FB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[joelmama]

Memories of playing Mount Union in Ohio in 2003....Stadium good but looks like a horse race track....Tailgating was minimal...Purple Raiders were awesome....My son started his first game as a Warhawk and held is own...Back to back games against them showed our players we had a way to go but by 2005 we were playing for the national championship...Props to Brez for that plan...Amazing since 2002 when my son red shirted his first year how good Whitewater has become....credit to the coaches and administration and of course the players...Pound the Rock boys...

Red-shirting is not allowed in d3, medical red-shirting is there is a difference.

Sakman's talking 2002 not today, red-shirting must've been permitted back then.

Nope the rule is essentially  the same now as it was at least as far back as 1980.

Try again.....  Red-Shirting was used my entire time playing D3 athletics, and that was until 2001.

Don't believe the rule changed until 2004.....

I guess all that paperwork I filled out for the NCAA all those years was for nothing then.   Might be that it was outlawed and then allowed and then outlawed again.  Not sure.  I am talking abut 1978-1982 when it was outlawed.  Knew it was outlawed now and I assumed it had never been allowed because as close as I follow it now I didn't follow at all from 1983-1993 and I have never heard of any Mount Union redshirts except a couple for medical reasons.

[Pat Coleman]

No idea what the rules were in the late '70s but in the '90s and up until 2004, as cited earlier, it was indeed permissible.

[02 Warhawk]

A little bit of a twitter war going on between some uww/uwo players.  Bad blood

[cubs]

A little bit of a twitter war going on between some uww/uwo players.  Bad blood

Hmmm....  Only thing I have see is a picture of a "catch" and that's it.

[02 Warhawk]

A little bit of a twitter war going on between some uww/uwo players.  Bad blood

Hmmm....  Only thing I have see is a picture of a "catch" and that's it.

That's what I was referring to. I heard some uww players were making comments to the uwo player who posted that.

[hazzben]

The rule changed in 2004.

Many (most??) privates didn't permit it. In the MIAC it was a league policy, you were not allowed to redshirt and if a player transferred from a school (say FCS or D2) and had redshirted, they lost that year of eligibility. I actually played with three guys, one from Northern, two from NDSU, who all lost a year because of the rule. I thought that was really dumb on the MIAC's part.

I think it was good to make it consistent across the board. Having said that, I think the grey shirting is accomplishing much the same thing. That 5th year is a serious boon. Granted, in the WIAC its part of doing business given the 100 man roster limits.

[cubs]

A little bit of a twitter war going on between some uww/uwo players.  Bad blood

Hmmm....  Only thing I have see is a picture of a "catch" and that's it.

That's what I was referring to. I heard some uww players were making comments to the uwo player who posted that.

That is far from a "Twitter War" in my opinion....  Actually pretty tame compared to most things I come across on Twitter.

[02 Warhawk]

A little bit of a twitter war going on between some uww/uwo players.  Bad blood

Hmmm....  Only thing I have see is a picture of a "catch" and that's it.

That's what I was referring to. I heard some uww players were making comments to the uwo player who posted that.

That is far from a "Twitter War" in my opinion....  Actually pretty tame compared to most things I come across on Twitter.

I'll take your word for it, I don't usually follow too many player's Twitter accounts. I had a friend inform of this....I just found it funny.

Speaking of which....UWW fans got a lot of crap from UWO staff members saying how quiet we were after the loss. I haven't heard much from UWO fans lately. Or those UWO player(s) who created accounts on these boards back after they beat UWW in October.

[edward de vere]

Re WIAC redshirting:  Is this as common in the WIAC as I think Hazzben is saying?  If so, does this mean the average senior is a year older than the average senior at a private school?

[BoBo]

The rule changed in 2004.

Many (most??) privates didn't permit it. In the MIAC it was a league policy, you were not allowed to redshirt and if a player transferred from a school (say FCS or D2) and had redshirted, they lost that year of eligibility. I actually played with three guys, one from Northern, two from NDSU, who all lost a year because of the rule. I thought that was really dumb on the MIAC's part.

I think it was good to make it consistent across the board. Having said that, I think the grey shirting is accomplishing much the same thing. That 5th year is a serious boon. Granted, in the WIAC its part of doing business given the 100 man roster limits.

Hazzben,  roster limits are no longer being enforced in the WIAC.

[Mr. Ypsi]

Re WIAC redshirting:  Is this as common in the WIAC as I think Hazzben is saying?  If so, does this mean the average senior is a year older than the average senior at a private school?

REDshirting (aside from medical) has been banned since 2004.  I have no idea how common GREYshirting in the WIAC is - anyone have thoughts?

(The difference, for anyone not familiar with the terms, is redshirts were fully members of the team for parctices, but could not play in games without forfeiting a year of eligibility.  Greyshirts are not officially a part of the team at all, cannot practice with them, but are expected to workout - weight room, etc. - regularly if they want to stay in good stead with coaches.  One area I'm not clear on - are greyshirts expected to master film and the playbook, or are those impermissible activities?)

Financial aid can often make the bottom line cost of privates not that much higher than publics, but scholarships that last more than 4 years are probably vanishingly rare - THAT was the reason redshirts were almost nonexistent at privates, and why they voted to ban them in 2004.  So before 2004, yes, seniors at publics were often a year older than seniors at privates.  Whether or not that is still true depends on how prevalent 'greyshirting' is, which I simply don't know.

[BoBo]

Re WIAC redshirting:  Is this as common in the WIAC as I think Hazzben is saying?  If so, does this mean the average senior is a year older than the average senior at a private school?

REDshirting (aside from medical) has been banned since 2004.  I have no idea how common GREYshirting in the WIAC is - anyone have thoughts?

(The difference, for anyone not familiar with the terms, is redshirts were fully members of the team for parctices, but could not play in games without forfeiting a year of eligibility.  Greyshirts are not officially a part of the team at all, cannot practice with them, but are expected to workout - weight room, etc. - regularly if they want to stay in good stead with coaches.  One area I'm not clear on - are greyshirts expected to master film and the playbook, or are those impermissible activities?)

Financial aid can often make the bottom line cost of privates not that much higher than publics, but scholarships that last more than 4 years are probably vanishingly rare - THAT was the reason redshirts were almost nonexistent at privates, and why they voted to ban them in 2004.  So before 2004, yes, seniors at publics were often a year older than seniors at privates.  Whether or not that is still true depends on how prevalent 'greyshirting' is, which I simply don't know.

Grey shirting goes on...in fact if you listen to the Oshkosh post game press conference, Cerroni mentions that #28, who he called the Titans offensive MVP this year, grey shirted last year- didn't call it that just said he elected not to be on the team last year, so in two words you can call it a greyshirt year.

[edward de vere]

Sorry - I meant greyshirting.

[MasterJedi]

Post-game press conference - Osh first, then UWW.

Interesting comments by Cerroni starting about the 5:20 mark.  Sounds like a bitter man. Says he's not complaining or whining, but it sure sounds like he is. Take a listen.

LINK:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4OvT7sqo6E

Both teams are part of the same state system.  Poaching each other's coaches is not good form.  Money is how you do it.  I thought he was perfectly clear.     Oshkosh needs to figure out a way to get more cash so they can keep these coaches. A new challenge for their administration.  Glad Cerroni said it.  He is an awesome coach.

Just sounds salty that his salary isn't as good as assistants at UWW. Though I imagine outside money has to help, improvements paid for without a lot of school money gives them a lot more ability to spend that money on assistants. Hard to fault someone for taking the same job at another school for more money.

[cubs]

Grey shirting goes on...in fact if you listen to the Oshkosh post game press conference, Cerroni mentions that #28, who he called the Titans offensive MVP this year, grey shirted last year- didn't call it that just said he elected not to be on the team last year, so in two words you can call it a greyshirt year.

I'm not sure this is the best example of a "greyshirt."  Linzenmeyer played two years, before not playing last season.

Greyshirts are typically used for the player who comes to campus as a "freshman" but isn't quite ready to contribute.  He spends the year in the weight room to get stronger and develop and is able to come back as a sophomore, but still have freshman eligibility.

I suppose the greyshirt can also be used as an upperclassman if you find yourself low on the depth chart behind a handful of seniors and you don't see yourself getting much playing time and don't want to "waste" a year of eligibility.  Wait a year for the seniors to graduate and then climb up the depth chart.  With that said, I don't see this being the case with Linzenmeyer last season.