FB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[Just Bill]

7,353 - R.J. Bowers, Grove City (DIII) 1997-00
thats for all of ncaa also

Making his feat even more impressive, Bowers did not have the benefit of a single playoff game in his entire career.

[Pat Coleman]

Unfortunately, it's not the overall NCAA record anymore. Guy from Chadron State just passed Bowers earlier this month.

Bowers got a cup of coffee with the Steelers and Browns and scored a touchdown for each, I believe.

[Just Bill]

My one thought though, Just Bill, is that Point at 7-1 might not be going up against 9-1 but rather 8-2 type teams...  I don't have any stats on the football side, but what've the Pool C bids looked like in football for the last several years (at least record-wise)?

Last year two 9-1 teams were left out.

That's what I was afraid of.  It's going to take an unprecedented series of dominoes to fall in just the right way in order to get UWSP in as a Pool C.  I guess they better beat Whitewater, huh?

P.S. to rasslertoo:  Did you notice how if you introduce a few non-UWW topics (Point's Pool C possibilities, UWL's QB woes, etc.) people will happily discuss them?  Shocking, I know.

[ihavesomething2say]

Heres a what if:
what if point beats whitewater but then loses 1 of their last 3 games to go 9-1(6-1).  Whitwater beats MHB and finishes the year 8-2(6-1).  Who goes to the playoffs? Does Point because they beat Whitewater? 

[Just Bill]

Heres a what if:
what if point beats whitewater but then loses 1 of their last 3 games to go 9-1(6-1).  Whitwater beats MHB and finishes the year 8-2(6-1).  Who goes to the playoffs? Does Point because they beat Whitewater? 

I realize I've been quoting Point at 7-1 in region should they win every game except Whitewater.  In fact, they would be only 6-1.  I miscounted and that makes their chances even worse.

First you would have to determine the AQ bid.  In your scenario Point and Whitewater share the WIAC title at 6-1.  Since Point beat WW head to head so they would get the automatic bid.  Whitewater would then be in the mix for a Pool C bid and you would assume would have a strong case with just one regional loss.

[ihavesomething2say]

I was always kind of wondering where you were getting 7-1 from.  But I didnt ask incase I missed something.  I figured the winner of the head to head would make it.  Thanks for the info.  You going to be at the game Just Bill

[ihavesomething2say]

So NAIA games dont count for your record but playing higher up divisions do?  Or does Whitewaters loss agaisnt St. Cloud not count?

[Just Bill]

I was always kind of wondering where you were getting 7-1 from.  But I didnt ask incase I missed something.  I figured the winner of the head to head would make it.  Thanks for the info.  You going to be at the game Just Bill

No, I live too far away. Except in rare circumstances I'm strictly a long distance fan.

If you are a true WIAC fan interested in getting two teams into the dance you'll be rooting for Point this weekend, since Whitewater can certainly earn a Pool C bid on their own merits.

I doubt that's enough to get Warhawk fans to convert.  

And no, Whitewater's game against St. Cloud State does NOT count in their regional record.  All games count for their overall record, but the Championship committee will only consider regional games as part of the primary criteria.

[warhawkclownshow]

Point will lose 2-3 games so none of this even matters.

[footballfan413]

If you are a true WIAC fan interested in getting two teams into the dance you'll be rooting for Point this weekend, since Whitewater can certainly earn a Pool C bid on their own merits.

I doubt that's enough to get Warhawk fans to convert.  

Ya, I'm kinda thinking that doesn't work for me.  Sure wish I could be a bigger person!   

Speaking of LAX's QB's, over the last number of years, watching Terry handle them, I have observed that, IMHO, he plays with their heads too much.  He will pull his #1 really quickly for a mistake.  He did this a lot with Tennies and Shumann.  It may work for some of them but it has to take a toll on a player's confidence and cause him to be pretty nervous to make a mistake. Moe needs to know that he is the guy and can't be expected to be perfect.  It is about minimizing mistakes and learning from them and it is so important for a coach to help his QB develop his mental game as well.  He may have been justified this time, didn't see the game, but I have just notice what looks like a pattern to me.

[Devil Badger Gopher]

With all of this talk about the Pool C's and the importance of winning non-conference games in Division 3 and not other divisions, why don't the conference teams schedule each other more than once in a season to make sure they get the games that will count toward playoff consideration.  I know that this happened in the past when it was tougher for the WIAC to get games after the Border Battle went null and void.  I do understand some pros and cons, but anyone know if a rule has been put in place or something? 

[Just Bill]

No, there's no rule.  It just hasn't been done in a while.

[KitchenSink]

Heres a what if:
what if point beats whitewater but then loses 1 of their last 3 games to go 9-1(6-1).  Whitwater beats MHB and finishes the year 8-2(6-1).  Who goes to the playoffs? Does Point because they beat Whitewater? 

Winner of the conference gets an automatic bid.  If there is a tie, I'm pretty sure the head-to-head is the first tie breaker.

[Just Bill]

Heres a what if:
what if point beats whitewater but then loses 1 of their last 3 games to go 9-1(6-1).  Whitwater beats MHB and finishes the year 8-2(6-1).  Who goes to the playoffs? Does Point because they beat Whitewater? 

Winner of the conference gets an automatic bid.  If there is a tie, I'm pretty sure the head-to-head is the first tie breaker.

And, in the event of a three-way tie that cannot be resolved by head-to-head matchups, the AQ goes to the school who has not received it in the longest time.

I never liked that part of the rule, but I'm 90% sure that's still the policy.  Fortunately it doesn't happen often.

[ihavesomething2say]

There will be no 3 way tie for first this year. Doesnt take a rocket scientist to figure that one out.  I know the Pointers wont make the playoffs but cant a fan just have a little wish that maybe the stars will align and hell will freeze over and they will win this week and then atleast 2 of their last 3 to get to the playoffs. Ok, I should probably stop hoping right about now.