FB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[MUC57]

2014 was a different animal. IIRC UWW already had the WIAC crown in hand heading into the UWRF game. And the 2014  UWW team didn't give up 400 passing yards to anybody, or for that matter, 200+ in a few other league games, like the 2019 team did. Apples. Oranges. This team isn't as good, particularly its pass defense. Doesn't mean they can't win.

Not really the point Johnny come lately (I'm not implying you're a SJU guy).
The point is this. UWW has played in 9 Stagg Bowls, requiring 36 playoff victories (if my math is right) to get there. In every season there were doubts about this or that. Before every big playoff game there was the same chatter "UWW's not this and not that and look how they didn't win such and such games as convincingly as a true champion would and how can they stop a Gagliardi trophy winner and how can they stop a two-time Gagliardi trophy winner" and on and on.
UWW is different this year for sure, but so is this season in general. No MT and no UMHB.
Here's what I see, SJU barely got by Stout, scored very few points vs Bethel and fell apart v Concordia.
UWW doesn't have to be 2013 or 2014 good, they just have to be UWW good. And one thing that cannot he argued, is UWW proved w 6 national championships that they are really, really good at stopping the teams all the other programs couldn't.

emma17
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Pointing out 6 national championship says a lot about, not just "a" team, but also about the quality of the "program". You have the program, the history and the tradition. Knowledgeable people will recognize that.

[jamtod]

2014 was a different animal. IIRC UWW already had the WIAC crown in hand heading into the UWRF game. And the 2014  UWW team didn't give up 400 passing yards to anybody, or for that matter, 200+ in a few other league games, like the 2019 team did. Apples. Oranges. This team isn't as good, particularly its pass defense. Doesn't mean they can't win.

Not really the point Johnny come lately (I'm not implying you're a SJU guy).
The point is this. UWW has played in 9 Stagg Bowls, requiring 36 playoff victories (if my math is right) to get there. In every season there were doubts about this or that. Before every big playoff game there was the same chatter "UWW's not this and not that and look how they didn't win such and such games as convincingly as a true champion would and how can they stop a Gagliardi trophy winner and how can they stop a two-time Gagliardi trophy winner" and on and on.
UWW is different this year for sure, but so is this season in general. No MT and no UMHB.
Here's what I see, SJU barely got by Stout, scored very few points vs Bethel and fell apart v Concordia.
UWW doesn't have to be 2013 or 2014 good, they just have to be UWW good. And one thing that cannot he argued, is UWW proved w 6 national championships that they are really, really good at stopping the teams all the other programs couldn't.

Ehh, Whitewater's championship in 2014 is about as meaningful for this year as SJU's championship in 2003. Different coach, different players.

It's fun for rhetorical purposes but it's ultimately a pointless dismissal of any discussion about whatever weaknesses this team has.

[bleedpurple]

2014 was a different animal. IIRC UWW already had the WIAC crown in hand heading into the UWRF game. And the 2014  UWW team didn't give up 400 passing yards to anybody, or for that matter, 200+ in a few other league games, like the 2019 team did. Apples. Oranges. This team isn't as good, particularly its pass defense. Doesn't mean they can't win.

Not really the point Johnny come lately (I'm not implying you're a SJU guy).
The point is this. UWW has played in 9 Stagg Bowls, requiring 36 playoff victories (if my math is right) to get there. In every season there were doubts about this or that. Before every big playoff game there was the same chatter "UWW's not this and not that and look how they didn't win such and such games as convincingly as a true champion would and how can they stop a Gagliardi trophy winner and how can they stop a two-time Gagliardi trophy winner" and on and on.
UWW is different this year for sure, but so is this season in general. No MT and no UMHB.
Here's what I see, SJU barely got by Stout, scored very few points vs Bethel and fell apart v Concordia.
UWW doesn't have to be 2013 or 2014 good, they just have to be UWW good. And one thing that cannot he argued, is UWW proved w 6 national championships that they are really, really good at stopping the teams all the other programs couldn't.

Ehh, Whitewater's championship in 2014 is about as meaningful for this year as SJU's championship in 2003. Different coach, different players.

It's fun for rhetorical purposes but it's ultimately a pointless dismissal of any discussion about whatever weaknesses this team has.

Actually it's not a pointless dismissal. I think his primary point is that we've heard all of the doubts before. Every National Championship was preceded with doubts as to whether that particular team had what it took to win it all. And when people refer to a River Falls game, it's just such a blatant repeat of history, that it's hard not to go there.  Fine, 411 passing yards allowed to River Falls. Never mind that over 180 of those yard happened in the last 17 minutes of the game after UW-W had taken an insurmountable 42-13 lead.

If you believe our defense sucks, watch the game Saturday.

Pound the Rock, Hawks!

[OzJohnnie]

Actually it's not a pointless dismissal. I think his primary point is that we've heard all of the doubts before. Every National Championship was preceded with doubts as to whether that particular team had what it took to win it all. And when people refer to a River Falls game, it's just such a blatant repeat of history, that it's hard not to go there.  Fine, 411 passing yards allowed to River Falls. Never mind that over 180 of those yard happened in the last 17 minutes of the game after UW-W had taken an insurmountable 42-13 lead.

If you believe our defense sucks, watch the game Saturday.

Pound the Rock, Hawks!

Were the non-championship years also filled with doubts from opposing teams?  If so then I declare those years and not the championship years dispositive.

And no one believes that the UWW defense sucks.  Tommies suck, that is known.  Many merely believe the UWW defense is vulnerable to defeat.  Of course, you make think differently and a sleepwalk into the Stagg is possible.  I suppose that's true.  Give it a try and let's find out.

[kubiack78]

Three members of the University of Wisconsin-Whitewater football team, Matt Anderson, Jacob Frey, and Matthew Saager were selected to the 2019 Academic All-America® Division III Football First Team by the College Sports Information Directors of America. No other school had more than two players selected to the 1st team.

"Anderson carries a cumulative grade point average of 4.0 on a 4.0 scale and is majoring in biology. He is a three-time member of the WIAC Scholastic Honor Roll and UW-Whitewater's Dean's List, and is a recipient of the university's Chancellor's Scholarship.
 
Frey ranks fourth on the team with 61 tackles and enters Saturday's game with seven passes defended, one fumble recovery and 0.5 tackles for a loss. He carries a 3.99 GPA majoring in accounting and finance and is a three-time member of the WIAC Scholastic Honor Roll.
 
Saager, who garnered second team All-WIAC accolades in 2018, has been a mainstay in the offensive line rotation for the last three seasons. He was named the team's representative on the WIAC All-Sportsmanship this season and is a three-year WIAC Scholastic Honor Roll winner. Saager is majoring in accounting and holds a 3.97 GPA."

Senior linebacker Matt Anderson (Rockford, Ill./Lutheran) is the Academic All-America® of the Year, the first in program history and only the third winner of the award in the history of UW-Whitewater athletics.

Link: https://academicallamerica.com/documents/2019/12/11//2019_d3_aaa_football.pdf?id=3080

That can't be right. I was told public schools don't have smart athletes because their admission standards are so much lower than private schools.

Notwithstanding your tongues being deeply embedded in your cheeks, I'm sure you know that's not how it works. I refer you to a bell curve. Since there are roughly 5 times the number of students at UWW, it stands to reason that there will be more, in absolute numbers, high achievers. That's where the number of students makes a difference, as opposed to on the athletic front. I would also posit that UWW has a higher number of logic impaired students as well.

And given the IQ does not distribute normally but instead on a curve called a Pareto distribution, it's virtually guaranteed that UWW has a significantly higher number of logic impaired students.  Perhaps that's why the playbook is written in crayon.  (Pretty colors, though)

DURRRR... whats a playbook???  I was always the bottle cap when da coach was drawin up dem plays in the dirt

[DuffMan]

Alright, you guys have shown me the light.  It'll be a miracle if the Johnnies can put up any points on the machine.  UWW has proven that they're untouchable this year.  Congrats in advance to the Harvard of Wisconsin on this year's NCAA title.

[kubiack78]

About time you saw the light.  Only took about 15 years

[emma17]

2014 was a different animal. IIRC UWW already had the WIAC crown in hand heading into the UWRF game. And the 2014  UWW team didn't give up 400 passing yards to anybody, or for that matter, 200+ in a few other league games, like the 2019 team did. Apples. Oranges. This team isn't as good, particularly its pass defense. Doesn't mean they can't win.

Not really the point Johnny come lately (I'm not implying you're a SJU guy).
The point is this. UWW has played in 9 Stagg Bowls, requiring 36 playoff victories (if my math is right) to get there. In every season there were doubts about this or that. Before every big playoff game there was the same chatter "UWW's not this and not that and look how they didn't win such and such games as convincingly as a true champion would and how can they stop a Gagliardi trophy winner and how can they stop a two-time Gagliardi trophy winner" and on and on.
UWW is different this year for sure, but so is this season in general. No MT and no UMHB.
Here's what I see, SJU barely got by Stout, scored very few points vs Bethel and fell apart v Concordia.
UWW doesn't have to be 2013 or 2014 good, they just have to be UWW good. And one thing that cannot he argued, is UWW proved w 6 national championships that they are really, really good at stopping the teams all the other programs couldn't.

Ehh, Whitewater's championship in 2014 is about as meaningful for this year as SJU's championship in 2003. Different coach, different players.

It's fun for rhetorical purposes but it's ultimately a pointless dismissal of any discussion about whatever weaknesses this team has.

So many people to dialogue with here.
First, your ill-informed point (you obviously didn't attend UWW). Here's the deal, UWW regular season 2019 on its own would play into your point.
However, your point dulls to the point of silliness because... UWW just beat the defending national champions. I'm sure your first instinct will be to tell us all how 2019 UMHB wasn't 2018 UMHB, blah, blah, blah. The point is, except for Bleedpurple, I don't imagine many people thought 2019 UWW had a real chance against 2019 UMHB. But, UWW of last Saturday looked a whole heck of a lot more like UWW of 2013 and 2014 than it did 2019 regular season. It could be something's in the air.

[emma17]

Actually it's not a pointless dismissal. I think his primary point is that we've heard all of the doubts before. Every National Championship was preceded with doubts as to whether that particular team had what it took to win it all. And when people refer to a River Falls game, it's just such a blatant repeat of history, that it's hard not to go there.  Fine, 411 passing yards allowed to River Falls. Never mind that over 180 of those yard happened in the last 17 minutes of the game after UW-W had taken an insurmountable 42-13 lead.

If you believe our defense sucks, watch the game Saturday.

Pound the Rock, Hawks!

Were the non-championship years also filled with doubts from opposing teams?  If so then I declare those years and not the championship years dispositive.

And no one believes that the UWW defense sucks.  Tommies suck, that is known.  Many merely believe the UWW defense is vulnerable to defeat.  Of course, you make think differently and a sleepwalk into the Stagg is possible.  I suppose that's true.  Give it a try and let's find out.

Surely nobody from UWW has suggested this game will be a cakewalk, but you can play that silly card if that's how you like to roll.
What I (maybe some we) suggest is simple- just because SJU and the current Gagliardi trophy holder has shown most defenses to be vulnerable to the deep pass, doesn't mean UWW will be shown to be vulnerable to the deep pass.

[emma17]

I think we have to go back to 2007 to find a team that won the Stagg with a loss (non D3), and to 2005 for a Stagg Bowl champ that lost to a D3 team.
3-4 left carry a D3 loss into the final four this weekend. At least one of them will have a shot at the Stagg.

2019 sure is different.

[bleedpurple]

Alright, you guys have shown me the light.  It'll be a miracle if the Johnnies can put up any points on the machine.  UWW has proven that they're untouchable this year.  Congrats in advance to the Harvard of Wisconsin on this year's NCAA title.

All right. One down. That was easy. Who's next?

[emma17]

Alright, you guys have shown me the light.  It'll be a miracle if the Johnnies can put up any points on the machine.  UWW has proven that they're untouchable this year.  Congrats in advance to the Harvard of Wisconsin on this year's NCAA title.

All right. One down. That was easy. Who's next?

Maybe Erdmann reads these boards, he likely won't even make the trip down.

[kubiack78]

Went back and looked at some old posts of mine.  Guess I had some anger issues about 10 years ago lol:

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West Region football / Re: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
« on: September 19, 2009, 04:14:27 am »
Sorry for the grammar... all of you loser MIAC grads but I have a feeling that UWW is going to the Stagg again.  I know you guys hate this since 2005... but of well.  I really don't care.  Yes I am a former warhawk (kubiack)  and I am very proud of what they have done in the past 5+ years and I would put them up against any team in NAIA or DII. I have not been to a game since 2005 (Wesley) and enjoyed my self running into old teamates from the late 80's / early 90's  Janseville I know you got my back  thats all I have right now, Just finished a bottle of Jack... dont get liquor that often, you got a smart ass remark,  give me an address and I'm sure that I can be at your address within the next 9 weeks and we can talk about it, I have lots of time during my vacations

[bleedpurple]

Went back and looked at some old posts of mine.  Guess I had some anger issues about 10 years ago lol:

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West Region football / Re: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
« on: September 19, 2009, 04:14:27 am »
Sorry for the grammar... all of you loser MIAC grads but I have a feeling that UWW is going to the Stagg again.  I know you guys hate this since 2005... but of well.  I really don't care.  Yes I am a former warhawk (kubiack)  and I am very proud of what they have done in the past 5+ years and I would put them up against any team in NAIA or DII. I have not been to a game since 2005 (Wesley) and enjoyed my self running into old teamates from the late 80's / early 90's  Janseville I know you got my back  thats all I have right now, Just finished a bottle of Jack... dont get liquor that often, you got a smart ass remark,  give me an address and I'm sure that I can be at your address within the next 9 weeks and we can talk about it, I have lots of time during my vacations

Maybe a bit of an anger issue.  Looks like you had no problem with alcohol though! 

[02 Warhawk]

Oh....those were the days. Tailgating hard Saturday morning then drunk posting after the playoff win.