FB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[footballfan413]

Yes it was a three score game and the Warhawks deserved the win.  But if the luck part of that game happened I think the Dutch could have had the W.  The dropped 2 passes in the endzone which is 14 and if you didn't get the pick six the Dutch would have tied won by one.  I am not crying sour grapes by any stretch.  The Warhawks won and deservedly so.  You seem to dismiss my judgement on the UWSP team.  I think they have some talent and they just might get the Warhawks if the get the breaks is all I was trying to say.  Good luck to your conference in the upcoming season.  

Actually, I think it is quite the opposite.  Nobody knows better how deep and tough the WIAC conferences is than WIAC fans.  You are preaching to the choir but come on..............you said the Pointers were as good as the UW-W 05 team!    They will have to do a lot more than lose to a Central team on the comeback trail from a 6-4 record that only finished 5th, (4-4,) in the IIAC last year, IMHO.  

[footballfan413]

I think every opponent the 'Hawks beat over the past 4-5 years could play the "luck" card on us. Narrowing each loss down to a specific play they didn't make. "Only if we didn't fumble that ball...." "Only if we would of intercepted that pass...." "If we only would of prevented that one giant run/pass play....." "Only if we didn't dop that ball....."

Dutch, that's what separates successful teams from average teams. the Whitewaters', the Mount Unions', the Mary Harden Baylors', the St. Johns' take advantage of opportunities by forcing other teams to make mistakes. while at the same time keeping their mistakes to a minimum. these programs don't make it a habit of dropping balls and throwing int's in key situations. That's why we see these teams deep in the playoffs each year, not because they are lucky but b/c they create their own luck by constantly keeping the pressure on teams on both sides of the ball, forcing them to make bad decisions.....That comes from great coaching and recruting which is what these programs are blessed with.

BINGO!  +karma, 02.

[BoBo]

Dutch if WSP was as talented as the 2005 UWW team as you surmised they would have won Saturday.......

.....and as I remember that 2005 game, the Pointers would have won saturday in a rout - it wasn't a Wesley type of rout (only 34-14), but a rout nevertheless.  I think we need to call for a foot in mouth surgeon for Dutchfan2004!! 

Yes it was a three score game and the Warhawks deserved the win.  But if the luck part of that game happened I think the Dutch could have had the W.  The dropped 2 passes in the endzone which is 14 and if you didn't get the pick six the Dutch would have tied won by one.  I am not crying sour grapes by any stretch.  The Warhawks won and deservedly so.  You seem to dismiss my judgement on the UWSP team.  I think they have some talent and they just might get the Warhawks if the get the breaks is all I was trying to say.  Good luck to your conference in the upcoming season. 

I'm not soley dismissing your appraisal of the Pointers based on the 1 game you witnessed involving a WIAC school in the last 5 years.  I said earlier I agree they are a good team, very unpredictable recently, but talented. If I am dismissing your opinion it's based on the fact that every year there seems to be some drive by coming on here telling the WIAC board that this is the year the Warhawks get knocked off their perch w/o any solid evidence to back it up. With basically the entire team returning from their 4th consecutive Stagg Bowl appearance, there is a mountain of evidence to counter anything you might dream up. I think we can we agree that key injuries or "luck," as you cited as your evidence, cannot be fully anticipated in any venture, let alone during the football season.  So, using that angle as your rationale doesn't pass the common sense test with me. To turn a phrase around, I would rather be good than lucky.  02 Warhawk said it best.   

[BoBo]

Actually, I think it is quite the opposite.  Nobody knows better how deep and tough the WIAC conferences is than WIAC fans.  You are preaching to the choir but come on..............you said the Pointers were as good as the UW-W 05 team!    They will have to do a lot more than beat a Central team on the comeback trail from a 6-4 record that only finished 5th, (4-4,) in the IIAC last year, IMHO.  

fbf413, the Pointers actually lost to a declining down (let's be honest   ) Central team in the last minute.  In Dutch's view, carrying this out fully, that must make the '09 Central team better than the '05 Warhawks or the unlucky '05 Central team!!  Watch out on saturday, Dubuque?    

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[DutchHawk]

I wasn't at the pointers game Saturday but I dont see how you can say that Central is declining when they just beat a UWSP team with 17 of 22 returning starters who beat UWW last year. Central had a down year last year but by no means are they declining. I don't think it was luck that beat us in 05 against UWW, from being on the field they were definitely the better team...although we fared considerably better than other opponents. Your also talking about a "declining" Central program that handed SJU its worst loss in more than a decade just two years ago.

[footballfan413]

Damn.  you are too fast, BoBo.  I actually realized my mistake and came back to fix it but I should have known that being on Korean time, you would be on top of it!   

[BoBo]

I wasn't at the pointers game Saturday but I dont see how you can say that Central is declining when they just beat a UWSP team with 17 of 22 returning starters who beat UWW last year. Central had a down year last year but by no means are they declining. I don't think it was luck that beat us in 05 against UWW, from being on the field they were definitely the better team...although we fared considerably better than other opponents. Your also talking about a "declining" Central program that handed SJU its worst loss in more than a decade just two years ago.

I edited my words DH...I know how Point lost that game and I've said it a couple times - Point usually plays great one week and sh**** the next...they're not a good guage to base your judgements on, but then again, followers of the IIAC wouldn't know that.  The J's haven't exactly set the world of fire the past few years (nationally), BTW.  Coincidently, most of those losses came at the hands of UWW.  Only time will tell, we're only a couple games into the season...let's play this thing out and talk again later. 

[BoBo]

Damn.  you are too fast, BoBo.  I actually realized my mistake and came back to fix it but I should have known that being on Korean time, you would be on top of it!   

So unlucky for you  .  I'm actually working from home today because my daughter is sick and too young to stay home alone.  Mommy has an important seminar that's she's a presenter at keeping her out of the house.  I probably wouldn't have discovered it otherwise.     

[BoBo]

BTW, 413, I'm off to a slow start in my bid to repeat as the OAC pickem Champion.  Started slow last year too before coming on like a bull in a china store - but I think the Champion label might have gone to my head, effecting my performance so far.  Any advice from a fellow pickem Champion and professional?

EDIT:  Do you think it has anything to do with putting Justin Beaver on here rocking & knocking Mount Union's Daryl Ely into next week (or did he just slip and fall   )?

[footballfan413]

BTW, 413, I'm off to a slow start in my bid to repeat as the OAC pickem Champion.  Started slow last year too before coming on like a bull in a china store - but I think the Champion label might have gone to my head, effecting my performance so far.  Any advice from a fellow pickem Champion and professional?

Stay away from the OAC??   

[BoBo]

One voice (no not that 'voice') said "quit while you're ahead" and another said "repeat....repeat....repeat!"  I listened to the wrong voice...maybe I should have asked the real "voice!!"   

[DutchHawk]

I wasn't at the pointers game Saturday but I dont see how you can say that Central is declining when they just beat a UWSP team with 17 of 22 returning starters who beat UWW last year. Central had a down year last year but by no means are they declining. I don't think it was luck that beat us in 05 against UWW, from being on the field they were definitely the better team...although we fared considerably better than other opponents. Your also talking about a "declining" Central program that handed SJU its worst loss in more than a decade just two years ago.

I edited my words DH...I know how Point lost that game and I've said it a couple times - Point usually plays great one week and sh**** the next...they're not a good guage to base your judgements on, but then again, followers of the IIAC wouldn't know that.  The J's haven't exactly set the world of fire the past few years (nationally), BTW.  Coincidently, most of those losses came at the hands of UWW.  Only time will tell, we're only a couple games into the season...let's play this thing out and talk again later.  

Yea didnt see your edit when I replied, I think I beat you to it. I think whether Central is down this year is to be determined. As is the ability of UWW and UWSP. Central had a very uncharacteristic down year last year, I think theyve had 4 years that bad since the late 60's. Either way, going from National Quarterfinals to 6-4 and then to 2-0 this year... a lot is to be proven. Id like to see more contests with the WIAC from our end, it is definitly a UWW dominated conference. Correct me if Im wrong but who else has made it deep in the playoffs in recent memory?? I would love to see a home and home with Central and UWW similar to the one they did with MUC before their really good run recently. Im not saying Central is that good yet, but *we*need a measuring stick against a team that has shown they are a National power.

Got the edit bobo...look at the context next time.

[bleedpurple]

All I am saying is they maybe the most talented .....that does not mean they will go all the way but it sure gives them a leg up....for the last 5 years there have been some really talented teams that just came up short in the last game because of great Mount Union teams and a sub par performance in some areas by our guys.....hopefully the 2009 edition can replicate 2007.......

Should I? or shouldn't I? Nah I'll wait.

The Warhawks look very good so far this season, and have a great chance to be back in Salem again. The question what team is out there this season
that can derail their Salem visit in the post-season? Is it Linfield, Mary Hardin Baylor or someone else. Mount Union's test is more predictable given the teams from the North, East and South that the Raiders have seen on several occasions.

Yes, UWW has looked very good so far this season. And yes, the ONLY competition to either UWW or Mount comes in the form of other WIAC teams, Linfield, MHB, and perhaps Hardin Simmons. If St. John's or Central puts together one of their special teams they could be a threat. Other than that nothing.  Sorry fans of EVERY TEAM in the North and the East! But it's the truth. In other words. Mount Union will again play NOBODY until the Stagg Bowl. They will continue to be there every year until someone in the NORTH or EAST steps up and does something about it by building a National Level program. Until then it will be Mount 55 whothehellcares 7. Every week until the Stagg. Mount has been very successful in winning their one game a year. It would have been interesting to see how healthy and how eliminated they may have been had they had to play through the WEST AND SOUTH just once!

[BoBo]

but you need a measuring stick against a team that has shown they are a National power.

LMAO

I think MUC fits that description quite nicely   .  And the fact that UWW is 4-0 against the next best team over the last few years, MHB, I really don't think UWW has much to prove to anyone. Just continue to take one game at a time, win and survive. Your guys need to play someone to measure their programs status a lot more than UWW needs to play Central to measure theirs, IMO.  Where have you been the last 4 years? Too funny!!  

[DutchHawk]

but you need a measuring stick against a team that has shown they are a National power.

LMAO

I think MUC fits that description quite nicely   .  And the fact that UWW is 4-0 against the next best team over the last few years, MHB, I really don't think UWW has much to prove to anyone. Just continue to take one game at a time, win and survive. Your guys need to play someone to measure their programs status a lot more than UWW needs to play Central to measure theirs, IMO.  Where have you been the last 4 years? Too funny!!  

Hey, read it in context, I was saying we need to schedule UWW and Central should play a home and home, giving Central an opportunity to measure themselves against a team that has been to the Stagg Bowl the last 4 years. Maybe reading is too difficult through those purple tinted glasses?

And if your UWW don't you want to take it one game at a time and dominate rather than just survive?