FB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[OzJohnnie]

I would like to point out that this question has been raised twice and is still unanswered.  Can you hear the crickets?

I believe there are many high quality coaches with D1 aspirations, from various divisions, that made the decision not to apply for the UWW job because they don't see it as a good stepping off opportunity.

I will re-pose my question to you, then.  Give us a few examples of guys you think might have fit this profile.  I really, genuinely want to know who you think these guys with D1 aspirations that chose not to apply for the UWW job are.  Vince Kehres?  Glenn Caruso? 

EDIT: Can I say that I think if any coach thinks UWW is a bad path to DI (plain meaning of "don't see it as a good stepping off opportunity") then they are nuts and have self-disqualified themselves from a job they clearly don't qualify for in the first place.  UWW is obviously and undisputedly one of a very, very small handful of DIII schools that could possibly provide a reasonable DI career path, as opposed to DI-bound coaches building a school into a resume which you could argue was LL's path in reality anyway.

Instead, may I suggest that emma was trying to say that UWW does not represent a 'better' stepping off opportunity than the one they are currently in.  Kehres could clearly argue this and St Glenn is delusional enough to believe it as well.

emma, please choose one of the following options:

A) "Yes, that's what I was meaning.  Thanks, Oz, you're swell and not a douchebag at all."

B) "Actually, your point about building a school into a resume is a good one and I like that better now as it still kind of applies to what I was arguing.  Still no douchebag."

C) "No, I actually mean that UWW is a bad way to get to DI unless you are specifically LL and no other person.  I enjoy torturing neighborhood pets, I'm all outta Clozapine, and you're still a douchebag."

[wally_wabash]

Not to deviate from the extremely entertaining banter between Emma and Wally. Does anyone know when the powers to be will announce the new head coach?

I can't imagine that this stretches out beyond EOB Friday.  There are four coaches and four other programs in the wind on this...not that UWW owes anybody anything, but I would think that some professional courtesy comes into play.  I'm thinking that a decision has either been made today or will be made early tomorrow, with a day of buffer to let whoever the choice is square things away with his current employer and an official announcement/intro on Friday.  Unless the choice is Bullis in which case they may announce as soon as they draft a release as that's just a matter of scrubbing the interim title he currently holds.  Not to say that Bullis wouldn't be announced Friday, just that they wouldn't necessarily have to wait an extra day if it is. 

[Joe Wally]

Not to deviate from the extremely entertaining banter between Emma and Wally. Does anyone know when the powers to be will announce the new head coach? Hasbeen I totally agree with you about a certain coach being disliked by the administration and staff. You can also add some powerful boosters to that list that disliked him as well.

Let's please get this done!  I need to know if my alma mater has to start a coaching search.

[dachampishere]

The media members who were at the open forum felt that the press conference would be early next week. As I recall last time decision was made thursday night a gag order was put on the football staff by the chancellor and the press conference was the following week. Although everyone knew who got the job because of certain people not adhering to the gag order mainly the guy from UWW that didn't get it. I don't think we have to worry about that this time.
As coach Bullis said they will hire the right guy whether he got the job or not, and that's the most important thing in the situation.

[voice]

UW-Whitewater student newspaper The Royal Purple today endorsed Kevin Bullis to be next UW-Whitewater football head football coach
http://royalpurplenews.com/?p=15594

[emma17]

I would like to point out that this question has been raised twice and is still unanswered.  Can you hear the crickets?

I believe there are many high quality coaches with D1 aspirations, from various divisions, that made the decision not to apply for the UWW job because they don't see it as a good stepping off opportunity.

I will re-pose my question to you, then.  Give us a few examples of guys you think might have fit this profile.  I really, genuinely want to know who you think these guys with D1 aspirations that chose not to apply for the UWW job are.  Vince Kehres?  Glenn Caruso? 

EDIT: Can I say that I think if any coach thinks UWW is a bad path to DI (plain meaning of "don't see it as a good stepping off opportunity") then they are nuts and have self-disqualified themselves from a job they clearly don't qualify for in the first place.  UWW is obviously and undisputedly one of a very, very small handful of DIII schools that could possibly provide a reasonable DI career path, as opposed to DI-bound coaches building a school into a resume which you could argue was LL's path in reality anyway.

Instead, may I suggest that emma was trying to say that UWW does not represent a 'better' stepping off opportunity than the one they are currently in.  Kehres could clearly argue this and St Glenn is delusional enough to believe it as well.

emma, please choose one of the following options:

A) "Yes, that's what I was meaning.  Thanks, Oz, you're swell and not a douchebag at all."

B) "Actually, your point about building a school into a resume is a good one and I like that better now as it still kind of applies to what I was arguing.  Still no douchebag."

C) "No, I actually mean that UWW is a bad way to get to DI unless you are specifically LL and no other person.  I enjoy torturing neighborhood pets, I'm all outta Clozapine, and you're still a douchebag."

Oz, since I hate single posts that scroll forever, I'll respond in a fresh post below. 

[emma17]

Oz (and Ex),
First, let's post more of what Ex asked me- so that I can explain why I didn't take the question seriously.

Let's get one other thing straight: we probably shouldn't count guys that already have FCS or D2 head coaching jobs because they're already closer to D1 head coaching than the UWW position is.  So I want some specific examples of FCS/D2 assistants, or D3 coaches of any kind, with semi-realistic D1 aspirations that chose not to apply for the UWW job because they don't see it as a good stepping off opportunity.  Preferably guys that would have drawn more than a passing glance, too.  As I said earlier, I'm sure the second-year defensive coordinator at (Generic 4-6 Division III Program) wants to go D1, but surely he's not a realistic finalist for the UWW job.

I know you aren't in their heads and you don't know them personally and all that.  I'm not going to call the guys and ask about their reasoning.  I just want to know who you think they are.

On one hand Ex acknowledges that I don't know them personally, but on the other hand, he states in the bolded area above that he wants specific examples of guys with semi-realistic aspirations that chose not to...

Am I to understand that my point is only valid if I can actually identify a coach by name that I think made the decision not to apply?
Wouldn't that require me knowing the coach personally? 
How in the heck can my point only be validated by providing the actual name of a coach that didn't apply? 
And if that's a valid argument from your side, I'll turn it around and ask you and all the other hard heads the same damn question.
Provide me with a specific example of a coach that applied for the UWW job because he viewed it as an excellent stepping off opportunity to D1.   
Come on Oz, come on Ex, tell me who it is. 

Oz, I don't need you to rephrase my point, I've spent enough time using precise language to phrase it time and again.  Sometimes communication errors belong to the sender.  Not this time. If you or anyone else doesn't get it, you've chosen to not accept me at my word, and rather, have read something into it that doesn't exist.   

You and many or even all other posters may believe in your heart of hearts that UWW is "obviously and undisputedly" one of the best D3 schools from which to launch a D1 HC career. 
I think it was. 
I'm not certain aspiring coaches think it still is. 
I don't necessarily think it can't happen again.
But what I absolutely believe is that there are likely many highly qualified coaches (D2 non HC's, D3 HC's and assistants) with D1 aspirations that don't believe the UWW job is the best route for them to achieve their goal.   

These are my words, they are carefully chosen.  If you want to rebut, rebut these words, not your own. 

A discerning coach understands that landing a D1 job requires the following:   
The first is that the coach must feel he has a winning story to tell.
The second is that a D1 AD has to buy into the story enough to risk his/her career by taking a D3 guy.

The new UWW only offers an aspiring D1 coach the chance to maintain greatness, it doesn't offer an aspiring D1 coach to prove he can build a program.  And a D1 AD looking to hire a new coach isn't looking for someone that has proven they can maintain. 

[oshfb]

Who knows how to post a Poll asking the audience for who is winning the argument between wally_wabash vs emma17?

My vote goes to wally_wabash 

I'll chalk this up to Titan envy.

Just having some fun!

[ExTartanPlayer]

Emma, thing is, the burden of proof here isn't on me. You have now said multiple times that "many coaches with D1 aspirations" passed on UWW because it wasn't a good stepping-off point any more, and you won't even TRY to give me an example?

I told you, I'm not gonna call the guys to verify if you're right or wrong. They wouldn't take my call anyway, they have better things to do. I'm genuinely curious who you think the "many coaches" that passed are. There are a lot of college football teams in the country. Toss a few names out. If there are "many" who passed I figure you can probably spitball at some of them.

If you can't even GUESS a few names, I just struggle to take the whole "many coaches passed" thing very seriously.

[wally_wabash]

I get that you think Leipold Andy Dufresne'd his way from Whitewater to Buffalo and then collapsed the tunnel behind him.  I just don't think that logic holds water. 

I also don't think that getting a Gene Wojceichowski piece on Gameday is the thing that gets you a job in FBS.  Winning gets you jobs.  Lots and lots of winning. 

[voice]

I got some really good news on the cancer front today. Got word today from my Oncologist that I'm making "significant" progress in my battle vs. liver cancer." maybe I can relax now and get back to taking life a day at a time!"

[voice]

I get that you think Leipold Andy Dufresne'd his way from Whitewater to Buffalo and then collapsed the tunnel behind him.  I just don't think that logic holds water. 

I also don't think that getting a Gene Wojceichowski piece on Gameday is the thing that gets you a job in FBS.  Winning gets you jobs.  Lots and lots of winning.

Wally, Are you serious??

[Mr. Ypsi]

BDB, I earlier voted for Wally.  Despite winning the poll in a landslide, he will not just graciously let the whole thing drop.  Please change my vote to 'no one'!

voice, great news on your cancer!

[wally_wabash]

I get that you think Leipold Andy Dufresne'd his way from Whitewater to Buffalo and then collapsed the tunnel behind him.  I just don't think that logic holds water. 

I also don't think that getting a Gene Wojceichowski piece on Gameday is the thing that gets you a job in FBS.  Winning gets you jobs.  Lots and lots of winning.

Wally, Are you serious??

Six championships and a 95% win rate is nice, but without a Gameday piece there is no job at Buffalo? Really? 

[bleedpurple]

bleedpurple:  Hope you are soon going to provide information on the final two coaching candidate interviews as you did on the first three.  These provide some good background and a point of view.  Thanks.

Thanks Sigma One. I appreciate it.  The fourth Finalist (in order of interview date) is posted now. Unfortunately,it will not be the same type of report. I was late to the Open Forum and didn't get much first han info. This one will mostly look at his current situation and philosophy.

"Head Coach Finalist Report: David Taynor"