FB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[emma17]

You haven't missed it...but probably won't either until practice opens in August. Scour the local newpapers of the Chicago suburbs, and you'll probably read about some of them who have "commited."

True enough. There won't likely be a list on these boards any time before August. One thing regarding recruits would be interesting to know, though.  If these rumors prove true, how many kids that have been recruited by the new coordinators will make a call to UW-W? 

Very interesting question.
Does the recruit go with the program or with the coach that recruited him?

Do coaches have "non-compete" type of language in their contracts? 
Even if so, I can't imagine the non-compete would restrict a recruit's freedom to change his mind.

[BoBo]

You haven't missed it...but probably won't either until practice opens in August. Scour the local newpapers of the Chicago suburbs, and you'll probably read about some of them who have "commited."

True enough. There won't likely be a list on these boards any time before August. One thing regarding recruits would be interesting to know, though.  If these rumors prove true, how many kids that have been recruited by the new coordinators will make a call to UW-W? 

Very interesting question.
Does the recruit go with the program or with the coach that recruited him?

Do coaches have "non-compete" type of language in their contracts? 
Even if so, I can't imagine the non-compete would restrict a recruit's freedom to change his mind.

I've never heard of "non-compete" clauses or whatever they are called in coaches contracts?  How could it be enforced and by who? The NCAA? Don't think it happens.

[bleedpurple]

You haven't missed it...but probably won't either until practice opens in August. Scour the local newpapers of the Chicago suburbs, and you'll probably read about some of them who have "commited."

True enough. There won't likely be a list on these boards any time before August. One thing regarding recruits would be interesting to know, though.  If these rumors prove true, how many kids that have been recruited by the new coordinators will make a call to UW-W? 

Very interesting question.
Does the recruit go with the program or with the coach that recruited him?

Do coaches have "non-compete" type of language in their contracts? 
Even if so, I can't imagine the non-compete would restrict a recruit's freedom to change his mind.

I've never heard of "non-compete" clauses or whatever they are called in coaches contracts?  How could it be enforced and by who? The NCAA? Don't think it happens.

I agree. D-IIII athletes don't sign anything and are therefore free to attend any school. That being said, I have no doubt there won't be any initiating of contact by UW-W of guys committed to the coordinators' former schools. In this case any change of direction will be initiated by the prospective student athletes.

[emma17]

You haven't missed it...but probably won't either until practice opens in August. Scour the local newpapers of the Chicago suburbs, and you'll probably read about some of them who have "commited."

True enough. There won't likely be a list on these boards any time before August. One thing regarding recruits would be interesting to know, though.  If these rumors prove true, how many kids that have been recruited by the new coordinators will make a call to UW-W? 

Very interesting question.
Does the recruit go with the program or with the coach that recruited him?

Do coaches have "non-compete" type of language in their contracts? 
Even if so, I can't imagine the non-compete would restrict a recruit's freedom to change his mind.

I've never heard of "non-compete" clauses or whatever they are called in coaches contracts?  How could it be enforced and by who? The NCAA? Don't think it happens.

I agree. D-IIII athletes don't sign anything and are therefore free to attend any school. That being said, I have no doubt there won't be any initiating of contact by UW-W of guys committed to the coordinators' former schools. In this case any change of direction will be initiated by the prospective student athletes.

I've never seen a coach's contract so I've no idea if there is non-compete language in their.  However, I can certainly envision the concept.  The university could add language that prohibits a departing coach from recruiting coaches on staff, players on the roster and players in the process of recruitment.  Of course, the non-compete cannot restrict the right of the players/recruits or coaches on staff to make their own choices. 

[bleedpurple]

You haven't missed it...but probably won't either until practice opens in August. Scour the local newpapers of the Chicago suburbs, and you'll probably read about some of them who have "commited."

True enough. There won't likely be a list on these boards any time before August. One thing regarding recruits would be interesting to know, though.  If these rumors prove true, how many kids that have been recruited by the new coordinators will make a call to UW-W? 

Very interesting question.
Does the recruit go with the program or with the coach that recruited him?

Do coaches have "non-compete" type of language in their contracts? 
Even if so, I can't imagine the non-compete would restrict a recruit's freedom to change his mind.

I've never heard of "non-compete" clauses or whatever they are called in coaches contracts?  How could it be enforced and by who? The NCAA? Don't think it happens.

I agree. D-IIII athletes don't sign anything and are therefore free to attend any school. That being said, I have no doubt there won't be any initiating of contact by UW-W of guys committed to the coordinators' former schools. In this case any change of direction will be initiated by the prospective student athletes.

I've never seen a coach's contract so I've no idea if there is non-compete language in their.  However, I can certainly envision the concept.  The university could add language that prohibits a departing coach from recruiting coaches on staff, players on the roster and players in the process of recruitment.  Of course, the non-compete cannot restrict the right of the players/recruits or coaches on staff to make their own choices.

It would be interesting to see if Lance would have been as willing to leave without the security of any of UW-W's coaches. 

I believe SEC schools have been talking about adding a non-compete clause to some contracts for coaches. But I think their conversation is about restricting an assistant's ability to change schools, not what actions are allowable by an assistant who does change schools.

[wally_wabash]

You haven't missed it...but probably won't either until practice opens in August. Scour the local newpapers of the Chicago suburbs, and you'll probably read about some of them who have "commited."

True enough. There won't likely be a list on these boards any time before August. One thing regarding recruits would be interesting to know, though.  If these rumors prove true, how many kids that have been recruited by the new coordinators will make a call to UW-W? 

Very interesting question.
Does the recruit go with the program or with the coach that recruited him?

Do coaches have "non-compete" type of language in their contracts? 
Even if so, I can't imagine the non-compete would restrict a recruit's freedom to change his mind.

I've never heard of "non-compete" clauses or whatever they are called in coaches contracts?  How could it be enforced and by who? The NCAA? Don't think it happens.

I agree. D-IIII athletes don't sign anything and are therefore free to attend any school. That being said, I have no doubt there won't be any initiating of contact by UW-W of guys committed to the coordinators' former schools. In this case any change of direction will be initiated by the prospective student athletes.

I've never seen a coach's contract so I've no idea if there is non-compete language in their.  However, I can certainly envision the concept.  The university could add language that prohibits a departing coach from recruiting coaches on staff, players on the roster and players in the process of recruitment.  Of course, the non-compete cannot restrict the right of the players/recruits or coaches on staff to make their own choices.

It would be interesting to see if Lance would have been as willing to leave without the security of any of UW-W's coaches. 

$600k/year says that he'd probably figure something out.  But it's a moot point because that's not really how college coaching works.  Contracts aren't really contracts and coaches can pretty much come and go as they please. 

[emma17]

You haven't missed it...but probably won't either until practice opens in August. Scour the local newpapers of the Chicago suburbs, and you'll probably read about some of them who have "commited."

True enough. There won't likely be a list on these boards any time before August. One thing regarding recruits would be interesting to know, though.  If these rumors prove true, how many kids that have been recruited by the new coordinators will make a call to UW-W? 

Very interesting question.
Does the recruit go with the program or with the coach that recruited him?

Do coaches have "non-compete" type of language in their contracts? 
Even if so, I can't imagine the non-compete would restrict a recruit's freedom to change his mind.

I've never heard of "non-compete" clauses or whatever they are called in coaches contracts?  How could it be enforced and by who? The NCAA? Don't think it happens.

I agree. D-IIII athletes don't sign anything and are therefore free to attend any school. That being said, I have no doubt there won't be any initiating of contact by UW-W of guys committed to the coordinators' former schools. In this case any change of direction will be initiated by the prospective student athletes.

I've never seen a coach's contract so I've no idea if there is non-compete language in their.  However, I can certainly envision the concept.  The university could add language that prohibits a departing coach from recruiting coaches on staff, players on the roster and players in the process of recruitment.  Of course, the non-compete cannot restrict the right of the players/recruits or coaches on staff to make their own choices.

It would be interesting to see if Lance would have been as willing to leave without the security of any of UW-W's coaches. 

$600k/year says that he'd probably figure something out.  But it's a moot point because that's not really how college coaching works.  Contracts aren't really contracts and coaches can pretty much come and go as they please.

Agreed in that assistant coaches can come and go as they please- however, as Bleed referenced, schools are trying to make it harder for head coaches to do so.
This is an in-depth article on the subject and page 38 even shows a non compete that prohibits the recruitment of staff members.
Granted, the enforceability is another issue, but the schools are trying.
http://law.marquette.edu/assets/sports-law/Greenberg.711.pdf

[wally_wabash]

$600k/year says that he'd probably figure something out.  But it's a moot point because that's not really how college coaching works.  Contracts aren't really contracts and coaches can pretty much come and go as they please.

Agreed in that assistant coaches can come and go as they please- however, as Bleed referenced, schools are trying to make it harder for head coaches to do so.
This is an in-depth article on the subject and page 38 even shows a non compete that prohibits the recruitment of staff members.
Granted, the enforceability is another issue, but the schools are trying.
http://law.marquette.edu/assets/sports-law/Greenberg.711.pdf

Meh.  It's all pretty empty, isn't it?  Let's play the Leipold hypothetical since that's what is most relevant here.  LL has some kind of nutso clause in his UWW deal that says he can't "recruit" current UWW staff members to join a new staff elsewhere in the event that Leipold leaves UWW.  Leipold reaches a point where he can't keep turning the Brinks trucks around and he takes a job at FBS Buffalo.   Now he needs a staff at Buffalo, but he can't "recruit" guys like Brian Borland from UWW.  So he posts an opening on a job board somewhere and Brian Borland just happens to apply and get hired.  Was he "recruited"?  Of course he was, but unless Leipold leaves an obvious trail of crumbs like emails, recorded phone calls, text messages, etc. there's never any evidence that he violated his contract by hiring Brian Borland. 

And let's say there IS evidence.  What then?  Do you file for some kind of injunction that prohibits Borland from joining Leipold's staff- denying him very clear upward professional movement?  What kind of relationship is Borland going to have with UWW if they're using litigation to restrict his right to raise the ceiling on his career?  That's not really a great way to do business. 

A lot of the "non-compete" language that you've cited involves coaches at D1 schools not leaving mid-contract to coach at other D1 schools, particularly those in the same conference, for some amount of time.  I suppose that's fair- I don't think any university could ask any more of a coach and still expect to maintain the privilege to terminate without any real cause.  But for something like D3 to D1, I don't see how a D3 school would have the leverage to tell a coach (head coach or assistant) that they couldn't be free to pursue opportunities in D1. 

[bleedpurple]

A lot of the "non-compete" language that you've cited involves coaches at D1 schools not leaving mid-contract to coach at other D1 schools, particularly those in the same conference, for some amount of time.  I suppose that's fair- I don't think any university could ask any more of a coach and still expect to maintain the privilege to terminate without any real cause.  But for something like D3 to D1, I don't see how a D3 school would have the leverage to tell a coach (head coach or assistant) that they couldn't be free to pursue opportunities in D1.

I agree with this.  In fact, personally, I am not in favor of a university blocking a coach wanting to make whatever move he felt best for his family and career. Of course I would have an opinion on a coach who leaves a team during the season or something like that. But I like the free market aspect of the coaches having the freedom to do what they want or need to do.  Because of scoreboards and standings, coaching is one of the most accountable jobs on earth. Beyond that, administrations could make changes for other reasons as well.  So, if a coach decides to leave a school for another school, he should have the right to do that as well IMO. 

[Mr. Ypsi]

A lot of the "non-compete" language that you've cited involves coaches at D1 schools not leaving mid-contract to coach at other D1 schools, particularly those in the same conference, for some amount of time.  I suppose that's fair- I don't think any university could ask any more of a coach and still expect to maintain the privilege to terminate without any real cause.  But for something like D3 to D1, I don't see how a D3 school would have the leverage to tell a coach (head coach or assistant) that they couldn't be free to pursue opportunities in D1.

I agree with this.  In fact, personally, I am not in favor of a university blocking a coach wanting to make whatever move he felt best for his family and career. Of course I would have an opinion on a coach who leaves a team during the season or something like that. But I like the free market aspect of the coaches having the freedom to do what they want or need to do.  Because of scoreboards and standings, coaching is one of the most accountable jobs on earth. Beyond that, administrations could make changes for other reasons as well.  So, if a coach decides to leave a school for another school, he should have the right to do that as well IMO.

I agree ONLY if players have the same right.  It is obscene that a coach can bolt but if a player transfers they may have to sit out an entire season.

[BoBo]

$600k/year says that he'd probably figure something out.  But it's a moot point because that's not really how college coaching works.  Contracts aren't really contracts and coaches can pretty much come and go as they please.

Go tell Johnny Chavis that contracts aren't really contracts.  He's filed a law suit against both LSU (his old team) and Texas A&M (his new team) over the payment of $400,000 LSU says he is required to pay to resign from LSU and move to ATM.  ATM and Chavis have disagreed over who should have to pay the $400,000. He's asking the court to decide both whether the money is owed to LSU and if ATM would be responsible for paying it. Contracts are contracts and they do matter, even in coaching.

[cubs]

Nice story on UWO QB Brett Kasper....  Not surprised to see these types of things happening with players from a Pat Cerroni lead team.

http://uwoshkoshtitans.com/sports/fball/2014-15/releases/20150227g4bir4

[badgerwarhawk]

Nice story on UWO QB Brett Kasper....  Not surprised to see these types of things happening with players from a Pat Cerroni lead team.

http://uwoshkoshtitans.com/sports/fball/2014-15/releases/20150227g4bir4

Outstanding young man.

[emma17]

Nice story on UWO QB Brett Kasper....  Not surprised to see these types of things happening with players from a Pat Cerroni lead team.

http://uwoshkoshtitans.com/sports/fball/2014-15/releases/20150227g4bir4

Outstanding story, thanks for sharing.

[emma17]

An interesting article regarding Buffalo and LL and staff from Bill Connelly of SB Nation:
http://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2015/2/26/8084629/buffalo-bulls-football-2015-preview-schedule-roster