FB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[Blutarsky]

I'm usually on the OAC boards, but needed to come on here to make a comment.....Our son, who plays for MUC, made a comment after the game about how classy the Whitewater players and coaches were.  They played hard, but did it the right way (with #3 being a possible exception )  I needed to pass this on to the WW faithful.  In my humble opinion, these are the two best programs in DIII.....  Congratulations on a great year.  With the players you have coming back, it looks like more purple next year!

I've noticed a number of posts here and on the OAC board from the Mount supporters picking on #3 for the Warhawks, mainly innuendo...I only heard the audio stream of the game and I didn't hear anything negative regarding his behavior on or off the field from the announers during or after the game.  Could someone please explain what all the fuss is about regarding #3 and why he has caught the ire of the MUC fans?  Is it payback for the negativity shown toward Garcon after the previous years contests by Warhawk fans?  Someone help me pleez!

#3 and one of MUC's corners got into it after a couple of plays. I did not see anything beyond what they were flagged for. (remember, both guys were flagged) I think the refs did a good job of stopping that from escalating. To me, it didn't look like anything more than just some regular emotion from a big game. However, IMO they both deserved what they got flagged for. Obviously, I couln't hear words being exchanged, but from the looks of it, the late hits seemed to be a little retaliation for legal, aggressive hits.

Was just basing my comment on anecdotal statements from players after the game.....don't mean/want to start an "issue".  Congrats to WW on a great season, and another big step toward being a dominant force in DIII.

[02 Warhawk]

took a two day hiatus from the board to let the pain settle from the loss. Looks like everything was already said that I wanted to bring up.

I bet no one here now questions Pat's choice to place Shebler on the second team all region pick after saturday's game??

Like Bobo keeps bringing up....the 2009 season can't start soon enough. I will expect UWW to be seeded #1, MUC #2, and naturally Wesley #3  .

I got a kick out of a post from a Williamette fan a few pages back on this board saying, "clearly Williamette was the third best team this year." I bet MHB and two or three other teams may have something to say about that.

Saturday was a great learning experience for the returning 09 players, as next year should be very strong year for the Warhawks.

[Frank Rossi]

Pat,
Am I correct in saying that an official review of a play in the Stagg Bowl has to be requested by the officials on the field rather than the review official in the booth or either of the coaching staffs? 

If so that doesn't make a lot of sense to me and do you know the rational for why it is different than D1 where the official in the booth decides whether a play should be reviewed or not? 

That's not correct.  A review has to be initiated by either:  A) the review official(s) in the booth; or B) by a coach AFTER calling a timeout and only once per game.  There are DVSports men on either side of the Press Box side players' box area on the field to aid the head referee with the communication up to the review booth.  Let me give an example. 

The example is the play that was overturned before the successful UWW field goal (it was the sideline grab that gave UWW slightly better field position).  The next play was delayed when the booth official reviewed the play and saw cause for concern that the call on the field MAY not have been correct.  In order to take a more precise look, they buzz the official on the field, who stops play.  The official then walks to the nearest DVSports person on the sideline, who hands him a headset to communicate with the booth official.  At that point, the referee stands waiting for the booth official to either:  A) ask the referee a question concerning the call itself in order to clear up any confusion; or B) deliver to the referee a judgment on the play.  In this case, the referee stood silent for about a minute (I was directly in front of him while this happened) until he got the news that the play was actually a completion.  At this point, the referee asked the booth for the yard line, as the field position for such a completion had not been marked since the catch was originally waved off on the field.  We waited another 30 seconds while the booth reviewed the play once more for that information -- then the referee walked to midfield and made the announcement.  AT NO TIME did the referee look at the video screen to "play along" or to give any assistance to the call being made in the booth.  It is solely the responsibility of the booth official (or first the coach through a challenge, but then only the booth official) to make all judgments related to the reviews.

Hope this clarifies any confusion.

[rscl70]

I'm usually on the OAC boards, but needed to come on here to make a comment.....Our son, who plays for MUC, made a comment after the game about how classy the Whitewater players and coaches were.  They played hard, but did it the right way (with #3 being a possible exception )  I needed to pass this on to the WW faithful.  In my humble opinion, these are the two best programs in DIII.....  Congratulations on a great year.  With the players you have coming back, it looks like more purple next year!

I've noticed a number of posts here and on the OAC board from the Mount supporters picking on #3 for the Warhawks, mainly innuendo...I only heard the audio stream of the game and I didn't hear anything negative regarding his behavior on or off the field from the announers during or after the game.  Could someone please explain what all the fuss is about regarding #3 and why he has caught the ire of the MUC fans?  Is it payback for the negativity shown toward Garcon after the previous years contests by Warhawk fans?  Someone help me pleez!

#3 and one of MUC's corners got into it after a couple of plays. I did not see anything beyond what they were flagged for. (remember, both guys were flagged) I think the refs did a good job of stopping that from escalating. To me, it didn't look like anything more than just some regular emotion from a big game. [/b] However, IMO they both deserved what they got flagged for. Obviously, I couln't hear words being exchanged, but from the looks of it, the late hits seemed to be a little retaliation for legal, aggressive hits.

I agree.  Just two top notch competitors going at it.  No big deal.

[BearcatFan]

stealth,

Not sure where you got the "most thought that Willamette would be the last game of 08"; I only checked the CCIW pickems (9-4 UWW) and OAC pickems (31-9 UWW), but that doesn't seem like most!

Maybe you have to check the NWC pickem's, posters with the word Bearcat in their screen name!!  

Imagine that - a football fan with confidence in their undefeated team! What IS the world coming to?

[skunk]

To all Warhawks
Congratulations on fielding another great football team. Your players, coaches and support members are to be commended. Your team plays very fundamentally sound football. Your whole program also does it with class. I'm sure you will be back next year as well.

[Pat Coleman]

Pat,
Am I correct in saying that an official review of a play in the Stagg Bowl has to be requested by the officials on the field rather than the review official in the booth or either of the coaching staffs? 

This particular question has already been answered, but I wanted to elaborate and mention that many plays are reviewed in each game. Even though play was rarely stopped doesn't mean plays were not reviewed by the booth.

[snoop dawg]

I don't understand.  What is the purpose of review if you don't stop play to correct a possible mistake.  There is not way the roughing the kicker call would stand if it was reviewed in time before the next play.

[02 Warhawk]

I don't understand.  What is the purpose of review if you don't stop play to correct a possible mistake.  There is not way the roughing the kicker call would stand if it was reviewed in time before the next play.

ummm...penalties can't be reviewed. I think you were referring to the sideline catch that was called incomplete, which he actually had one foot in after replaying it.  Regardless of that call, UWW lost. Their corners got burnt bad early in the game, that's what cost them the game....not the refs.

[bigboy8]

I like how everyone is picking uww to repeat back to the stagg bowl again next year.Not that they arent a good team, but lets Not forget that they lost at home, on homecoming, to a very good stevens point team who's defense finished #1 in the conference over uww. and they only loose 1 player on offense (brad kalsow), with one of the top offenses in the conference,  and a couple on defense (brad vickroy, luke frish, tylerflorzack) all with backups that were very capable this year.  I look at stevens point to repeat as conference champs next year, especially since the big game vs uww is in stevens point in 09'. Especially after talking with a few pointers and them having the confidence and experience now, i take them to go deep into the playoffs in 09'.

[Wags40-LC]

Dear WIAC message board,

I am John Wagner, a linebacker who had the honor to play against Whitewater 3 of the 4 years and Oshkosh 2 of the 4 years I have played at Lakeland. Shout out to Craig Polifka on a great season and for playing well at UW Eau Claire and Tyler Jandrin, a former fullback for Oshkosh, Justin Beaver, Derek Stanley, and anyone else from the UW schools that I may know or have played with.

Congrats to Whitewater and their season. It would be great to see your guys redeme yourselves next season like you did last season. Under my former coach Jim Zebrowski, now Whitewater O-Cord, the team is in good hands. Keep your spirits high and put in effective effort to become even better players and people. Don't set limits and continue to progress humbly.

Please keep an eye on the United National Gridiron League as it could potentially be a feeder for the NFL especially after AFL cancelled the 2009 season. Wide Reciever MacArthur White and I have been invited. I wish you all Happy Holidays and best of luck next year as next season has already started for 2009 D3 football.

Best regards and God Bless

[02 Warhawk]

I like how everyone is picking uww to repeat back to the stagg bowl again next year.Not that they arent a good team, but lets Not forget that they lost at home, on homecoming, to a very good stevens point team who's defense finished #1 in the conference over uww. and they only loose 1 player on offense (brad kalsow), with one of the top offenses in the conference,  and a couple on defense (brad vickroy, luke frish, tylerflorzack) all with backups that were very capable this year.  I look at stevens point to repeat as conference champs next year, especially since the big game vs uww is in stevens point in 09'. Especially after talking with a few pointers and them having the confidence and experience now, i take them to go deep into the playoffs in 09'.

This is why:

1. Only losing one starter on the 7th best scoring defense in the nation
2. Losing only three seniors on offense.
3. Three time All-American kicker (wonderful weapon to have).
4. Having the ability to dominate a conference that is ranked the toughest in the country (one loss in four plus years isn't bad)
6. Have the 2007 and 2008 DIII Coach of the Year (in as many years at the helm) calling the plays.
7. Whitewater's youngsters gained valuable game-time experience during the playoffs. Playing against the best that DIII had to offer, while other teams watched from home.

I'm sure there's more but it's past my bed time.

I guaruntee whitewater won't forget this year's loss when they travel to Stevens Point next season. Should be a good one as Point seems to have a lot going for them in 2009 as well.

Here's to the WIAC being the best next year!

[Warhawk 96]

I like how everyone is picking uww to repeat back to the stagg bowl again next year.Not that they arent a good team, but lets Not forget that they lost at home, on homecoming, to a very good stevens point team who's defense finished #1 in the conference over uww. and they only loose 1 player on offense (brad kalsow), with one of the top offenses in the conference,  and a couple on defense (brad vickroy, luke frish, tylerflorzack) all with backups that were very capable this year.  I look at stevens point to repeat as conference champs next year, especially since the big game vs uww is in stevens point in 09'. Especially after talking with a few pointers and them having the confidence and experience now, i take them to go deep into the playoffs in 09'.

You can't be serious. You beat UWW once and won a share of the conference title and an automatic berth in the playoffs. Congratulations for that. Now, once you get to the playoffs you're supposed to win. YOU DIDN'T DO THAT. WE DID, four times as a matter of fact....for the fourth straight year of accomplishing that feat. We even beat the team that ended your season......in the playoffs......when it mattered. Did you? Get a grip on reality kid, you guys may have a shot but we are the front runners for a reason......because we had a better year than you and return better players than you (yeah I said it).

[footballfan413]

I like how everyone is picking uww to repeat back to the stagg bowl again next year.Not that they arent a good team, but lets Not forget that they lost at home, on homecoming, to a very good stevens point team who's defense finished #1 in the conference over uww. and they only loose 1 player on offense (brad kalsow), with one of the top offenses in the conference,  and a couple on defense (brad vickroy, luke frish, tylerflorzack) all with backups that were very capable this year.  I look at stevens point to repeat as conference champs next year, especially since the big game vs uww is in stevens point in 09'. Especially after talking with a few pointers and them having the confidence and experience now, i take them to go deep into the playoffs in 09'.

This is why:

1. Only losing one starter on the 7th best scoring defense in the nation
2. Losing only three seniors on offense.
3. Three time All-American kicker (wonderful weapon to have).
4. Having the ability to dominate a conference that is ranked the toughest in the country (one loss in four plus years isn't bad)
6. Have the 2007 and 2008 DIII Coach of the Year (in as many years at the helm) calling the plays.
7. Whitewater's youngsters gained valuable game-time experience during the playoffs. Playing against the best that DIII had to offer, while other teams watched from home.

I'm sure there's more but it's past my bed time.

I guaruntee whitewater won't forget this year's loss when they travel to Stevens Point next season. Should be a good one as Point seems to have a lot going for them in 2009 as well.

Here's to the WIAC being the best next year!

I would just add one:
   BEEN TO THE STAGG BOWL 4 YEARS IN A ROW! 

Doubt anyone here would down play the tough road for any team playing in the WIAC but the idea that the Pointers somehow have the Warhawks number is pretty laughable in light of where they ended their season and where we ended ours!  In fact, a big thanks to the Pointers as I credit that stumble with refocusing our boys and reminding them that they must play hard to the final buzzer and earn every win. This kind of success may not continue, especially playing in the WIAC every year, but the 08 Warhawks and the past 3 teams have earned this level of national respect with their consistant play and Stagg Bowl performances. 

[badgerwarhawk]

I like how everyone is picking uww to repeat back to the stagg bowl again next year.Not that they arent a good team, but lets Not forget that they lost at home, on homecoming, to a very good stevens point team who's defense finished #1 in the conference over uww. and they only loose 1 player on offense (brad kalsow), with one of the top offenses in the conference,  and a couple on defense (brad vickroy, luke frish, tylerflorzack) all with backups that were very capable this year.  I look at stevens point to repeat as conference champs next year, especially since the big game vs uww is in stevens point in 09'. Especially after talking with a few pointers and them having the confidence and experience now, i take them to go deep into the playoffs in 09'.

The coaching staff and players are well aware of the challenge UW-Stevens Point presents and when the time comes they will diligently prepare to play them.  Point will be returning a good team.  We will be returning a good team.  It should be an interesting game.  It doesn't really concern me that the game will be played in Point because we haven't lost a conference road game since October of 2004 and our last loss in Point was in the 2003 season.   Congrats on your successfull season and I look forward to the rematch in 2009.  We have got a score to settle with the Pointer. 

Pat & Frank Rossi....thank you for your comments regarding the review process in use at the Stagg Bowl.