FB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[bleedpurple]

Bleed, did not get your d m.

Re-sent!

[emma17]

Well, it's a big week U Dub Dubbers and I, for one, can hardly wait for Saturday.  Your boys stepped into our lion's den last year and this year I'm excited to see our boys do the same.  Massey has the Warhawks as four-point favourites.  Let's hope it's a hell of a game and both teams put out their best.

This is such an unusual early season. Speaking for myself, I've no idea what to expect from UWW- a new head coach and a new QB (the starter vs JCU was also a surprise) make it hard to project.
I'm super excited for the game but it's on as much a "wait and see" basis as I ever remember.

[The Third Division]

So the only time river falls was outright conference champions was in 1979, but why did they compete in the NAIA tournament even though they were part of a d3 conference?

[bleedpurple]

So the only time river falls was outright conference champions was in 1979, but why did they compete in the NAIA tournament even though they were part of a d3 conference?

Fom 1973 to 1983 the WIAC (WSUC back in the day) were dual members of both the NAIA and the NCAA D-III. The first year of NCAA D-III football was 1973.  The NAIA and the NCAA both had playoffs that year that consisted of four teams each. By 1979 each organization had expanded their playoffs to eight teams.

[The Third Division]

So the only time river falls was outright conference champions was in 1979, but why did they compete in the NAIA tournament even though they were part of a d3 conference?

Fom 1973 to 1983 the WIAC (WSUC back in the day) were dual members of both the NAIA and the NCAA D-III. The first year of NCAA D-III football was 1973.  The NAIA and the NCAA both had playoffs that year that consisted of four teams each. By 1979 each organization had expanded their playoffs to eight teams.

At what point did the duality end?

[bleedpurple]

So the only time river falls was outright conference champions was in 1979, but why did they compete in the NAIA tournament even though they were part of a d3 conference?

Fom 1973 to 1983 the WIAC (WSUC back in the day) were dual members of both the NAIA and the NCAA D-III. The first year of NCAA D-III football was 1973.  The NAIA and the NCAA both had playoffs that year that consisted of four teams each. By 1979 each organization had expanded their playoffs to eight teams.

At what point did the duality end?

1983 was the last year of the association with the NAIA.

UW-Eau Claire has the distinction of being the last representative of the WSUC to participate in an NAIA playoff (1979).  UW-La Crosse accepted the first WSUC NCAA playoff bid in 1983, the last year of the dual membership era.

[emma17]

Bleed, I read your Random Thoughts article- well done. There were some really impressive achievements.

One stat category I'd caution on is the yards per carry for UWW. In your article you explain JCU's high yards per carry avg, suggesting it was 2-3 big plays that are correctable or enabled by holding.
UWW's gawdy yards per carry was also influenced by two 40 yard runs. Take 80 yards out of the net total and the ypc is only decent. Likely more importantly, one of the long runs, resulting in a Warhawk TD, was from the QB- a complete unknown to JCU. Now that there is game film, it will be interesting to see how St. John's defends.

[bleedpurple]

Bleed, I read your Random Thoughts article- well done. There were some really impressive achievements.

One stat category I'd caution on is the yards per carry for UWW. In your article you explain JCU's high yards per carry avg, suggesting it was 2-3 big plays that are correctable or enabled by holding.
UWW's gawdy yards per carry was also influenced by two 40 yard runs. Take 80 yards out of the net total and the ypc is only decent. Likely more importantly, one of the long runs, resulting in a Warhawk TD, was from the QB- a complete unknown to JCU. Now that there is game film, it will be interesting to see how St. John's defends.

Thanks, Emma.

I do think that often times 6 yards per carry on a significant number of carries will involve some longer runs. Probably more often than not, in fact.  But that's a hats off to the offense. From a JCU perspective, I believe that they they ought to be very encouraged with their ypc. I don't think they should be downgraded that most of their yardage came on four runs. Hats off to them for those runs. I was just saying they didn't consistently run all over us and the cause is correctible.  In the same way, hat's off to UW-W for the longer runs they had but JCU should not be overly alarmed either.  I think they will be very good against the run this year. I think both can be true.

As far as Ogden, I agree, the pressure is on St John's. But speed kills. Knowing about it is one thing. Stopping it is another. Ceniti is also a heck of an athlete. I look forward to him doing some damage as well! Saturday is going to be a good one!

[hazzben]

So the only time river falls was outright conference champions was in 1979, but why did they compete in the NAIA tournament even though they were part of a d3 conference?

Fom 1973 to 1983 the WIAC (WSUC back in the day) were dual members of both the NAIA and the NCAA D-III. The first year of NCAA D-III football was 1973.  The NAIA and the NCAA both had playoffs that year that consisted of four teams each. By 1979 each organization had expanded their playoffs to eight teams.

At what point did the duality end?

1983 was the last year of the association with the NAIA.

UW-Eau Claire has the distinction of being the last representative of the WSUC to participate in an NAIA playoff (1979).  UW-La Crosse accepted the first WSUC NCAA playoff bid in 1983, the last year of the dual membership era.

Was UW-Lax not a part of the WSUC in the 80's? They had multiple teams play in the NAIA playoffs all the way up to 89 and won the title in 85.

[bleedpurple]

So the only time river falls was outright conference champions was in 1979, but why did they compete in the NAIA tournament even though they were part of a d3 conference?

Fom 1973 to 1983 the WIAC (WSUC back in the day) were dual members of both the NAIA and the NCAA D-III. The first year of NCAA D-III football was 1973.  The NAIA and the NCAA both had playoffs that year that consisted of four teams each. By 1979 each organization had expanded their playoffs to eight teams.

At what point did the duality end?

1983 was the last year of the association with the NAIA.

UW-Eau Claire has the distinction of being the last representative of the WSUC to participate in an NAIA playoff (1979).  UW-La Crosse accepted the first WSUC NCAA playoff bid in 1983, the last year of the dual membership era.

Was UW-Lax not a part of the WSUC in the 80's? They had multiple teams play in the NAIA playoffs all the way up to 89 and won the title in 85.

You are right!  My mistake. I was confused in looking things up because NAIA went to two divisions and I was looking at Division one, in which the WSUC was listed through 1983. While I thought I was missing a UW-L Natty, it didn't really bother me. 

Seriously, thanks for double checking.

[hazzben]

While I thought I was missing a UW-L Natty, it didn't really bother me. 

Ha!

[badgerwarhawk]

 

Bleed, I read your Random Thoughts article- well done. There were some really impressive achievements.

One stat category I'd caution on is the yards per carry for UWW. In your article you explain JCU's high yards per carry avg, suggesting it was 2-3 big plays that are correctable or enabled by holding.
UWW's gawdy yards per carry was also influenced by two 40 yard runs. Take 80 yards out of the net total and the ypc is only decent. Likely more importantly, one of the long runs, resulting in a Warhawk TD, was from the QB- a complete unknown to JCU. Now that there is game film, it will be interesting to see how St. John's defends.

If you take the touchdowns out of the game we were beaten.   

[GBMAN]

49-28 Wisconsin Whitewater over Saint John's with 6:07 left... Very impressed with Whitewater.

[02 Warhawk]

Thomas...next great UWW back since Coppage. Dude is special

[GBMAN]

Thomas with another rushing TD.. 3 rushing td's. and 179 rush yards. 56-28 Wisconsin Whitewater..