FB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[UniqueInsight38]

I would be concerned with who leaves with LL.  In the higher divisions the whole staff will follow the Head Coach to his new team.  Who will stay and who will follow?  IE Jerry Kill has the same staff from the beginning.

[jaypeter]

I've always wondered about that side of the negotiations and offers to head coaches.  Is there some sort of conversation where the potential new HC says, "If you hire me, I need to be paid $XXX,XXX but you also need to pay my assistants $XXX,XXX as well."

Does the new HC in some ways act as an agent for his assistants?

OK yeah, at some point we need to get the conversation back to Wartburg!

[jaypeter]

Not sure who will replace him, but one thing's for sure...the replacement will need to have a double initial name!

Defensive coordinator seems the likely option: Brian Borland...BB!

There you go...search over.  Would his replacement need to have the initials, "LL?"

[jknezek]

I've always wondered about that side of the negotiations and offers to head coaches.  Is there some sort of conversation where the potential new HC says, "If you hire me, I need to be paid $XXX,XXX but you also need to pay my assistants $XXX,XXX as well."

Does the new HC in some ways act as an agent for his assistants?

OK yeah, at some point we need to get the conversation back to Wartburg!

Yes. HC's generally negotiate for the budget and number of assistant coaches with their own contracts and extensions at the D1 level.

[Just Bill]

From the SI.com article...
"He's respected in the coaching community and expected to bring at least one staff member with major FBS recruiting experience."

Who on LL's staff has D-I recruiting experience?

[emma17]

Please, no exaggeration.  I did not say I thought UWO was better than NCC.  Not once did I say that.  Facts please.
Second, I realize I didn't make it clear initially.  I'm not arguing the rules per the handbook.  I'm suggesting that there is a great amount of subjectivity that can be applied.  Just like the committee subjectively gave the Pool B to TLU, when it would have been wiser to give it to Centre.  That at least leaves TLU to have to battle it out with the other Pool C candidates. 
At that point, if NCC made it over UWO, we'd not be having this conversation.

I personally believe UWO was too good of a team to be left out.
As for the out of Division 3 losses, I don't buy what you're selling.  Wesley would have a loss then and should not be number one in a bracket. 
If one non D 3 loss doesn't count, then all non D 3 losses shouldn't count.

No, they couldn't have taken Centre in pool B.  That's not the way the teams were ranked, so that wasn't even an option for the selection committee.  I'm not sure you understand the process, which makes this debate pointless.

You posted this did you not?

Wally,
Could the committee have put Centre in as the Pool B?

They could have (and would have) if the South had ranked Centre ahead of TLU.  But they didn't.  I believe there was a press release that made official that Wesley and TLU were the Pool B bids and then Centre went in through Pool C (making a little bit of history in doing so).

Does the national committee have the authority to look beyond the South's ranking and put Centre in Pool B instead?

Yes, the national committee can make adjustments to the final ranking sets before starting the selection process, but I don't think they like to do it. There may have been an adjustment there between Centre and Muhlenberg, but I don't think there would have been an adjustment to move Centre above TLU.  Centre's SOS has to go down with a spoonful of sugar, and even with the 10-0, you can make a case for them to sit behind TLU (even if I might disagree with that case). 

I'm totally with you.  I think that 70-burger that TLU gave up ought to have mattered more than it did.  I'd have to go check the archive to see how I phrased that on Saturday night.

[02 Warhawk]

From the SI.com article...
"He's respected in the coaching community and expected to bring at least one staff member with major FBS recruiting experience."

Who on LL's staff has D-I recruiting experience?

Alan Hensell (WR Coach). He was at D1-AA (FCS) member Gardner-Webb (N.C.) University before UWW.

[Just Bill]

From the SI.com article...
"He's respected in the coaching community and expected to bring at least one staff member with major FBS recruiting experience."

Who on LL's staff has D-I recruiting experience?

Alan Hensell (WR Coach). He was at D1-AA (FCS) member Gardner-Webb (N.C.) University before UWW.

That doesn't quite fit the standard of "major FBS recruiting experience" described in the article.

[badgerwarhawk]

From the SI.com article...
"He’s respected in the coaching community and expected to bring at least one staff member with major FBS recruiting experience."

Who on LL's staff has D-I recruiting experience?

Alan Hensell (WR Coach). He was at D1-AA (FCS) member Gardner-Webb (N.C.) University before UWW.

That doesn't quite fit the standard of "major FBS recruiting experience" described in the article.

Hensell was also on the coaching staffs of Ole Miss and Tennessee for several years.  He's definitely the best fit based what we've been reading. 

[Just Bill]

From the SI.com article...
"He's respected in the coaching community and expected to bring at least one staff member with major FBS recruiting experience."

Who on LL's staff has D-I recruiting experience?

Alan Hensell (WR Coach). He was at D1-AA (FCS) member Gardner-Webb (N.C.) University before UWW.

That doesn't quite fit the standard of "major FBS recruiting experience" described in the article.

Hensell was also on the coaching staffs of Ole Miss and Tennessee for several years.  He's definitely the best fit based what we've been reading.

OK then. That would fit better.

[Kira & Jaxon's Dad]

I've always wondered about that side of the negotiations and offers to head coaches.  Is there some sort of conversation where the potential new HC says, "If you hire me, I need to be paid $XXX,XXX but you also need to pay my assistants $XXX,XXX as well."

Does the new HC in some ways act as an agent for his assistants?

OK yeah, at some point we need to get the conversation back to Wartburg!

Yes. HC's generally negotiate for the budget and number of assistant coaches with their own contracts and extensions at the D1 level.

Isn't this one of the reasons Bret Bielema left Wisconsin for Arkansas?  I seem to remember reading that he kept losing Assistants because the Wisconsin University System wouldn't authorize higher salaries for his coaches.

[wally_wabash]

Also posted this, in the exact same post but apparently beyond the point where you checked out...enlarged and underlined for extra emphasis:

Please, no exaggeration.  I did not say I thought UWO was better than NCC.  Not once did I say that.  Facts please.
Second, I realize I didn't make it clear initially.  I'm not arguing the rules per the handbook.  I'm suggesting that there is a great amount of subjectivity that can be applied.  Just like the committee subjectively gave the Pool B to TLU, when it would have been wiser to give it to Centre.  That at least leaves TLU to have to battle it out with the other Pool C candidates. 
At that point, if NCC made it over UWO, we'd not be having this conversation.

I personally believe UWO was too good of a team to be left out.
As for the out of Division 3 losses, I don't buy what you're selling.  Wesley would have a loss then and should not be number one in a bracket. 
If one non D 3 loss doesn't count, then all non D 3 losses shouldn't count.

No, they couldn't have taken Centre in pool B.  That's not the way the teams were ranked, so that wasn't even an option for the selection committee.  I'm not sure you understand the process, which makes this debate pointless.

You posted this did you not?

Wally,
Could the committee have put Centre in as the Pool B?

They could have (and would have) if the South had ranked Centre ahead of TLU.  But they didn't.  I believe there was a press release that made official that Wesley and TLU were the Pool B bids and then Centre went in through Pool C (making a little bit of history in doing so).

Does the national committee have the authority to look beyond the South's ranking and put Centre in Pool B instead?

Yes, the national committee can make adjustments to the final ranking sets before starting the selection process, but I don't think they like to do it. There may have been an adjustment there between Centre and Muhlenberg, but I don't think there would have been an adjustment to move Centre above TLU.  Centre's SOS has to go down with a spoonful of sugar, and even with the 10-0, you can make a case for them to sit behind TLU (even if I might disagree with that case).  

I'm totally with you.  I think that 70-burger that TLU gave up ought to have mattered more than it did.  I'd have to go check the archive to see how I phrased that on Saturday night.

Bottom line with the Centre and TLU situation was that despite Centre's 10-0 record, their SOS was so poor that the South RAC elected to keep TLU ranked ahead based on a superior SOS and RRO results.  It's not the way I would have done it, but I totally get it.  And I don't think that the nits to pick with that order of ranking are significant enough for the national committee to have overruled the South RAC and reorder their rankings.  Ranking TLU ahead of Centre is completely justifiable. 

[jknezek]

I've always wondered about that side of the negotiations and offers to head coaches.  Is there some sort of conversation where the potential new HC says, "If you hire me, I need to be paid $XXX,XXX but you also need to pay my assistants $XXX,XXX as well."

Does the new HC in some ways act as an agent for his assistants?

OK yeah, at some point we need to get the conversation back to Wartburg!

Yes. HC's generally negotiate for the budget and number of assistant coaches with their own contracts and extensions at the D1 level.

Isn't this one of the reasons Bret Bielema left Wisconsin for Arkansas?  I seem to remember reading that he kept losing Assistants because the Wisconsin University System wouldn't authorize higher salaries for his coaches.

That was one of his quoted reasons, yes.

[hazzben]

If they went outside the program, I'd think Eric Raeburn would be a solid candidate. He's done a really nice job at Coe and Wabash and seems to really have a desire to win a national title. Wabash is a nice setup, but it's not UWW. And he's obviously not going to go back to Mount now that VK is in place.

And wouldn't that make for some intriguing rivalry fodder between Mount and Whitewater! Ok, I officially want this to happen, for no other reason

And Wally and Emma...while the debate is fun to watch (or was a couple days ago anyways  ), your points don't get better the larger the letters and more frequent the underlines

[badgerwarhawk]

That was one of the things Bielema brought up in explaining his decision.  But I think the main reason Bielma left was that he sought the limelight of the SEC and knew it would never happen at Wisconsin. 

I just wish the timing of all of this could have been different. I'm happy for him and his family.  He has aspirations of moving up and this is an opportunity he felt too good to pass up.  I just wish it could have been worked out differently.