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[02 Warhawk]

Brad Biggs ‏@BradBiggs  · 2m2 minutes ago 
#Bears are expected to sign QB Matt Blanchard and OT Martin Wallace to reserve/futures contracts today, per source.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/ct-matt-blanchard-contract-20160104-story.html

[badgerwarhawk]

I binged this series as well over the holiday break.  I can't say for sure whether I agree with the verdict because, as I understand, the show left out some of the prosecution's best evidence while spotlighting most of the prosecution's flimsier evidence.  I did think that the series was a pretty incredible feat of documentary filmmaking (telling 10 hours of that story as clearly and compellingly as they did without any narration? Bravo.) and I think it is jam packed with a lot of fascinating and difficult social issues to think about. 

I don't think I can say I enjoyed it- I don't know how anybody can enjoy that story- but I'm glad I watched it and would recommend it to anybody on the fence about watching it. 

Today on the news they mentioned a petition to pardon him which is circulating on the internet.  Evidently if it reaches 150,000 signatures the White House is obligated to respond to it in one way or another. 

[wally_wabash]

I binged this series as well over the holiday break.  I can't say for sure whether I agree with the verdict because, as I understand, the show left out some of the prosecution's best evidence while spotlighting most of the prosecution's flimsier evidence.  I did think that the series was a pretty incredible feat of documentary filmmaking (telling 10 hours of that story as clearly and compellingly as they did without any narration? Bravo.) and I think it is jam packed with a lot of fascinating and difficult social issues to think about. 

I don't think I can say I enjoyed it- I don't know how anybody can enjoy that story- but I'm glad I watched it and would recommend it to anybody on the fence about watching it. 

Today on the news they mentioned a petition to pardon him which is circulating on the internet.  Evidently if it reaches 150,000 signatures the White House is obligated to respond to it in one way or another.

I'm not an expert in this area, but unless he was convicted of a federal crime (which this wasn't), I don't think POTUS can do much of anything w/ respect to a pardon. 

I understand the sympathy that the documentary generates for Avery, but I don't think the show proves innocence as much as it questions the holy heck out of the investigation.  I think it's possible that this was a corrupt investigation/prosecution of a guilty person. 

[AppletonRocks]

I binged this series as well over the holiday break.  I can't say for sure whether I agree with the verdict because, as I understand, the show left out some of the prosecution's best evidence while spotlighting most of the prosecution's flimsier evidence.  I did think that the series was a pretty incredible feat of documentary filmmaking (telling 10 hours of that story as clearly and compellingly as they did without any narration? Bravo.) and I think it is jam packed with a lot of fascinating and difficult social issues to think about. 

I don't think I can say I enjoyed it- I don't know how anybody can enjoy that story- but I'm glad I watched it and would recommend it to anybody on the fence about watching it. 

Today on the news they mentioned a petition to pardon him which is circulating on the internet.  Evidently if it reaches 150,000 signatures the White House is obligated to respond to it in one way or another.

I'm not an expert in this area, but unless he was convicted of a federal crime (which this wasn't), I don't think POTUS can do much of anything w/ respect to a pardon. 

I understand the sympathy that the documentary generates for Avery, but I don't think the show proves innocence as much as it questions the holy heck out of the investigation.  I think it's possible that this was a corrupt investigation/prosecution of a guilty person.

Excuse me Wally, but have you seen any regard for the law or normal procedure from this President?  He has been nothing but an ideologue--if this gets him a photo op or a chance to make a political speech, he will be all over it. 

[Mr. Ypsi]

I binged this series as well over the holiday break.  I can't say for sure whether I agree with the verdict because, as I understand, the show left out some of the prosecution's best evidence while spotlighting most of the prosecution's flimsier evidence.  I did think that the series was a pretty incredible feat of documentary filmmaking (telling 10 hours of that story as clearly and compellingly as they did without any narration? Bravo.) and I think it is jam packed with a lot of fascinating and difficult social issues to think about. 

I don't think I can say I enjoyed it- I don't know how anybody can enjoy that story- but I'm glad I watched it and would recommend it to anybody on the fence about watching it. 

Today on the news they mentioned a petition to pardon him which is circulating on the internet.  Evidently if it reaches 150,000 signatures the White House is obligated to respond to it in one way or another.

I'm not an expert in this area, but unless he was convicted of a federal crime (which this wasn't), I don't think POTUS can do much of anything w/ respect to a pardon. 

I understand the sympathy that the documentary generates for Avery, but I don't think the show proves innocence as much as it questions the holy heck out of the investigation.  I think it's possible that this was a corrupt investigation/prosecution of a guilty person.

Excuse me Wally, but have you seen any regard for the law or normal procedure from this President?  He has been nothing but an ideologue--if this gets him a photo op or a chance to make a political speech, he will be all over it. 

AR, stuff a sock in it.  There is a reason The Guru shut down the politics boards almost 5 years ago.  You sound like you would have been one of the reasons, if JT hadn't already been justification enough.

[retagent]

Sorry for the late notice, but if you're interested in hearing more about the Steven Avery case, Charlie Sykes has a prosecutor who is familiar with the case on his show on 620, WTMJ radio in his 10:00 hour. After the local news which goes until about 10:07.

[cubs]

UWO and Head Coach Pat Cerroni with a nice "pick-up" tonight as Hartland Arrowhead QB Johnny Duranso announced his plans to enroll at UWO next year and play football and baseball for the Titans.

In my opinion (which is similar to some others) Duranso was a scholarship level recruit.  Will be interesting to see if he indeed ends up at UWO next fall.

[badgerwarhawk]

Dammit, I just read that BADGERS defensive coordinator Dave Aranda has joined Les Miles at LSU.  That's a HUGE HOLE to fill and the odds of getting someone of equal ability aren't that good. 

[warhawkguard]

Dammit, I just read that BADGERS defensive coordinator Dave Aranda has joined Les Miles at LSU.  That's a HUGE HOLE to fill and the odds of getting someone of equal ability aren't that good. 

Saw that, not unexpected at all. Best DC money can buy. Ironic that Barry was just quoted as saying how much Aranda and his family liked living in Madison. I guess going from 500k to 1.3 million is worth the jump. And we face him first game. AWESOME. How can they pay an assistant coach that kind of money? Money is no object in D-1 for some teams.

[jknezek]

Some of it is simply the way the SEC schools are structured versus the Big 10. For example, LSU only sponsors 7 D1 sports. The big 3 of baseball, basketball, and football for men. That means they only need 4 women's sports to satisfy Title IX and each sport can have a lot more money devoted to it than Wisconsin, with 2 extra sports. Then you factor in how much more the TV rights for the SEC are worth than the Big 10, and the significant revenue difference between many of the SEC athletic departments and the Big 10 athletic departments, and you realize how imbalanced the whole thing becomes.

The real trick is how well Ohio State does sponsoring 14 sports. I'm not much of a Buckeye fan, but they have something special in their financial ability to have 7 men's and women's sports, not violate Title IX, and still have have winning programs.

[wally_wabash]

Dammit, I just read that BADGERS defensive coordinator Dave Aranda has joined Les Miles at LSU.  That's a HUGE HOLE to fill and the odds of getting someone of equal ability aren't that good. 

Saw that, not unexpected at all. Best DC money can buy. Ironic that Barry was just quoted as saying how much Aranda and his family liked living in Madison. I guess going from 500k to 1.3 million is worth the jump. And we face him first game. AWESOME. How can they pay an assistant coach that kind of money? Money is no object in D-1 for some teams.

Hasn't money to assistants become a recurring issue at Wisconsin?  I feel like this isn't the first time Wisconsin has lost a coach because they don't understand the P5 market for assistants.  Or they do understand and just aren't willing to pay market price for assistants. 

[Just Bill]

Some of it is simply the way the SEC schools are structured versus the Big 10. For example, LSU only sponsors 7 D1 sports. The big 3 of baseball, basketball, and football for men. That means they only need 4 women's sports to satisfy Title IX and each sport can have a lot more money devoted to it than Wisconsin, with 2 extra sports. Then you factor in how much more the TV rights for the SEC are worth than the Big 10, and the significant revenue difference between many of the SEC athletic departments and the Big 10 athletic departments, and you realize how imbalanced the whole thing becomes.

The real trick is how well Ohio State does sponsoring 14 sports. I'm not much of a Buckeye fan, but they have something special in their financial ability to have 7 men's and women's sports, not violate Title IX, and still have have winning programs.

Your numbers are messed up. LSU has 16 Division I sports. Ohio State has 32 not counting a couple of varsity sports that don't have NCAA championships. How do you figure 7 and 14? Are you only counting "team" sports? Because all sports factor into budgets.

I'm also not sure you're clear on how schools prove they are Title IX compliant. Proportionality of male/female student-athletes is one way, but there's three separate tests for Title IX compliance. Schools only have to meet one of them. (Google Title IX Three Prong test, if you're curious.)

[Just Bill]

Dammit, I just read that BADGERS defensive coordinator Dave Aranda has joined Les Miles at LSU.  That's a HUGE HOLE to fill and the odds of getting someone of equal ability aren't that good. 

Saw that, not unexpected at all. Best DC money can buy. Ironic that Barry was just quoted as saying how much Aranda and his family liked living in Madison. I guess going from 500k to 1.3 million is worth the jump. And we face him first game. AWESOME. How can they pay an assistant coach that kind of money? Money is no object in D-1 for some teams.

Hasn't money to assistants become a recurring issue at Wisconsin?  I feel like this isn't the first time Wisconsin has lost a coach because they don't understand the P5 market for assistants.  Or they do understand and just aren't willing to pay market price for assistants.

It has been. Honestly, I'm fine if they don't want to keep up with the ridiculous market rates that other schools are setting. It's a system so out of whack, I'd rather they pay what they want to pay even if it means they win a little less.

[retagent]

Madison is OK, but Baton Rouge is pretty sweet too.

[jknezek]

Some of it is simply the way the SEC schools are structured versus the Big 10. For example, LSU only sponsors 7 D1 sports. The big 3 of baseball, basketball, and football for men. That means they only need 4 women's sports to satisfy Title IX and each sport can have a lot more money devoted to it than Wisconsin, with 2 extra sports. Then you factor in how much more the TV rights for the SEC are worth than the Big 10, and the significant revenue difference between many of the SEC athletic departments and the Big 10 athletic departments, and you realize how imbalanced the whole thing becomes.

The real trick is how well Ohio State does sponsoring 14 sports. I'm not much of a Buckeye fan, but they have something special in their financial ability to have 7 men's and women's sports, not violate Title IX, and still have have winning programs.

Your numbers are messed up. LSU has 16 Division I sports. Ohio State has 32 not counting a couple of varsity sports that don't have NCAA championships. How do you figure 7 and 14? Are you only counting "team" sports? Because all sports factor into budgets.

I'm also not sure you're clear on how schools prove they are Title IX compliant. Proportionality of male/female student-athletes is one way, but there's three separate tests for Title IX compliance. Schools only have to meet one of them. (Google Title IX Three Prong test, if you're curious.)

I understand the Title IX tests. I won't say Title IX "costs" money, because I believe in women's collegiate sports and their positive affect on women and college campuses and "costs" has a negative connotation. However, for budgeting purposes, women's sports are a net spend, and the more you have, the more you are spending, regardless of the tests. Too be fair adding more negative-revenue men's sports would have the same effect, but due to Title IX most schools have chose to either limit or contract negative-revenue men's sports so they can be in compliance without increasing the budget while accounting for the negative-revenue women's sports.

As for the sports numbers, I pulled them from the NCAA website. The pages are found here: http://www.ncaa.com/schools/lsu

And yes, you are correct, these are only a partial accounting of the sports per school. My mistake and +k for catching it. However, any way you look at it, the SEC schools average fewer collegiate sports than the Big 10. So my numbers are wrong, but my point about divvying up resources still stand. The SEC schools generally have more resources and split it among fewer sports, allowing more money per sport.