FB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[warhawkexpress28]

Why do we even care if two Stout FB players got busted for seeling the marching dust, and the D-ball.  Wow college football players using Roids and selling or using illegal drugs.  As anyone read the news this decade.  Last time I looked most ball players are type A personalities with very addictive behavoiral patterns.  

I really hope you were jokin on this one, especially coming from a school that is unfairly accused of steroid use year in and year out around the conference...  I would have thought your response would be different if you thought a team in the conference was getting a unfair advantage that your team wasnt getting..  weird??

[pastprime]

I have had a hard time reading about this.  I have been aware of this problem at Stout dating back to 2001 and said nothing.  I almost said something to OAS when we where talking during the Point/Linfield game but didn't.

[Just Bill]

Why do we even care if two Stout FB players got busted for seeling the marching dust, and the D-ball.  Wow college football players using Roids and selling or using illegal drugs.  As anyone read the news this decade.  Last time I looked most ball players are type A personalities with very addictive behavoiral patterns.   

In one paragraph you single-handedly brought back (and possibly reinforced) every suspicion I've ever had about the La Crosse program.

[Warhawk 96]

I think its a real shame what some people would do to play football. Football is temporary as hard as it may seem but it is. I would think that simply wanting to live past 40 and be healthy would be enough to deter people but it isn't. If they don't fear the loss of their own life then how can you punish them? Quite honestly they can test and test and test all they want to even if they had unlimited funds. All that would happen is they'd find a way to do it anyways. There has to be something inside of you that says I don't want to do it.

[stoutguy]

Obviously they didn't do enough steroids with the kind of record they posted this year.

Maybe it would have helped if I used one of these  faces for all of you to know that I was only kidding.  Some of you guys go right for the jugular.  Relax gentlemen. 

To me.....it just seemed rather ironic that a team that gets uncovered for using steroids (as the article specifically stated) goes 3-7.  Steroids are supposed to be used so you can win more games.  Note the irony in this situation!!!!!!

Take it easy Bill.  Quit judging every single person that you disagree with.

Good point, Captain.  I remember a few weeks ago, trying to make a point about the WW fans going over the line with the "F---" word chants and being ripped because I was a "Stoutguy" and had no business pointing fingers.  The cheering in the stands seems like pretty small news now given the stuff we are reading about.  Sorry to disagree, Lax LB, this is a big deal and this news is not going to go away soon.

[Pat Coleman]

Actually, the NCAA is moving towards year-round drug testing in D-III. About 100 schools are participating in a pilot program either this school year or next.

[foul_language]

This drug-induced discussion is interesting, especially viewed from a distance. On the one hand, we're all pointing fingers and lamenting the fact of drug and steroid use; on the other hand, we heap praise on the standouts in the sports. Once a player achieves a certain level of success, he or she takes a beating when there's a slip--take a look at postings when a player doesn't meet expectations.

We're a hard audience to please, and it's not a great time to be an average athlete.

I wouldn't condone use of steroids, because they represent a brief moment of glory followed by years of torment. However, I don't see any use in adding criticism to what is already a fairly tragic situation.

As far as the drug part of it, I could never understand how we pick and choose the habits we legalize vs the ones we demonize. As long as tobacco and alcohol are legal, I'll have a hard time finding fault with people who choose marijuana--I know, it's illegal, but that's the pointed question: why that and not the others? I have a little more trouble with cocaine, since  it seems self-destructive to indulge in that. Self destruction: bad.

But back to the other points: I believe we are a society that loves to build things up just so we can knock them down. We put people on pedestals because of a talent and then we knock ourselves silly looking for cracks in the facade. Find a crack and the person is done for. We spend internet hours hacking away at him or her for being subject to human failings.

We're a blood-thirsty lot. Maybe we need to back off on creating these oversized expectations.

[janesvilleflash]

You CAN recruit character. Most of the WIAC teams have a majority of good kids. The emphasis on winning is so great, that they also seem to recruit about 8 or 10 (about 10%) players who they know aren't likely to be good citizens or contribute anything except playing football.

It's all up to the coaches. The school and fans have to back them though, and most fans insist on winning and willingly look the other way when things like this happen. This incident is nothing new, and the only reason Stout is being criticized is because they happend to get caught. Every team in the league has similar problems, some to lesser degrees and some with worse.

Stout will probably put in some lame drug policy like LAX did. I read LAX's plan, and it does nothing to help the matter, just makes it look like they tried to do something.

[Devil Badger Gopher]

I hope this helps the school in trying to keep it clean and recruiting positive role models and "good kids".  Unfortunately, I think stout has been able to get by with "bad character" guys.  I think you can see it in their play with unnecessary celebrations, unsportsmanlike conduct, and bad judgement penalties alone.  It seems as if the team is losing discipline and focus. 

I really do hope that the coach can turn it around and make positive strides during this recruiting season, but that may mean to weed out the bad apples that exist. Starting fresh, as well, so the new young men do not get introduced into that world.

[UWPSUPERFAN77]

This is entertaining, both negatively and positively. Lost in the shuffle is the coaching interviews going at UWW? Any impressions? By the way, I do view this drug problem as a societal problem, not just A Stout problem. When we see behavioral problems, related to Steroids, or recreational drugs, just confront the person. They will often admit the problem without the test. I am not an AODA Counselor, but having had a lot of training in this area, this is my opinion. All of us, need to leave a positive impression on our young adults.. When people admit the problem we need to give them support and treatment. Blessings!

[Warhawk 96]

In the WCS standings (Whitewater Coach Series) I have it ranked like this:

1. Stan Zweifel (of course)
2. Lance Leipold (Also a member of the Whitewater family)
3. Curt Wiese
4. Rick Willis


Note: this is only my personal opinion of the candidates.

[janesvilleflash]

When do they announce the new coach?

[Warhawk 96]

I have no idea but i do know that Z is up tommorrow. If he is up tommorrow I wouldn't expect them to choose a coach for at least another week. They said that they would want to get a new coach started as soon as possible (like before the next semester starts) so that they can get recruiting started.

[chmarx]

Thoughtful post, Foul Language.

I'd give you karma if I could.

[WLCALUM83]

This drug-induced discussion is interesting, especially viewed from a distance. On the one hand, we're all pointing fingers and lamenting the fact of drug and steroid use; on the other hand, we heap praise on the standouts in the sports. Once a player achieves a certain level of success, he or she takes a beating when there's a slip--take a look at postings when a player doesn't meet expectations.

We're a hard audience to please, and it's not a great time to be an average athlete.

But back to the other points: I believe we are a society that loves to build things up just so we can knock them down. We put people on pedestals because of a talent and then we knock ourselves silly looking for cracks in the facade. Find a crack and the person is done for. We spend internet hours hacking away at him or her for being subject to human failings.

We're a blood-thirsty lot. Maybe we need to back off on creating these oversized expectations.

Good points here. This poster has read of few and far between instances in which several athletes have stated outright that they avoid reading articles on their own teams during the season. Sometimes I wonder how often D1 coaches like UW's Bielema and others quietly wish they weren't getting as much attention from the press as they do. (Bad news or no bad news).

Just another angle on the subject-- at times "locker room" material and sports conflicts give many of us more reason to "get our rabbit ears up" , at least at first. (Billy Martin vs, G Steinbrenner and T. O.'s tendencies to "go off", 2 cases in point).

We just need to tone down our expectations some.