior job by the defense in spite of some of the missed calls. It could be worse...we could have SEC crews

I'm sure they came in confident. For the first time in forever UWW wasn't the toughest team they had faced (i.e. South Dakota State)

Oshfb- were you able to make the game?  I'm curious as to your thoughts on the play of the Titans compared to other games this year.
After the initial charge to open the game by UWW, I was very impressed with the UWO D- in all aspects. Not only was the D line good and quick (expected)- but I thought the LBs really filled well. Even the DBs showed tight coverage for the last 3 quarters. 
If UWO stays on their game defensively, I'll be surprised if any WIAC teams are successful running the ball against them.
The passing attacks of UWP and UWSP will give those two teams a chance though.
UWO is not your regular 3-4 team.

[/b]

That and the fact is the UW-O offense is, let's say, limited.  Before UW-W was ahead 24-0, UW-O ran exactly four plays that started closer than 68 yards from the UW-W goal line, with the closest being the UW-W 27.

"What the Box Score Forgot to Mention"

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[emma17]

^^ I was yelling at my computer screen watching the game wondering when those officials were going to call holding on Oshkosh's O-line because in my view, there was some blatant grabs not being called consistently throughout the game. That one cleverly timed photo showing #79 on UW-O holding & pulling on the jersey of John Flood confirms what I saw Saturday (even if it was just one play) - even though it was never called during the game.

Another thing that I've seen on many games this year more than any other year are ball placements - especially punts that are downed "inside" the 1 yard line. There was one against Oshkosh. The ball clearly came to a rest and was touched inches from the goal line, yet the official places that ball squarely on the 1 yard hash mark. What is the rule? Does the ball always go to the nearest hash mark by rule? Any official/someone in the know care to enlighten me.  It just looks like officials these days have a serious lack of attention to detail when it comes to ball placement.  I realize in the whole realm of things it's meaningless, but it's really beginning to bug me when I continually see this.

Number 72 on Oshkosh O-line did a lot of holding and if you go through the game tape you will see him throw a punch after a play that went unnoticed by the officials. They came into the game expecting to win and got very frustrated when they were completely unable to move the ball.  All in all a superior job by the defense in spite of some of the missed calls. It could be worse...we could have SEC crews

I'm sure they came in confident. For the first time in forever UWW wasn't the toughest team they had faced (i.e. South Dakota State)

Oshfb- were you able to make the game?  I'm curious as to your thoughts on the play of the Titans compared to other games this year.
After the initial charge to open the game by UWW, I was very impressed with the UWO D- in all aspects. Not only was the D line good and quick (expected)- but I thought the LBs really filled well. Even the DBs showed tight coverage for the last 3 quarters. 
If UWO stays on their game defensively, I'll be surprised if any WIAC teams are successful running the ball against them.
The passing attacks of UWP and UWSP will give those two teams a chance though.
UWO is not your regular 3-4 team.

[/b]

That and the fact is the UW-O offense is, let's say, limited.  Before UW-W was ahead 24-0, UW-O ran exactly four plays that started closer than 68 yards from the UW-W goal line, with the closest being the UW-W 27.

"What the Box Score Forgot to Mention"

www.warhawkfootball.com

Hmm. I think I'll have to take the other side of this one Bleed. IMO UWO won the second half.
Additionally, their two fourth quarter drives were important and occurred when the UWW players should have been entirely into the game.
While watching in the second half, I went from a feeling of "this one's in the bag" to "this game could turn around in a hurry" in favor of UWO.
The UWW O line struggled to block the run in a very similar manner as the did vs UMHB last year.
UWO gained significant and meaningful yardage via their ground game.

I think this was a great game for UWW to play as there is no way they should be feeling untouchable now (not saying they are). 

[voice]

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[badgerwarhawk]

I think after Kumerow got hurt and UWW pulled itself back that it helped make Oshkosh look a little better too. Don't get me wrong, that defensive front 7 was pretty darn good, but if they kept Kumerow in the game, he couldn't be covered and the doors probably would have been blown off.

With the exception of bleed I've may have followed the WARHAWKS longer than anyone here as this is my 46th season following the team and with the exception of one play, the attempted halfback option pass, the play calling in the second half of the Oshkosh game was the most conservative that I can remember.  I'm not complaining though.  I'm a bottom line guy and in my mind the game's outcome was never in doubt.  We did what we needed to do to win and what it looked like isn't relevant.   

[BoBo]

I think after Kumerow got hurt and UWW pulled itself back that it helped make Oshkosh look a little better too. Don't get me wrong, that defensive front 7 was pretty darn good, but if they kept Kumerow in the game, he couldn't be covered and the doors probably would have been blown off.

With the exception of bleed I've may have followed the WARHAWKS longer than anyone here as this is my 46th season following the team

Sorry bw, that puts you at about 1968? If so, you're probably in third by my calculations!!    You might remember the Old Main fire, but you wouldn't remember the Ed Schwager years. That was even before Coach Perk. Those were some lean years, as I remember.

[badgerwarhawk]

I think after Kumerow got hurt and UWW pulled itself back that it helped make Oshkosh look a little better too. Don't get me wrong, that defensive front 7 was pretty darn good, but if they kept Kumerow in the game, he couldn't be covered and the doors probably would have been blown off.

With the exception of bleed I've may have followed the WARHAWKS longer than anyone here as this is my 46th season following the team

Sorry bw, that puts you at about 1968? If so, you're probably in third by my calculations!!    You might remember the Old Main fire, but you wouldn't remember the Ed Schwager years. That was even before Coach Perk. Those were some lean years, as I remember.

Ok, I'm third.  In my defense I did say "may have." 
In hindsight what I probably should have said was something like "I've followed the WARHAWKS for a long time..."

[bleedpurple]

Hmm. I think I'll have to take the other side of this one Bleed. IMO UWO won the second half.
Additionally, their two fourth quarter drives were important and occurred when the UWW players should have been entirely into the game.
While watching in the second half, I went from a feeling of "this one's in the bag" to "this game could turn around in a hurry" in favor of UWO.
The UWW O line struggled to block the run in a very similar manner as the did vs UMHB last year.
UWO gained significant and meaningful yardage via their ground game.

I think this was a great game for UWW to play as there is no way they should be feeling untouchable now (not saying they are).

Actually, you bring up several points. I agree with some of them, somewhat disagree on others, and think one is ludicrous. By color:

Disagree. I'm pretty sure the second half was a 7-7 tie, which does a team trailing 17-0 at halftime very little good.

Agree. I agree they were important in that the game was still being played and UW-W players need to be in the game the entire time. I don't think the excuse of "UW-W was so far ahead" is ever a valid excuse or explanation.

Ludicrous. That was just the "Nervous Nellie" voice inside of you. Learn the voice and ignore her. They were nowhere near UW-W's goal line until trailing 24-0. They showed no big play ability. Their two drives (which I've already recognized are valid and important) both took over 5 minutes. They consisted of a combined 16 running plays and 11 passing plays! While behind 24-0 and 24-7! Oshkosh even knew it was over or they would have gone for two after their TD to crawl within 2 scores (16 pts). They didn't bother. They don't have the passing game right now to crawl out of a hole like they were in at half-time. If you were worried in the second half of that game, I'm concerned about you lasting through what we have in front of us!

Agree.

Partially agree. They found a chink on the edge and kept pounding it. UW-W didn't adjust well to it. It was meaningful in the sense that it exposed something UW-W has to address. It was significant in that it was far more yards than UW-W is used to giving up. However, it was neither meaningful nor significant in terms of giving UW-O a chance to win the game. They accomplished their second half mission. They kept the final score to being a real football score instead of an arena league blowout.


Agree. And I would add that unlike Mount or UMHB, UW-W also faced an opponent that for the second year in a row will end up helping them get better. These are the games which I point to and say, "This is why the WIAC can all take some ownership in the success of UWW. Teams come in unafraid and give us their best shot." UW-W is the better for it.

[WarhawkDad]

Hmm. I think I'll have to take the other side of this one Bleed. IMO UWO won the second half.
Additionally, their two fourth quarter drives were important and occurred when the UWW players should have been entirely into the game.
While watching in the second half, I went from a feeling of "this one's in the bag" to "this game could turn around in a hurry" in favor of UWO.
The UWW O line struggled to block the run in a very similar manner as the did vs UMHB last year.
UWO gained significant and meaningful yardage via their ground game.

I think this was a great game for UWW to play as there is no way they should be feeling untouchable now (not saying they are).

Actually, you bring up several points. I agree with some of them, somewhat disagree on others, and think one is ludicrous. By color:

Disagree. I'm pretty sure the second half was a 7-7 tie, which does a team trailing 17-0 at halftime very little good.

Agree. I agree they were important in that the game was still being played and UW-W players need to be in the game the entire time. I don't think the excuse of "UW-W was so far ahead" is ever a valid excuse or explanation.

Ludicrous. That was just the "Nervous Nellie" voice inside of you. Learn the voice and ignore her. They were nowhere near UW-W's goal line until trailing 24-0. They showed no big play ability. Their two drives (which I've already recognized are valid and important) both took over 5 minutes. They consisted of a combined 16 running plays and 11 passing plays! While behind 24-0 and 24-7! Oshkosh even knew it was over or they would have gone for two after their TD to crawl within 2 scores (16 pts). They didn't bother. They don't have the passing game right now to crawl out of a hole like they were in at half-time. If you were worried in the second half of that game, I'm concerned about you lasting through what we have in front of us!

Agree.

Partially agree. They found a chink on the edge and kept pounding it. UW-W didn't adjust well to it. It was meaningful in the sense that it exposed something UW-W has to address. It was significant in that it was far more yards than UW-W is used to giving up. However, it was neither meaningful nor significant in terms of giving UW-O a chance to win the game. They accomplished their second half mission. They kept the final score to being a real football score instead of an arena league blowout.


Agree. And I would add that unlike Mount or UMHB, UW-W also faced an opponent that for the second year in a row will end up helping them get better. These are the games which I point to and say, "This is why the WIAC can all take some ownership in the success of UWW. Teams come in unafraid and give us their best shot." UW-W is the better for it.

I agree!

[WarhawkDad]

On a more serious note regarding the UWO game, it concerned me that the execution seemed to significantly change after the Kumerow injury.    Behrendt did not play as well, the O-Line did not play as well and the play calling became way more conservative.  I know having a star/stud player can become a crutch, but this team has too many weapons to loose a mental edge that quickly.  Hopefully that is something that the coaches are working on in practice this week.

On the other hand the ever improving play of the defense has me feeling much better.    After looking at the WIAC stats page, it is apparent that UWW and UWP are 1 or 2 in every major statistical category.   So UWW needs to be firing on all cylinders on Saturday when facing UWP at home.     

WHD

[BoBo]

I think after Kumerow got hurt and UWW pulled itself back that it helped make Oshkosh look a little better too. Don't get me wrong, that defensive front 7 was pretty darn good, but if they kept Kumerow in the game, he couldn't be covered and the doors probably would have been blown off.

With the exception of bleed I've may have followed the WARHAWKS longer than anyone here as this is my 46th season following the team

Sorry bw, that puts you at about 1968? If so, you're probably in third by my calculations!!    You might remember the Old Main fire, but you wouldn't remember the Ed Schwager years. That was even before Coach Perk. Those were some lean years, as I remember.

Ok, I'm third.  In my defense I did say "may have." 
In hindsight what I probably should have said was something like "I've followed the WARHAWKS for a long time..."

No, you still win. I haven't even lived in the continueous 48 states since the late 70's and only 3 years total at all when I was at Scholfield Barracks, Hawaii in the early 90's.  You are much closer to the pulse of the Warhawks than I have ever been.  I enjoy you "insider" look at the Warhawks; bleed and voice, too. I've been on the outside looking in forever. Just a humble fan, that's what I am.