FB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[emma17]

I believe ESPN U is airing a replay of UWW at Mt at 1:00 p.m. today.

An unfortunate fact: the UWW O did not score a TD in the biggest conference game of the year, nor did it score a TD in the biggest game of the year.

 

[cubs]

Coach Cerroni shared that UWO RBS Dylan Hecker tore his ACL in the first half against UWW. Wish him a speedy recovery...never want to see players of his caliber fall victim to such an injury. Late in the season makes me curious if he'll medical redshirt next season?

Shouldn't be necessary, unless there's another injury.  You can absolutely get past a knee reconstruction in 8 months now.  Your guy should be good to go for 2016.

If it's me and I am not getting out of school in four years, I take the medical redshirt and take my time rehabbing instead of "rushing" it and coming back to soon.  Speaking as someone who has had the surgery, sure you can physically get back in nine months, but there is the mental side that sometime takes longer.

In addition, it's not as if UWO doesn't have a quality RB without him....  It would seem Linzenmeyer and Ash are more than capable of carrying the load.

[wally_wabash]

Coach Cerroni shared that UWO RBS Dylan Hecker tore his ACL in the first half against UWW. Wish him a speedy recovery...never want to see players of his caliber fall victim to such an injury. Late in the season makes me curious if he'll medical redshirt next season?

Shouldn't be necessary, unless there's another injury.  You can absolutely get past a knee reconstruction in 8 months now.  Your guy should be good to go for 2016.

If it's me and I am not getting out of school in four years, I take the medical redshirt and take my time rehabbing instead of "rushing" it and coming back to soon.  Speaking as someone who has had the surgery, sure you can physically get back in nine months, but there is the mental side that sometime takes longer.

In addition, it's not as if UWO doesn't have a quality RB without him....  It would seem Linzenmeyer and Ash are more than capable of carrying the load.

I've been through an ACL reconstruction also, so I have that first hand experience.  And I understand the mental hurdle. 

I don't know what the threshold for medical hardship waivers is.  Like can a guy just sit out the season after an ACL injury and get a year of eligibility back?   You know what I'm saying- how hurt do you have to be to get that waiver?   I have no idea, tbqh.  I would think, at a minimum, you would need some kind of evidence from a medical professional that the athlete isn't cleared to play.  If you're cleared and elect to not play, I think that's a different issue. 

But again, I don't know what that threshold is. 

[Pat Coleman]

Coach Cerroni shared that UWO RBS Dylan Hecker tore his ACL in the first half against UWW. Wish him a speedy recovery...never want to see players of his caliber fall victim to such an injury. Late in the season makes me curious if he'll medical redshirt next season?

Shouldn't be necessary, unless there's another injury.  You can absolutely get past a knee reconstruction in 8 months now.  Your guy should be good to go for 2016.

If it's me and I am not getting out of school in four years, I take the medical redshirt and take my time rehabbing instead of "rushing" it and coming back to soon.  Speaking as someone who has had the surgery, sure you can physically get back in nine months, but there is the mental side that sometime takes longer.

In addition, it's not as if UWO doesn't have a quality RB without him....  It would seem Linzenmeyer and Ash are more than capable of carrying the load.

I've been through an ACL reconstruction also, so I have that first hand experience.  And I understand the mental hurdle. 

I don't know what the threshold for medical hardship waivers is.  Like can a guy just sit out the season after an ACL injury and get a year of eligibility back?   You know what I'm saying- how hurt do you have to be to get that waiver?   I have no idea, tbqh.  I would think, at a minimum, you would need some kind of evidence from a medical professional that the athlete isn't cleared to play.  If you're cleared and elect to not play, I think that's a different issue. 

But again, I don't know what that threshold is.

Well, he could just greyshirt and a waiver wouldn't be necessary. But I agree with what's been previously posted: barring further injury, it would be a mistake for him to take next season off.

[Just Bill]

If he wanted to skip it or was unable to play next season, UWO could do it one of two ways...

They could treat him as a regular member of next year's team. Once UWO reaches the first practice following the first game, he would be charged a year of eligibility. Then, assuming he never plays or practices, a physician would sign off on him not being able to play. Then UWO would apply for and receive a medical redshirt year. The catch is, he has to be truly unable to play. Sometimes physicians working with D-I big time programs have been known to fudge a report, but that likelihood that a doctor would risk his practice and reputation to falsely sign off for a D-III player is slim. So if the doctor says, "No, he could have played" and won't sign off on the medical part, that option will be out.

The other way would be to essentially "cut" him and remove him from the roster before he uses a season of eligibility (A "grayshirt). The hard part about that is, once he's cut he can't receive training room care and can't technically be at meetings or any team-related activities and can't receive workout/rehab guidance from the staff. He's just an ordinary student. They could partially get around it by naming him a team manager or something like that which would let him be around the team, but he still couldn't get training room care or coaching instruction. Also if he has already "grayshirted" earlier in his career, then he can't do it again. His 10-semester clock will expire anyway.

[cubs]

If he wanted to skip it or was unable to play next season, UWO could do it one of two ways...

They could treat him as a regular member of next year's team. Once UWO reaches the first practice following the first game, he would be charged a year of eligibility. Then, assuming he never plays or practices, a physician would sign off on him not being able to play. Then UWO would apply for and receive a medical redshirt year. The catch is, he has to be truly unable to play. Sometimes physicians working with D-I big time programs have been known to fudge a report, but that likelihood that a doctor would risk his practice and reputation to falsely sign off for a D-III player is slim. So if the doctor says, "No, he could have played" and won't sign off on the medical part, that option will be out.

The other way would be to essentially "cut" him and remove him from the roster before he uses a season of eligibility (A "grayshirt). The hard part about that is, once he's cut he can't receive training room care and can't technically be at meetings or any team-related activities and can't receive workout/rehab guidance from the staff. He's just an ordinary student. They could partially get around it by naming him a team manager or something like that which would let him be around the team, but he still couldn't get training room care or coaching instruction. Also if he has already "grayshirted" earlier in his career, then he can't do it again. His 10-semester clock will expire anyway.

Unless he took the spring semester off....  Let's say next fall was semester nine, take the spring off, and then the following fall would be semester ten.  (This wouldn't apply in this situation, but I was throwing out a "hypothetical."

I seem to remember an All WIAC selection doing this exact thing a few years back....

[cubs]

I agree with what's been previously posted: barring further injury, it would be a mistake for him to take next season off.

Mind me asking why it would be a "mistake?"

Just curious on your reasoning....

[bleedpurple]

If he wanted to skip it or was unable to play next season, UWO could do it one of two ways...

They could treat him as a regular member of next year's team. Once UWO reaches the first practice following the first game, he would be charged a year of eligibility. Then, assuming he never plays or practices, a physician would sign off on him not being able to play. Then UWO would apply for and receive a medical redshirt year. The catch is, he has to be truly unable to play. Sometimes physicians working with D-I big time programs have been known to fudge a report, but that likelihood that a doctor would risk his practice and reputation to falsely sign off for a D-III player is slim. So if the doctor says, "No, he could have played" and won't sign off on the medical part, that option will be out.

The other way would be to essentially "cut" him and remove him from the roster before he uses a season of eligibility (A "grayshirt). The hard part about that is, once he's cut he can't receive training room care and can't technically be at meetings or any team-related activities and can't receive workout/rehab guidance from the staff. He's just an ordinary student. They could partially get around it by naming him a team manager or something like that which would let him be around the team, but he still couldn't get training room care or coaching instruction. Also if he has already "grayshirted" earlier in his career, then he can't do it again. His 10-semester clock will expire anyway.

The doctors and trainers do take this really seriously, at least at the D-III level. That's obviously a really good thing, but I feel badly for the kid at times. I know we had a player this year who was really injured (missed games) and wasn't going to be completely healthy again until months after the season. He asked about how a red-shirt works but told his injury "wasn't serious enough" to warrant a red-shirt.  I don't know if the guidelines include specific diagnoses or relies on the judgment of the physician, but I sense at the medical level, they error on the side of not granting it. Maybe that's why it is granted once it reaches the NCAA with a physician sign-off.  The  Dr. was right in that the kid was able to make it back, albeit fighting through pain. Maybe the key is no increased risk of re-injury? Not sure how that works.

I wish Dylan the best. I hate to see anyone injured.  I agree with the poster who said UW-O will be just fine with the others.  But just for the student-athete's sake, I hope for a 100% recovery.

[bleedpurple]

"Dealing with Disappointment"

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[ScreamingEagles]

Jeff Brown: No reason UW-L football can't win

http://lacrossetribune.com/print-specific/columns/jeff-brown-no-reason-uw-l-football-can-t-win/article_de3f5ec8-a047-5b91-9a6b-a679a63e8a13.html

[Just Bill]

There was a time when medical waiver applications didn't require a doctor's approval and there was a a ton of shenanigans going on.

[02 Warhawk]

Dang, tough sledding in the D3football bracket challenge. I picked every game 100% correct from the second round on - with three wrong in the first round - just to get 15th place. 

[emma17]

So Wheaton/UWO > Wesley?

Very possible...and I hope you're right.

I have no doubts this is the case.   Wesley had a stud QB and a couple nice receivers.   The rest of the team was very average.   Especially along the lines of scrimmage.   

UWW will be a HUGE step up in the physical size and strength of the opponent for Mount.  Seriously doubt the QB is anywhere near as good as Callahan, but it won't matter if UWW can run the ball consistently and protect him like they typically have.   Give a good QB a clean pocket and he'll look great.   As it's been with every game between Mount & Whitewater.   The line of scrimmage is key #1.  Turnovers are #2.   Everything just comes along for the ride.

From the late 90's thru the mid-2000's Mount was winning because of their line play.   Now they're in the same boat they were when the run first started in the early 90's.   Winning in spite of their line play.   The level of recruiting in Ohio, especially for O-linemen, has gotten a lot tougher for Mount with the growth of so many D2 schools in the area.   Mount used to have an abundance of linemen that could play.   Now they're scratching to get 5 guys with real ability and size.  That's the difference between Mount now and back in the day.   Plus not having LK calling the plays doesn't help either.

They're really talented and capable of winning a title, but they're not big and strong.   The skill people, specifically the un-tested QB, is going to have to play lights out to overcome the difference at the line of scrimmage.

Although I don't think there are many people that would argue against the value of strong O and D lines, it seemed  some of the discussion hinted that UWW won because it had the biggest and best O and D lines- and perhaps Mt was unable to compete at the LOS due to geographic pressures. 
Per the above, Mt's skilled players would have to overcome Mt's weak link in the chain, the LOS. 

Doesn't it suggest that it's not about having the best or biggest O or D line, but it's really about having very capable O and D lines, and putting those players in the best position to be successful?  I can't imagine UWW's dominant O Line suddenly lost its abilities when it arrived in Alliance. 

[AppletonRocks]

Another reason Pat Cerroni should be Coach of the Year !!   

http://wbay.com/2015/12/22/hundreds-line-up-for-mobile-food-pantry-at-uw-oshkosh/

[Sakman 1111]

To be honest I thought that UWW looked slower than Mount...reminded me of the last time we played them in Ohio...for next year increasing team speed should be a priority in my opinion....all in all a terrific seaaon...Pound the Rock....