FB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[UWWFan]

After doing some research and looking at Stan's resume on the UWW website and then looking at Lance Leipold's resume on the press release. I think they are both well qualified. Yes Stan has been at UWW for 16 years and he according to a friend of mine who coaches in the Madison area and went to UWW learned the zone offense from the Wisconsin staff after the 1993 season which Lance was a member of.
   During these sixteen years Lance has been an associated with the following programs Wisconsin 1991,192,1993 including the first big ten and rose bowl championship. 1995-2000 University of Nebraska Omaha,2000-2001 University of Nebraska including playing for the 2001 season BCS championship vs. Miami and then Nebraska Omaha again 2004-2006.
Stan has been at one place doing things the same way for 16 years. While Lance had been with three different programs in 16 years.
   Doing things differently and learning how to do things differently which in any buisness is a big thing.As the more experiences you get the better prepared and the more ways you have to handle them when they become an issue.
   As far as all the books and videos Stan has written and made. Big Whoop, I know several lawyers who have ben published over five dozen times and they are worth a squat in the court room. I won a case for one of my clients today against one who has been published over 50 times, and I have been a lawyer all of six years. Just because can write a book or two and produce some videos doesn't mean he is a good coach.I went to Law school at UW and the guy I beat out for the job went to Harvard. Does it mean he is better for the job ? Obviously not.
   Eagle_defender brings up a good point maybe it was his attitude that lost him his job. Getting along with your Boss according to 1 for 27 the puss and wet towel boy. As well as the big booster is important. Just like it is for me I need to get along with the judges who do my cases as well as all of my co-workers. Not just my clients.
   I am all in favor of putting this to rest the jury a.k.a. the search and screen committee as well as the Judge "The wet towel Puss" have ruled on the case and Lance Leipold wins the head coaching job at UW-Whitewater. Stan Zweifel on the other hand loses and must go on in life and get over this. Hopefully he decides to take Lance up on is offer to stay on the staff. However from previous posts I have read it sounds like he and the O-Line coach have decided to leave the Whitewater program which is unfortunate as some of the veterans of his board speak very highly of these two gentleman.

You are right, like I said, doing things differently is one thing that LL had a leg up on Z. I also understand where you are coming from that Leipold was the first to learn the zone offense as compared to Z. However, I was saying that Z perfected it. And he teaches it well, I learned from both on the FB field for a year and in the classroom, he was the best teacher I ever had, and that is because I went to class and listened to what he had to say. And my father being a well respected educator in this state as well as myself being in the education program, I would say I am in somewhat of a position to make a judgement on that. Yes, just because he makes those videos and writes those books does not mean he knows how to transfer that knowledge, but I wrote that from first hand experience. So I please ask you, respectfully, to not discredit what I said. Respect IS a big thing when it comes to employee-employer relationships. But it is tough to respect you when you attack me and other people like you did. You work in the courts, you know that appearence means alot, like I said before when Plinske was talking infront of the public forum he appeared like a puss and one could very well draw a conclussion from that that he is a "wet towel" kind of person. Is that right? I don't think so, but not something that should be attacked. I hate writing this and sounding like a dick and I also want to put it to rest, but you can't leave it open ended like that, trying to attack people's credibility, I don't know a person who will let something rest after that.

Now, I'd like to think that I did a good job of not leaving that open ended......At QB it's gonna be a battle, most likely between Brian Ryckowski and Jeff Donavan. Ryckowski is going to be a senior and is respected by the whole team. Donavan is the former WI player of the year, as i believe I heard on here. He is the cousin of Tyler Donavan of the Badgers. I would think that Donavan is the leading candidate, he is only going to be a sophmore and would provide the talent neccesary as well as a promising future for the porgram. On the defensive side, replacing Kelppe will probably be Schroedl, a senior, who has played alot in his first three years at the other DT spot will probably be White, a sophmore to be who played a bit this past year and also has a promising future.

[UWWFan]

Thought about it for a second, and you're probably right that the one thing that I said LL had on Z, the experience in more than one place is probably the one thing that catupulted him over the top.

[screwdriver007]

UWWFan,
I understand where you are coming from. However I watched the press conference via the internet just a couple of minutes ago,and I would give the impression that Dr. Plinske is just not very comfortable talking in front of people. Which can be good or bad.
I would also say that Lance looked very good and is going to do a good job. I hope the rumors that I have heard from friends of mine who are former warhawk players regarding Stan saying he is quiting if he doesn't get the job which will be touch as he is under contract and their O-Line coach Dinkel packing his office are not true as Lance made it clear he wants to keep the old staff.
It was also made clear that the decision on that is his so 1 for 27 was correct saying he could very easily clean house of the staff if he wanted to.
Also I took your comment about him and the zoen offense as making it sound like he is a genuis because of it,and I was just showing you that it doesn't matter how many books or videos you do.
I was not disrespecting youa t all. If I called you names and things of that nature without knowing you like some peole on here have done in regards to Dr. Plinske then that would be disrespecting you. That would be like me metting a clietn hearing what happen and then syaing wel your guilty get ready to go to jail.
I suggest you get to know this Dr. Pinske on a first hand basis before you call him names.

[KitchenSink]

I'm not saying I know why Coach Z was not given the job.

All of the books and videos cited are excellent examples of a coach who knows an offensive approach very well.  But that doesn't necessarily make him the best man to be head coach.  There are plenty of terrific offensive and defensive coordinators out there who should STAY at that level, because that is what they do well.  The head coach has to be an administrator and a lot of stuff that a coordinator doesn't.  That's why some guys wash out when given a head job.

Is that Z?  I haven't the foggiest idea.  But citing all of his offensive accomplishments and teaching kudos only address some NOT ALL of the attributes an AD should be looking for when interviewing for a head coach.  I can only guess if that's why PP went with LL (who also has a nice pile of offensive credits).

I will support Coach L since he's on the team (unconditionally). If Coach Z moves on, I will always remember him fondly for his contributions.  Either way, it's time to move on.

[Bruce_Dickenson]

what about Z to BC  with Jagz?

[BoBo]

As far as number one, we all know the differences in qualifications between Z and Leipold and Z had the better qualifications. In fact, for those of us who went to the open forum, we got their exact resume that they presented to Plinske. While Leipold's was very impressive, Z's was better.

What, in your opinion, makes Z more qualified?  I don't know his qualification other then being the WW o-coord.  I briefly checked out LL's bio and it seems as though he has experience at a lot of different programs.
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First, I'm gonna do you a favor and throw out the sixteen years at the school hiring, kinda puts them on equal ground. So here goes, remember, this is my opinion, and as a college student, may be wrong. however, I played football for about 11 years and am currently a HS coach, so I know a bit about what I'm talking about. Also, they are pretty close, so youth MAY have been a deciding factor also, IMO.
Z has head coaching experience on the college level, though it was a few years ago, it is more than Leipold.
Though Leipold was on the staff a very good team (UW) at the infancy of the zone offense, Z knows it's ins and outs, his expertise in this offense is ridiculous. Something like two books and maybe thirty something videos on the subject and it's techniques. Although I'm sure LL knows alot about the zone offense, this stood out to me. This brings up another thing, in that it shows just how good of a teacher Z is when it comes to coaching. At the college level, especially D3, this is huge, IMO.
Recruiting ability was also a big difference, I think. While LL did do some recruiting he had scholorships on his side. He doesn't have much experience on this level recruiting talent (maybe three years, I think it is?). While Z has been very succesful on this level. He did do the Lion's share of recruiting in the past few years, if not more.
These are the major things that seperated the two. I do believe, though that LL had the upper hand in that he has been invlolved in some major programs. But, IMO, I think these three afforementioned things outweighed this one that LL had on Z.
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UWWFan, I think it would be wise to stick to your day job...personally, conclusions have to pass a common sense test to convince me.
  1.  For example, recruiting...LL had scholarships on his side.  Of course he did, it's D2 man, but when you considered the other schools LL was competing against also had scholarships to offer, sort of levels the playing surface, right? If you noticed, his teams (UW, Omaha, were rather successful after starting out in the out house). In addition, many D2 programs recruit successfully in WI, too. So, Z has had to compete against the same.  Good coaching or good recruiting - probably both. Let's call that one even.
  2.  And just another, Z has been a college head coach before before coming to WW.  Well that would have been in the pre-1990 dark ages.  Most of the people expressing their opinions on this issue probably were still in elementary school or worse yet, not even born yet.  Another even - see a pattern?
  3.  You have to write books and film videos to be a great teacher?  I think not.  Some of the worse things I've read were written by teachers in the same job too long, i.e. too one dimentional.  I'll give you the benefit of the doubt here too - even again!
  4.  Z knows zone offense like the back of his hand.  If LL was in on the zone offense in it's infancy, as you put it, that would be pretty much at the beginning, yes? Can anyone have much more experience with it than that?
  Your loyalty to Z is commendable, but I think it's clouding your vision & common sense.

[BoBo]

what about Z to BC  with Jagz?

I made a comment last week on the WIAC PP about this.  Could never see that happening.

[pastprime]

Between the two coaches, which one would cause UWW to go through this all again in the next few years because of his constant moving around?

[KitchenSink]

Considering LL is from just up the road, and made such a point of saying he's "home", I'd say he's pretty likely to stick around for quite a while.

[BoBo]

I think WW people haven't been traumatized over coaching changes in the past because for most of them, they have only known one coach in their lifetime.  I'll take the new guy over the old guy because I think a guy who has aspirations of upward mobility will do a better job than someone who seems to remain in the status quo year in year out.  With that being said, LL hasn't really moved a whole lot since early in his career.  Z did the same if you look at the resumes. Someone even reported during the press conference that LL said he could see himself retiring a Warhawk coach now that he was back home. If you look at someone like Jagz, that's a different story. 

[BoBo]

Some interesting quotes from the press conference that might squash the rumors why Leipold was selected (and Z wasn't) and confirms what a lot of people have been saying here on PP:

"Lance Leipold brings a unique dynamic to the University of Wisconsin-Whitewater, its athletic department and Warhawk football," Plinske said.  "Not only will his temperament and background help him funnel the gifts and abilities of a highly successful program, but they will bring us new ideas and a different perspective."

"There is no doubt that Lance has a strong mind for the game of football," Plinske said.  "He also has fervor for people that will endear him to our community.  We are excited to begin the next chapter of Warhawk football with Lance Leipold as our next head coach."

Both comments seem to be completely opposite what Z would have brought to the head coaching position.

[Warhawk 96]

I am soooooooooooooooo ready to be over this whole coaching "scandal" thing. can we please put it to rest and talk about football?

Oh yeah and UWWFan, what makes you think that they would put someone with Anthony White's speed on the interior defensive line especially when he isn't even close to being big enough to take on double teams? I mean, if I had a defensive lineman with linebacker size and speed i wouldn't put him on the interior of the defensive line.

[CaptainKurt]

I'm looking forward to watching Bay View represent on the football field for the Warhawks next fall....representing the South Side.

And as for the DLK money that gets put into the program, I'm gonna put two and two together based on the home page of the d3 website, and say that we can safely assume that funds were a monster in the decision making process.  I'm a little shocked to see that statement in the address of the information.

[UWWFan]

I am soooooooooooooooo ready to be over this whole coaching "scandal" thing. can we please put it to rest and talk about football?

Oh yeah and UWWFan, what makes you think that they would put someone with Anthony White's speed on the interior defensive line especially when he isn't even close to being big enough to take on double teams? I mean, if I had a defensive lineman with linebacker size and speed i wouldn't put him on the interior of the defensive line.

Sorry, I god to honest thought he played DT this past year, my mistake. Now that we threw him out though, can you provide us with some insider info as to who might take your spot?

Bobo, man you're in bad luck, because unfortunately, right now, I don't have a day job, sorry, lol (but I am searching, know anyone hiring college students?).

As far as your first point, you're right, he does have to find the talent and such even with the scholorships, etc... I guess what I was trying to say is that is there going to be much of a difference coming from somewhere with that on your side to not having that on your side? I'm not sure, from my point of view, I would think there is. I have no doubt that LL can do well recruiting here, but there is a difference it may take him a couple of years (hopefully only months or weeks) to adjust. Fortunately if that is the case, that there is a difference, he has the recent success on his side.
When it comes to the head coaching experience, I wasn't neccesarily pointing that out other than to say that he has experience from the administrative side of a football team, even though it was in the "dark ages" I think it would still help.
You are right, making a video doesn't make you a great teacher, but I don't know that I said that it does. In one of my first posts in that string I think I pointed out that it shows expertise, then someone said it doesn't neccesarily transfer to the coaching field, and I countered with that he is, in fact, a good teacher. I don't know that I made any non-sensical comments there. IMO, I also think that all those videos show that he has that expertise. There must be some kind of reason that those publishers keep coming back to him.

On those notes, I was never intentionally trying to discredit LL, someone asked why I thought Z was a better candidate and I gave what I thought was a solid answer. I have said and I thought I have repeated it that LL is the head coach and I am behind him, he will do very well.

[Pat Coleman]

And as for the DLK money that gets put into the program, I'm gonna put two and two together based on the home page of the d3 website, and say that we can safely assume that funds were a monster in the decision making process.  I'm a little shocked to see that statement in the address of the information.

Huh?