FB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[bleedpurple]

Oz's point (correct me if I'm wrong) was that the last three years of strong 2nd tier teams led some of us to think it was standard operating procedure for the WIAC to be so strong at the top. I believe Oz's reference to the "last three years" was generally in regard to 2017, 2016 and 2015.
I replied to his post to show him the error of his ways in that the top three teams in the WIAC (not counting 2018) have been very strong for much longer than three years. Nobody is arguing that 2018 WIAC is the same as previous years.

As for what definition to use for legit "Emma's personal opinion? OJ's personal opinion?" - do you want to be right or wrong?

Yes, you understand my point.  The WAIC has for a long, long time turned out good teams but only one could rise above the cacophony to make the post-season.  Over the last three years (the years you list) the WIAC easily placed two and argued for three (did they get three once?).  All through the UWW years, yes, a strong second team was often present but that is consistent with my argument.  My argument is that the schools are largely funded the same, same in admin and goals, etc, being part of the Wisconsin school network.  So normal is only one team, the AQ, getting out because the system is "rigged" to keep everyone competitive.  Abnormal are two clear standouts.  The last three years of a separation were particularly abnormal in with three standouts.

This largely happened, IMO, because UWW dominated for so long that it essentially removed itself from the discussion and a second team was able to make the space to qualify.  Now that UWW has drifted down a bit following coaching changes, the field returns to the normal behaviour.  A year or two on top and a good run followed by a return to the pack as evenly match teams (as per the system) catch up (as per UWO).

Obviously, I could be wrong but when you have a system where essentially even sized marbles are put into a bag then the marbles all tend to get up at one selection time or another.  If one marble becomes particularly sticky, then the rest of the marbles still behave the same after the sticky one comes out first.

Well they're not even-sized marbles. UWW is getting the best players because, currently, they have the best stuff. They also have the highest undergrad enrollment. They're basically the Yankees. They should win.

Oh boy- here we go.
I remember visiting UWW in 1983, along with several other schools- at different levels. None of the other programs/stadiums competed w UWW-I was so impressed. I was also happy with the larger enrollment of UWW as I was coming from a larger high school. Yet amazingly enough, with all that "best stuff" and larger enrollment UWW had in place for all those years, they didn't win a championship until 2007, 24 years after I thought they had it all in place.

As usual, I fail to understand the point you're trying to make, unless it's that UWW had garbage athletic administration all those years. Besides, La Crosse had way better stuff in 1983. That's why they won.

I'm sure  Emma can speak for himself, but I doubt he is  making a point that UW-W had garbage athletic administration all those years.  While no national championships were won, UW-W did win 9 conference championships between 1984 and 2007.  I know Emma said "they didn't win a championship until 2007".  He doesn't exactly put the high value on conference championships that some of us do.  UW-W also won two national championships in basketball during those years. So, unless your tongue was firmly in your cheek, the idea UW-W had a "garbage athletic administration all those years" would be a pretty odd guess at what Emma meant.

[Mr. Ypsi]

Interesting stuff Oz. Are you a sociology major?   Also, you mentioned last week your disillusionment with the NFL due to what I perceived you believe is a sort of a forced parity.  Is your view of the WIAC similar? And if so is that part of the reason that the WIAC rubs you the wrong way at times? ...Or does that have more to do with us posters? 

Sociology?  Ha.  I work for a living.

NFL;  Kind of parity, more an issue of universal excellence.  The variability due to it just being damn hard to master the game has been squashed from the competition.  It's engineered to within a hair's width of perfection so there is very little surprise left.  In the NFL disparity is usually do to a player falling down from the universal standard that all teams basically have achieved (mistakes most often turn the game, like the coverage error in last year's playoffs that let the Vikings past the Saints), in DIII it is more because a team rises above the standard.  More inspirational and enjoyable for me.

WIAC;  What's to like?

As a retired sociology lecturer, I resemble that remark!

But I have NO clue what in his post led you to believe he was a sociology major.  It had no resemblance to any sociology I'm familiar with.

[bleedpurple]

Interesting stuff Oz. Are you a sociology major?   Also, you mentioned last week your disillusionment with the NFL due to what I perceived you believe is a sort of a forced parity.  Is your view of the WIAC similar? And if so is that part of the reason that the WIAC rubs you the wrong way at times? ...Or does that have more to do with us posters? 

Sociology?  Ha.  I work for a living.

NFL;  Kind of parity, more an issue of universal excellence.  The variability due to it just being damn hard to master the game has been squashed from the competition.  It's engineered to within a hair's width of perfection so there is very little surprise left.  In the NFL disparity is usually do to a player falling down from the universal standard that all teams basically have achieved (mistakes most often turn the game, like the coverage error in last year's playoffs that let the Vikings past the Saints), in DIII it is more because a team rises above the standard.  More inspirational and enjoyable for me.

WIAC;  What's to like?

As a retired sociology lecturer, I resemble that remark!

But I have NO clue what in his post led you to believe he was a sociology major.  It had no resemblance to any sociology I'm familiar with.

I guess I was just enamored by the marbles and saw Oz's post as an analysis of the relationships between them. Sort of a mix between a metaphor and only having about a 30% understanding of what sociology truly entails. lol

[OzJohnnie]

...and only having about a 30% understanding of what sociology truly entails. lol

You and me both, brother. 

[Mr. Ypsi]

...and only having about a 30% understanding of what sociology truly entails. lol

You and me both, brother. 

Hey, that makes three of us - why do you think I retired?!

[bleedpurple]

...and only having about a 30% understanding of what sociology truly entails. lol

You and me both, brother. 

Hey, that makes three of us - why do you think I retired?!

[hazzben]

...and only having about a 30% understanding of what sociology truly entails. lol

You and me both, brother. 

Hey, that makes three of us - why do you think I retired?!

Ha! + k to all three of you. That was a pretty funny back and forth. And miraculously, no one took themselves too seriously and got their undies in a bunch. Though I'm assuming Oz wears a man-thong or something like that, they do things a little different down under

[retagent]

...and only having about a 30% understanding of what sociology truly entails. lol

You and me both, brother. 

Hey, that makes three of us - why do you think I retired?!

Ha! + k to all three of you. That was a pretty funny back and forth. And miraculously, no one took themselves too seriously and got their undies in a bunch. Though I'm assuming Oz wears a man-thong or something like that, they do things a little different down under

I hope you meant that in both ways.

[emma17]

Bleed- I appreciate your explanation of my convoluted thoughts. You defend me well. I'm probably misinterpreting ww's definition of "best stuff". UWW had my version of the "best stuff" way back in 1983. The Perk- which was and is nicer than UWL's stadium, the enrollment, the facilities, the geographic recruiting area and they had a supportive administration as far as I could tell- to me, that's all good and winning "stuff". With all that stuff, they should be the Yankees.
I think it's over-simplified to think the best stuff and the largest enrollment will lead to national dominance- and it discounts the incredible individual contributions made by so many people associated with the program. 
 

Anyway, I tried to find a video of OZ in a thong (that doesn't sound right), but all I could find was Oz and his tongs.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wadjUCn_exk

[bleedpurple]

Bleed- I appreciate your explanation of my convoluted thoughts. You defend me well. I'm probably misinterpreting ww's definition of "best stuff". UWW had my version of the "best stuff" way back in 1983. The Perk- which was and is nicer than UWL's stadium, the enrollment, the facilities, the geographic recruiting area and they had a supportive administration as far as I could tell- to me, that's all good and winning "stuff". With all that stuff, they should be the Yankees.
I think it's over-simplified to think the best stuff and the largest enrollment will lead to national dominance- and it discounts the incredible individual contributions made by so many people associated with the program. 
 

Anyway, I tried to find a video of OZ in a thong (that doesn't sound right), but all I could find was Oz and his tongs.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wadjUCn_exk

Awesome video! But now I am even more confused than I normally am. I have always kind of sheepishly called the things that go on feet thongs, not tongs.  Have I been saying thongs when I didn't have to???

[OzJohnnie]

Anyway, I tried to find a video of OZ in a thong (that doesn't sound right), but all I could find was Oz and his tongs.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wadjUCn_exk

Ha!  I was afraid to click. That was good.

[hazzben]

Anyway, I tried to find a video of OZ in a thong (that doesn't sound right), but all I could find was Oz and his tongs.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wadjUCn_exk

Ha!  I was afraid to click. That was good.

Hahaha. Gold!!

[emma17]

Anyway, I tried to find a video of OZ in a thong (that doesn't sound right), but all I could find was Oz and his tongs.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wadjUCn_exk

Ha!  I was afraid to click. That was good.

Unfortunately, I've had a couple occasions where I could have been the star of that video. Thank God for friends and family.

[hazzben]

I've always called the flip flops thongs too bleed 

[bleedpurple]

I've always called the flip flops thongs too bleed

Oh good!  Thank you! I'm so glad there are two definitions! i was beginning to wonder what people must have thought all these years when I said things like "I forgot my thongs." Or, "I have to buy some new thongs."