FB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[jknezek]

Whether it's a big deal or not I won't comment on.

In this particular case I would have preferred to see the RP hold off and wait for the formal announcement to occur- given the importance of showing the integrity of the decision process.
I see no "scoop" value to the RP. As an extension of UWW I'd prefer to see them work together on something like this.

Simply not the job of a student newspaper, or any  newspaper, to be the mouthpiece of the local authority.

[02 Warhawk]

Whether it's a big deal or not I won't comment on.

In this particular case I would have preferred to see the RP hold off and wait for the formal announcement to occur- given the importance of showing the integrity of the decision process.
I see no "scoop" value to the RP. As an extension of UWW I'd prefer to see them work together on something like this.

Simply not the job of a student newspaper, or any  newspaper, to be the mouthpiece of the local authority.

ahhh.... you beat me to it. +K

[WarhawkDad]

Whether it's a big deal or not I won't comment on.

In this particular case I would have preferred to see the RP hold off and wait for the formal announcement to occur- given the importance of showing the integrity of the decision process.
I see no "scoop" value to the RP. As an extension of UWW I'd prefer to see them work together on something like this.

Simply not the job of a student newspaper, or any  newspaper, to be the mouthpiece of the local authority.

This is the age old conundrum.  Being the son of a college professor who became a Dean of Liberal Arts and living in nothing but college towns while growing up, I can tell you that most journalism professors and journalism students do believe that the role of a newspaper and a reporter is to be a public watchdog and that the university administration and hierarchy is suspect at best because they are part of the establishment.

College administrators hope and incent the student newspapers to become partners, but that does not typically work. There have been numerous lawsuits filed by student journalists and newspapers against the very institution that funds their existence for violation of freedom of speech and freedom of the press by trying to practice censorship.

Ultimately what the Royal Purple did was minor compared to some of the transgressions that occur on other campuses. Frankly Brady Grayvold tweeting the announcement probably was one of the sources and a very very credible one at that.

WarhawkDad

[wally_wabash]

Frankly Brady Grayvold tweeting the announcement probably was one of the sources and a very very credible one at that.

Do we know he wasn't just responding to the footballscoop tweet?  The timing suggests so.  Unless he actually knew something concrete, saw the tweet and consider the information dam to be broken.  But mostly I think he was just responding to the footballscoop tweet.

[Pat Coleman]

I would be far more concerned if they were just co-opting the FootballScoop tweet and calling it their own, rather than doing the additional legwork to confirm it; as opposed to they were somehow subverting the integrity of the process by posting something. The media isn't part of the process, so they cannot subvert it.

Now, if Bob Berezowitz had gone and told the Wisconsin State Journal that they were hiring Bullis before a formal announcement was made, that would have been subverting it.

[OzJohnnie]

Maybe someone could write the paper and ask...

[WarhawkDad]

Frankly Brady Grayvold tweeting the announcement probably was one of the sources and a very very credible one at that.

Do we know he wasn't just responding to the footballscoop tweet?  The timing suggests so.  Unless he actually knew something concrete, saw the tweet and consider the information dam to be broken.  But mostly I think he was just responding to the footballscoop tweet.

I happen to know from other sources inside the program that your assumption is wrong.

[wally_wabash]

Frankly Brady Grayvold tweeting the announcement probably was one of the sources and a very very credible one at that.

Do we know he wasn't just responding to the footballscoop tweet?  The timing suggests so.  Unless he actually knew something concrete, saw the tweet and consider the information dam to be broken.  But mostly I think he was just responding to the footballscoop tweet.

I happen to know from other sources inside the program that your assumption is wrong.

I'm not saying you're right or wrong or that the player didn't get a heads up last Wednesday night.  I'm just saying if he did, I have a hard time believing that it didn't come along with a "hey, keep this under wraps until the announcement because we have to notify the finalists first" caveat.  What I saw looked like a natural reaction to having just read news from a relatively credible source. 

[sigma one]

Throw this into the mix.  According to its own website, the Royal Purple is the campus "independent student newspaper."  Its description includes the statement that the paper is "funded solely by its advertising revenue."  It is not funded, then, with university money.  Logically, then, there is no one they would have to be accountable to, even if some think they ought to be under some kind of outside (of their own control) editorial oversight.  And, of course, they should have, under any circumstances, the same latitude that a free press enjoys, including breaking a story before any "official" announcement is made.  Their separation from the university is not unusual.  To avoid oversight and any whiff of complicity with university administration over the years many "student newspapers" have gone independent.   

[emma17]

If Josh Smith, contributor to D3 and sports writer at the Daily Union, had learned of the choice the day before the university wanted to make the announcement, do you feel he would have made his knowledge public?
I don't know Josh personally, but I get the feeling he would have kept the information under wraps.  Because he was required to?  No, because it was the right thing to do. 

Nobody is trying to stomp on our freedom here, and I'm certainly not suggesting the RP was duty bound to keep the information private.
I'm saying that keeping the information private was the right thing to do in this case.

[jknezek]

There is no way a journalist keeps quiet if they have news attributed to reputable sources. Not unless they are promised something else in return or given a valid reason the info should remain under wraps.

[MasterJedi]

Good choice with Bullis, time to get to work now on the next season.

Anyone know any of the nonconference games? Finlandia says they play UWW but that would depend on if their program actually gets off the ground. If it does then just two more needed.

[OzJohnnie]

The discussion of the RP article reminds me of this movie:



Any of you see it?

(See it?  We starred in it!)

[Pat Coleman]

If Josh Smith, contributor to D3 and sports writer at the Daily Union, had learned of the choice the day before the university wanted to make the announcement, do you feel he would have made his knowledge public?
I don't know Josh personally, but I get the feeling he would have kept the information under wraps.  Because he was required to?  No, because it was the right thing to do. 

Josh doesn't write for the Daily Union anymore, but he would have respected news if he was told it by a university official as embargoed information. But that isn't how most of these things break, emma.

[bleedpurple]

Whether it's a big deal or not I won't comment on.

In this particular case I would have preferred to see the RP hold off and wait for the formal announcement to occur- given the importance of showing the integrity of the decision process.
I see no "scoop" value to the RP. As an extension of UWW I'd prefer to see them work together on something like this.

I think this is a concise version of all I was trying to say. I just expressed my opinion with a little more vigor. I think the only thing making it a big deal is a number of guys with a journalism background rushing to the defense of the paper and their right to act as a watchdog. Criticize the RP and we have to remember they are "students and there to learn". Suggest that maybe they should be held to higher standards and it's time to "ease up". Suggest that maybe mere students in process may not be qualified for a watchdog role without more over site and we clearly can't have a conversation about this. I got the message. No worries. Go RP. Just keep killing it. You rock!

I agree with warhawkdad about the age old conundrum. It has been around forever.

"Let them cover soccer, that will be fun" remains one of my favorite quotes ever. I understand why LL apologized for it, but I always loved him for saying it!

I have no doubt Coach Bullis will have a great relationship with the RP. Heck, he has a great relationship with everyone.

GO HAWKS!