FB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[Brian R. Carroll]

I am also sorry to hear of Voice's passing. My sympathy to the Pattison family and to the UWW community.

[KitchenSink]

Thanks for everything you did for Whitewater's football, Voice. You will be missed.

[Sakman 1111]

We will miss the Voice....he was a true class act and he loved the Warhawks...our prayers and thoughts will be with him.....Pound the Rock...

[bleedpurple]

Wow. Sad day for UWW. Just read that The Voice (Tom Pattison) passed away yesterday.  Thoughts and prayers go out to his family.

He was a huge presence within the UWW athletic community, the broadcast booth, booster clubs and these boards.

Tom will be missed.

An incredibly sad day for Warhawk Nation.  His dedication and support and coverage of our program was second to none.  Such a loss. Please, keep us posted regarding the service, Bleedpurple, and Co.  We are in Minnesota this week but would like to attend if possible.   

Rest in peace, Voice.  Cancer may have taken you from us in the end but it never beat you!!   

Will do 413. Hope you and your family are well!

[emma17]

I'll just say it.  The UWSP game concerns me more than usual.  With the issues UWW is having in the defensive backfield as well as the amount of game footage available to UWSP, I worry their offense will put a lot of pressure on UWW overall.  I'm not predicting an outcome, I'm just saying this game has a scary feel to it for me.

From a WIAC perspective, a UWSP victory would surely create an interesting scenario for Pool C.  Just for fun, what if UWSP were to win out, finishing 8-2 with UWO/UWP finishing 9-1 and the other finishing 8-2- and UWW finishing 9-1?
I assume UWW wins conference and the committees get to decide if 4 WIAC team should make the playoffs.

Just so I'm following- UWSP wins out and finishes 8-2 which leaves UWW at 9-1.  Then you've got the winner of UWP/UWO finishing 9-1, and the loser finishing 8-2 leaving a final set of WIAC standings as such:

UWW 6-1, 9-1
UWP/UWO winner 6-1, 9-1
UWP/UWO loser 5-2, 8-2
UWSP 5-2, 8-2

I think that all can work out that way if I'm reading schedules correctly. 

This is messy. Whether UWW gets ranked ahead of their WIAC co-champion is irrelevant for the Warhawks because they have h2h tiebreaks over both of those teams.  UWW goes in through Pool A. 

From there I think it would be tough to rank UWSP ahead of either UWO or UWP because of the h2h's.  Would the more recent win over UWW counter those older h2h's?  I wouldn't think so, but who knows what the committee might do.  John Carroll is going to be a ranked team, so advantage UWO.  UWSP's non-league action isn't helping them out at all...no RRO help there for the Pointers.  UWP may get some help from Lakeland.  Too early to tell if they can squeeze into the North top 10 if they get to 8-2.  They'd be right on the edge I think. 

Anyway, I think the order of regional ranking in your scenario would be UWW, UWP/UWO winner, UWP/UWO loser, then UWSP.  UWW goes in through Pool A.  Then you've got two other WIACs before you can even get to UWSP, provided UWSP even gets ranked (I suspect they would if they got to 8-2 and a Warhawk feather in their cap).  Would they be ranked ahead of St. John's?  Doubtful.  So I think you'd have, at best, UWSP fourth in line out of the West region alone and that's probably too deep in the queue to get in. 

The depth in this league is silly.

In this scenario, I'd question why it would be doubtful that an 8-2 UWSP would be regionally ranked higher than a 9-1 St. John's. If quality of wins (who you beat) is a strong determinent, St. John's would only have C-M compared to UWSP's UWW.

[wally_wabash]

I'll just say it.  The UWSP game concerns me more than usual.  With the issues UWW is having in the defensive backfield as well as the amount of game footage available to UWSP, I worry their offense will put a lot of pressure on UWW overall.  I'm not predicting an outcome, I'm just saying this game has a scary feel to it for me.

From a WIAC perspective, a UWSP victory would surely create an interesting scenario for Pool C.  Just for fun, what if UWSP were to win out, finishing 8-2 with UWO/UWP finishing 9-1 and the other finishing 8-2- and UWW finishing 9-1?
I assume UWW wins conference and the committees get to decide if 4 WIAC team should make the playoffs.

Just so I'm following- UWSP wins out and finishes 8-2 which leaves UWW at 9-1.  Then you've got the winner of UWP/UWO finishing 9-1, and the loser finishing 8-2 leaving a final set of WIAC standings as such:

UWW 6-1, 9-1
UWP/UWO winner 6-1, 9-1
UWP/UWO loser 5-2, 8-2
UWSP 5-2, 8-2

I think that all can work out that way if I'm reading schedules correctly. 

This is messy. Whether UWW gets ranked ahead of their WIAC co-champion is irrelevant for the Warhawks because they have h2h tiebreaks over both of those teams.  UWW goes in through Pool A. 

From there I think it would be tough to rank UWSP ahead of either UWO or UWP because of the h2h's.  Would the more recent win over UWW counter those older h2h's?  I wouldn't think so, but who knows what the committee might do.  John Carroll is going to be a ranked team, so advantage UWO.  UWSP's non-league action isn't helping them out at all...no RRO help there for the Pointers.  UWP may get some help from Lakeland.  Too early to tell if they can squeeze into the North top 10 if they get to 8-2.  They'd be right on the edge I think. 

Anyway, I think the order of regional ranking in your scenario would be UWW, UWP/UWO winner, UWP/UWO loser, then UWSP.  UWW goes in through Pool A.  Then you've got two other WIACs before you can even get to UWSP, provided UWSP even gets ranked (I suspect they would if they got to 8-2 and a Warhawk feather in their cap).  Would they be ranked ahead of St. John's?  Doubtful.  So I think you'd have, at best, UWSP fourth in line out of the West region alone and that's probably too deep in the queue to get in. 

The depth in this league is silly.

In this scenario, I'd question why it would be doubtful that an 8-2 UWSP would be regionally ranked higher than a 9-1 St. John's. If quality of wins (who you beat) is a strong determinent, St. John's would only have C-M compared to UWSP's UWW.

Not impossible for UWSP to be ranked ahead of St. John's, but I'll stand by my thinking that it is very improbable.  I just don't see the West RAC ranking the fourth place WIAC team ahead of the MIAC runner up.  This is the same group that ranked Whitworth ahead of Platteville last season, despite Platteville crushing Whitworth in every piece of criteria except win percentage. 

You're not wrong to question why UWSP would be ranked behind St. John's, but history informs us that that seems the most likely endgame.   

[Just the stats]

RIP Voice and sympathy to all the Warhawk fans. Somewhere, though, I imagine that there is a manufacturer out there saying, "now what am i going to do with all these pairs of purple dress pants?" Voice definitely wore his colors on his sleeves, and on his pants, his socks, his hats, etc.

[emma17]

UWP at UWO. I can check the Pickems to get a feel for how folks think the game will go, I'm curious how the UWP and UWO faithful feel?
Was UWO 63-28 better than UWP last year? 

Having watched both vs UWW I'd have to give the defense nod to UWO but not by much.
I'm a bit surprised that Kelly isn't more accurate w his throws, he really misfires at times. But in the end he produces as the receivers are tough. Will UWP get the ball to Arnold?

[UWO Titan 78]

I haven't been able to watch as much of the Titans online as I would like. I think this game will come down to quarterback play. The Titan defense will keep them in any game, IMO. The Titans are going to have to be more balanced on offense than they have been. If we can get the passing game going, I like our chances. Hopefully a big Homecoming crowd shows up and gives us a boost.

[badgerwarhawk]

UWP at UWO. I can check the Pickems to get a feel for how folks think the game will go, I'm curious how the UWP and UWO faithful feel?
Was UWO 63-28 better than UWP last year? 

Having watched both vs UWW I'd have to give the defense nod to UWO but not by much.
I'm a bit surprised that Kelly isn't more accurate w his throws, he really misfires at times. But in the end he produces as the receivers are tough. Will UWP get the ball to Arnold?

Will the sun rise in the east?

[palum]

UWP at UWO. I can check the Pickems to get a feel for how folks think the game will go, I'm curious how the UWP and UWO faithful feel?
Was UWO 63-28 better than UWP last year? 

Having watched both vs UWW I'd have to give the defense nod to UWO but not by much.
I'm a bit surprised that Kelly isn't more accurate w his throws, he really misfires at times. But in the end he produces as the receivers are tough. Will UWP get the ball to Arnold?

I don't think the 63-28 loss to Oshkosh last year was a good indication of Platteville's team last year they had some internal issues and played very flat against a Oshkosh team that could do nothing wrong.  This years game should be a contest of a unstoppable force (Platteville) meeting an immovable object (Oshkosh).  Looking at the common opponents Platteville gained 420 yards and scored 24 points against WW, while Oshkosh gained 346 yards and scored 14 points.  Platteville gained 529 yards and scored 47 points against SP and Oshkosh gained 284 yards and scored 13 points.  Against WW Platteville allowed 409 yards and 30 points.  Oshkosh allowed 270 yards and 17 points against WW.  Against SP Platteville allowed 350 yards and 31 points, while Oshkosh allowed 302 yards and 3 points.  I found it interesting that both Oshkosh and Platteville out-gained WW and still lost the game.  This leads me to believe that turn overs may be the deciding factor in tomorrows game.  Both Oshkosh and Platteville had costly turn overs against WW.     

[emma17]

UWP at UWO. I can check the Pickems to get a feel for how folks think the game will go, I'm curious how the UWP and UWO faithful feel?
Was UWO 63-28 better than UWP last year? 

Having watched both vs UWW I'd have to give the defense nod to UWO but not by much.
I'm a bit surprised that Kelly isn't more accurate w his throws, he really misfires at times. But in the end he produces as the receivers are tough. Will UWP get the ball to Arnold?

I don't think the 63-28 loss to Oshkosh last year was a good indication of Platteville's team last year they had some internal issues and played very flat against a Oshkosh team that could do nothing wrong.  This years game should be a contest of a unstoppable force (Platteville) meeting an immovable object (Oshkosh).  Looking at the common opponents Platteville gained 420 yards and scored 24 points against WW, while Oshkosh gained 346 yards and scored 14 points.  Platteville gained 529 yards and scored 47 points against SP and Oshkosh gained 284 yards and scored 13 points.  Against WW Platteville allowed 409 yards and 30 points.  Oshkosh allowed 270 yards and 17 points against WW.  Against SP Platteville allowed 350 yards and 31 points, while Oshkosh allowed 302 yards and 3 points.  I found it interesting that both Oshkosh and Platteville out-gained WW and still lost the game.  This leads me to believe that turn overs may be the deciding factor in tomorrows game.  Both Oshkosh and Platteville had costly turn overs against WW.   

Thanks for laying the numbers out Palum. I think it's fair to say that UWP will see a stronger D but a weaker O from UWO. In most cases I'd favor the stronger D. However, UWP just may have enough of a talent edge on O that it overcomes their weaker D.
If both teams can eliminate turnovers this should be a great game- like the drama from a couple years ago.

[bulk19]

Blugold/Eagle fans can watch the UWEC/UWL game tomorrow on WQOW TV18 in EC and WXOW 19 in La Crosse tomorrow starting at 11 a.m.

[cubs]

So are the Whitewater fans pulling one way or the other in the Oshkosh vs Platteville game? Would have to think the loser is likely on thin ice when it comes to a Pool C bid, so who would Whitewater fans rather see lose and have their postseason hopes be put in jeopardy?

[bleedpurple]

So are the Whitewater fans pulling one way or the other in the Oshkosh vs Platteville game? Would have to think the loser is likely on thin ice when it comes to a Pool C bid, so who would Whitewater fans rather see lose and have their postseason hopes be put in jeopardy?

Oshkosh. But that's just me.