FB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[Pat Coleman]

I voted for Wesley    4 seems awfully high for them. I think 7 is about right for UWW. Which teams behind are better? I suppose you could make a case for Wheaton or Wabash, but after that? Tough sledding. So at most 2 spots high. You can't tell me you don't think UWO, St. Thomas, UWW, Wheaton, or Wabash could make a case against Wesley right now. So they are possibly 5 high. Johns Hopkins has had some good battles with Wesley but not gotten over the hump, so I'm still drawing the line there.

Does that mean I think Wesley or UWW would lose to those teams? No, but I wouldn't bat an eye and start screaming massive upset. So that made it Wesley in my mind...

There's a reason I started the poll with No. 4. You're not alone in your opinion.

[jknezek]

But somebody has to be 4 and someone has to be 9. So while I'm saying Wesley is the most overrated, if you had UWW there I'd say they were the most overrated. I think the logic of who can beat who on any given Sunday between 4 and 9 is the same. So whoever from that grouping is 4 is the most overrated and whoever is 9 is the least overrated, or perhaps most underrated? Can't we just call them 4a, 4b, 4c, 4d, 4e, 4f?

I guess what I'm trying to say is I don't think Wesley is overrated because they aren't the best team in that 4-9 group. I don't know. I think they are the most overrated of the group simply because they happen to be at the top of it.

And with that clear as mud explanation I've decided I need to think about something else...

[emma17]

But somebody has to be 4 and someone has to be 9. So while I'm saying Wesley is the most overrated, if you had UWW there I'd say they were the most overrated. I think the logic of who can beat who on any given Sunday between 4 and 9 is the same. So whoever from that grouping is 4 is the most overrated and whoever is 9 is the least overrated, or perhaps most underrated? Can't we just call them 4a, 4b, 4c, 4d, 4e, 4f?

I guess what I'm trying to say is I don't think Wesley is overrated because they aren't the best team in that 4-9 group. I don't know. I think they are the most overrated of the group simply because they happen to be at the top of it.

And with that clear as mud explanation I've decided I need to think about something else...

I'm not going to say I 100% understand the above  , but I think I get the gist.   
From a "who would beat who perspective", I agree with you and WarhawkDad- Wesley at 4 is the most overrated as I would expect UWO, St. Thomas and Wheaton to beat them.  UWW would be interesting. 
I actually voted for Johns Hopkins simply because they've yet to beat a nationally recognized team (this is where Wally swoops in with his attack).  I would expect St. John's, UWP and NCC to beat them (and wouldn't be surprised if other top 20 teams beat them). 

To further explain my UWW thing.  I believe most of us (except Bleedpurple) have posted opinions over the years along the lines of "something looks off with UWW, it doesn't look like they have what it takes to win it all"- and then somehow UWW goes and does it.  I have concerns about the team this year and at this point wouldn't feel comfortable picking them to beat the teams ahead of them.  (It's funny, as I type I try to figure out what part Wally will take out of context and attack me or other WIAC people on, but I guess I should just trust that most of the readers on this board will extend the benefit of the doubt and ask for clarification before attacking). 

[retagent]

Just to add some perspective, UWW is the highest rated team with a D III loss. Just sayin'.

[emma17]

Just to add some perspective, UWW is the highest rated team with a D III loss. Just sayin'.

Right. Are you saying that because the D3 voters recognize UWW's history of winning while not looking so great?  Or are you going Wally and assuming we are complaining about a #7 ranking?

[retagent]

Just trying to explain that, while I assume many think that UWW is a quality team, they may not feel right about rating them ahead of teams without a loss. The only team with any losses ranked above UWW, is a team that beat them. I don't know why: !) You find it incomprehensible, and 2) It matters so much, when they will, in all likelihood, make the playoffs, and be able to show how good, or not so good, they are on the field.

[ScreamingEagles]

Santucci's return game provides a boost

http://lacrossetribune.com/sports/college/santucci-s-return-game-provides-a-boost/article_3a1c4728-7998-5d8e-9c00-bc785e9095ad.html

THOMPSON TAKES OVER: Sophomore Andrew Thompson will start at quarterback for the Eagles this week.

Thompson has played in this spot before, taking snaps earlier this season when starter Trent Cummings went out with a concussion.

Last week's starter, sophomore John Tackett, broke his collarbone on a sack late in the second quarter against the Blugolds, Dettwiler confirmed Thursday.

Also a random Mount Union article that the La Crosse Tribune picked up, written by the AP:

Mount Union still rolling, striving to rule D-III again

http://lacrossetribune.com/sports/mount-union-still-rolling-striving-to-rule-d-iii-again/article_934b6336-8e82-5f48-b2c0-26c6ee49dcff.html

But the last two seasons and five of the last six for Mount Union have ended with championship game losses to WIAC kingpin University of Wisconsin-Whitewater. The standard for excellence in Division III is no longer set by the 2,000-student school in this rust-belt town in northeast Ohio.

Larry Kehres, who is the athletic director at Mount Union, said the national championships are harder to come by for Mount Union because of the rise of Wisconsin-Whitewater and other rivals.

"Many of our teams that lost to Whitewater were as good as teams that won before Whitewater became so strong," said Kehres, who was head coach at Mount Union for 27 years with a record of 332-24-3.

[02 Warhawk]

Larry Kehres, who is the athletic director at Mount Union, said the national championships are harder to come by for Mount Union because of the rise of Wisconsin-Whitewater and other rivals.

"Many of our teams that lost to Whitewater were as good as teams that won before Whitewater became so strong," said Kehres, who was head coach at Mount Union for 27 years with a record of 332-24-3.

ahhh..what?

You haven't lost a game to a non-UWW school in 10 years (and I don't see that streak ending anytime soon)! What "other rivals" are preventing Mount from winning?

[jknezek]

Larry Kehres, who is the athletic director at Mount Union, said the national championships are harder to come by for Mount Union because of the rise of Wisconsin-Whitewater and other rivals.

"Many of our teams that lost to Whitewater were as good as teams that won before Whitewater became so strong," said Kehres, who was head coach at Mount Union for 27 years with a record of 332-24-3.

ahhh..what?

You haven't lost a game to a non-UWW school in 10 years (and I don't see that streak ending anytime soon)! What "other rivals" are preventing Mount from winning?

it's just coach speak for "not offending those around us."

[02 Warhawk]

Larry Kehres, who is the athletic director at Mount Union, said the national championships are harder to come by for Mount Union because of the rise of Wisconsin-Whitewater and other rivals.

"Many of our teams that lost to Whitewater were as good as teams that won before Whitewater became so strong," said Kehres, who was head coach at Mount Union for 27 years with a record of 332-24-3.

ahhh..what?

You haven't lost a game to a non-UWW school in 10 years (and I don't see that streak ending anytime soon)! What "other rivals" are preventing Mount from winning?

it's just coach speak for "not offending those around us."

Figured as much 

[02 Warhawk]

"Many of our teams that lost to Whitewater were as good as teams that won before Whitewater became so strong," said Kehres, who was head coach at Mount Union for 27 years with a record of 332-24-3.

I like this quote here, and I wish I could save it. I have a feeling if and when UWW falls back down to earth - and Mount Union continues on with winning Stagg Bowls - we are going to hear a lot of the following from some Mount fans: "Well, Mount just fell into a little funk for a decade before returning to their normal selves."

[emma17]

"Many of our teams that lost to Whitewater were as good as teams that won before Whitewater became so strong," said Kehres, who was head coach at Mount Union for 27 years with a record of 332-24-3.

I like this quote here, and I wish I could save it. I have a feeling if and when UWW falls back down to earth - and Mount Union continues on with winning Stagg Bowls - we are going to hear a lot of the following from some Mount fans: "Well, Mount just fell into a little funk for a decade before returning to their normal selves."

Based on the opinions of some, you'd think he would have said his teams that lost to UWW aren't as good as teams that won before UWW became so strong...because we can't recruit O and D linemen. 

[02 Warhawk]

"Many of our teams that lost to Whitewater were as good as teams that won before Whitewater became so strong," said Kehres, who was head coach at Mount Union for 27 years with a record of 332-24-3.

I like this quote here, and I wish I could save it. I have a feeling if and when UWW falls back down to earth - and Mount Union continues on with winning Stagg Bowls - we are going to hear a lot of the following from some Mount fans: "Well, Mount just fell into a little funk for a decade before returning to their normal selves."

Based on the opinions of some, you'd think he would have said his teams that lost to UWW aren't as good as teams that won before UWW became so strong...because we can't recruit O and D linemen.

I remember them having tanks for lineman in 2007 (the other Blanchard, for one). It's not like they were completely without hope on the line since UWW got good.

[emma17]

Just trying to explain that, while I assume many think that UWW is a quality team, they may not feel right about rating them ahead of teams without a loss. The only team with any losses ranked above UWW, is a team that beat them. I don't know why: !) You find it incomprehensible, and 2) It matters so much, when they will, in all likelihood, make the playoffs, and be able to show how good, or not so good, they are on the field.

It's obvious there is some sort of contagion that only certain posters have no immunity to.
It causes these unfortunate posters to lose the ability to read a sentence or statement without a preconceived notion. These pour soles then create an argument against their own preconceived notion, which looks nothing like the actual intent of the original message. My condolences as that's got to be a miserable way to go through life.

[badger1845]

All the talk of who's overrated and what not don't really matter.  Once the playoffs start you see who was overrated.  Personally I would find it great if somehow UWO and UWW ended up on opposite sides of the bracket so that it could possibly be a WIAC title game.  Would be extremely tough given the teams that each would have to go through (UMU, MHB, LIN to name a specific few).  Two things I do know All teams in the top 10 are very good.  Are they in the right order who knows.  Is UWW down this year?  Not as much as people think if I had to guess.  And I'm sure they'll make a deep run.  UWO could definitely do it much like in '12.  UST would be the biggest question mark as they haven't really been challenged at all so not sure if that would  play against them when they finally get against a team that can keep up.  Their D is insanely good, very fast and athletic.  The O runs through the line with a great back and TE's that create major mismatches (very large and can run well).  MHB is always extremely tough and will provide a tough test.  May be their year.  UMU is always UMU so they always are a favorite.  Linfield is always loaded with great talent and has made the run deep before.  Will really help them that they will probably be the 1 in the West so the road to Salem will have to go through McMinville which is extremely difficult.  Wesley just seems like they run a track meet against everyone and seem to struggle when a team can match it with their D as the D doesn't seem to be the strongest (My personal pick as most overrated though they are a very good team).  Kind of went a little off track but to say any team is overrated that is up that high is a bit strong.