FB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[02 Warhawk]

Buffalo press conference at noon can be streamed here

[emma17]

If they went outside the program, I'd think Eric Raeburn would be a solid candidate. He's done a really nice job at Coe and Wabash and seems to really have a desire to win a national title. Wabash is a nice setup, but it's not UWW. And he's obviously not going to go back to Mount now that VK is in place.

And wouldn't that make for some intriguing rivalry fodder between Mount and Whitewater! Ok, I officially want this to happen, for no other reason

And Wally and Emma...while the debate is fun to watch (or was a couple days ago anyways  ), your points don't get better the larger the letters and more frequent the underlines

I am guilty of the bolded and enlarged font, sorry.  My intent wasn't to scream it, I just didn't want that part of the message to be buried.

Wally, my point.  The national committee had the flexibility to put Centre in Pool B.  As you stated in your email, the Nat Com has the authority to make adjustments.  Putting TLU in Pool B meant that one of the coveted Pool C spots would not be open for competition as it was a foregone conclusion that Centre was going in.  If you remember, there was a long thread of posts discussing the very concept that Centre could go undefeated and not get in because of their weaker schedule compared to other Pool C candidates with one or two losses.  Most agree that a 10-0 team should get in despite the reservations about their schedule.  The best way, IMO, to address this issue was for the Nat Com to utilize their authority (which you agree they have) to make adjustments and put Centre in Pool B- where they wouldn't be taking a spot from some other obvious deserving team. That would drop TLU into Pool C, which is where they belonged after they failed their regular season audition, and then all the worthy teams could have competed for all the coveted Pool C spots on merit.
     

[wally_wabash]

Wally, my point.  The national committee had the flexibility to put Centre in Pool B.  As you stated in your email, the Nat Com has the authority to make adjustments.  Putting TLU in Pool B meant that one of the coveted Pool C spots would not be open for competition as it was a foregone conclusion that Centre was going in.  If you remember, there was a long thread of posts discussing the very concept that Centre could go undefeated and not get in because of their weaker schedule compared to other Pool C candidates with one or two losses.  Most agree that a 10-0 team should get in despite the reservations about their schedule.  The best way, IMO, to address this issue was for the Nat Com to utilize their authority (which you agree they have) to make adjustments and put Centre in Pool B- where they wouldn't be taking a spot from some other obvious deserving team. That would drop TLU into Pool C, which is where they belonged after they failed their regular season audition, and then all the worthy teams could have competed for all the coveted Pool C spots on merit.   

If there was an egregious ranking error by one of the RACs, then yes, they can adjust.  It's a power they have, but not one they like to use (it's not a great precedent for the national committee to routinely spit all over the work of these regional advisory committees...otherwise, what's the point of the regional committees?).  TLU ahead of Centre was justifiable and didn't need to be tampered with. 

But let's say that the did change those rankings and put Centre ahead of TLU and Centre went in as the second Pool B which puts TLU first in line from the south region in Pool C.  TLU was still getting in.  Too much SOS, and (probably) a win against a RRO.  They were getting in in either case.  So the same teams make the tournament whether Centre goes in via B or via C.  Net change of zero. 

My favorite part of all of this is that none of it has any influence whatsoever on UWO.  UWO got jumped by St. Thomas in the West.  If you've got beef, it needs to be there in the West.  Not with the South's rankings. 

[retagent]

I'm with Hazz on the back and forth. I also think you two are arguing different viewpoints. Wally is looking at what happened, and trying to determine the process that got us there. He can see a rationality to it, and is OK with it, even if it does not comport perfectly with his thinking. emma has an end he wants to get to (with his admitted biases playing a big part) and wil argue any little thing to get everyone to think his way. It's never going to resolve, since you're both arguing slightly different things. Please let it go.

On another note, I know I have given grief to those who take great exception when anyone questions the invincibility of almighty UWW. But, even I was a little miffed at the way LL was characterized in a report I heard on WTMJ. Leipold was described as "one of the most successful coaches in the state. "One of"? "The state"?   How about, unless I'm mistaken, the most successful football coach in the country over the last 8 years.

[WarhawkDad]

Wally, my point.  The national committee had the flexibility to put Centre in Pool B.  As you stated in your email, the Nat Com has the authority to make adjustments.  Putting TLU in Pool B meant that one of the coveted Pool C spots would not be open for competition as it was a foregone conclusion that Centre was going in.  If you remember, there was a long thread of posts discussing the very concept that Centre could go undefeated and not get in because of their weaker schedule compared to other Pool C candidates with one or two losses.  Most agree that a 10-0 team should get in despite the reservations about their schedule.  The best way, IMO, to address this issue was for the Nat Com to utilize their authority (which you agree they have) to make adjustments and put Centre in Pool B- where they wouldn't be taking a spot from some other obvious deserving team. That would drop TLU into Pool C, which is where they belonged after they failed their regular season audition, and then all the worthy teams could have competed for all the coveted Pool C spots on merit.   

If there was an egregious ranking error by one of the RACs, then yes, they can adjust.  It's a power they have, but not one they like to use (it's not a great precedent for the national committee to routinely spit all over the work of these regional advisory committees...otherwise, what's the point of the regional committees?).  TLU ahead of Centre was justifiable and didn't need to be tampered with. 

But let's say that the did change those rankings and put Centre ahead of TLU and Centre went in as the second Pool B which puts TLU first in line from the south region in Pool C.  TLU was still getting in.  Too much SOS, and (probably) a win against a RRO.  They were getting in in either case.  So the same teams make the tournament whether Centre goes in via B or via C.  Net change of zero. 

My favorite part of all of this is that none of it has any influence whatsoever on UWO.  UWO got jumped by St. Thomas in the West.  If you've got beef, it needs to be there in the West.  Not with the South's rankings.

I would like to make a motion that this discussion be concluded.  It is now becoming circular with no end in site.  There is much more going on that I think we should focus on, not to mention quarterfinal games. 

WHD

[KitchenSink]

SECONDED!!

[02 Warhawk]

I listened to Pat and Keith's podcast this morning, and I learned Wartburg's FG unit might be even worse off than UWW's. If that's the case, then WOW! Because UWW's is a FAR cry from previous seasons.

We should have an over/under on FG/XT points missed this weekend in Whitewater. 

[Craft_Beermeister]

If they went outside the program, I'd think Eric Raeburn would be a solid candidate. He's done a really nice job at Coe and Wabash and seems to really have a desire to win a national title. Wabash is a nice setup, but it's not UWW. And he's obviously not going to go back to Mount now that VK is in place.

And wouldn't that make for some intriguing rivalry fodder between Mount and Whitewater! Ok, I officially want this to happen, for no other reason

And Wally and Emma...while the debate is fun to watch (or was a couple days ago anyways  ), your points don't get better the larger the letters and more frequent the underlines

WOW 
Erik Raeburn is Vince Kehres' cousin.  His uncle Larry Kehres mentored him and was instrumental in encouraging Erik after 6 years as an assistant coach at Mount Union to seek going out on his own when Erik took the head coach position at Coe in 2000.

[voice]

Warhawk team meeting was held at 7:30 this morning and while former UWW coach Lance Leipold is in Buffalo the Hawks focus is beating Wartburg on Saturday. The question is if LL plans on coaching here at Whitewater for the remainder of the Hawks' playoff run. What do you think?

[Just Bill]

Ain't no going back now...

http://www.ubbulls.com/landing/index

[02 Warhawk]

On a side note, I didn't realize Buffalo was a "SUNY" school. I know there are a few SUNY's in DIII.

[jknezek]

On a side note, I didn't realize Buffalo was a "SUNY" school. I know there are a few SUNY's in DIII.

There are 64 SUNY campuses ranging from 2 year schools through graduate. It is the nation's largest Public Higher Education System. It wouldn't surprise me to find SUNY campuses in every NCAA level, the NJCAA and in the NAIA. SUNY campuses tend to have quite a bit of autonomy since they are so widespread in their missions.

[02 Warhawk]

I wonder if more DIII fans are watching this press conference more than DI (buffalo) fans.

[WarhawkDad]

Staying at UWW through playoffs!!!

[02 Warhawk]

AD sounds like he's going to be staying for this season.