FB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[DutchHawk]

New SOS rankings

http://www.d3football.com/strength-of-schedule/2009

whitewater moved up 60 points

And Im sure the new West region rankings will show this change...if our assumptions on the mathematics of the rankings committee are correct.

Congrats to UWW, very impressive win.

[Raider 68]

New SOS rankings

http://www.d3football.com/strength-of-schedule/2009

whitewater moved up 60 points

02 Warhawk,

After Saturday UWW will move up in the region rankings, especially based on their convining win over SP and a greater victory over a common foe
Puget Sound that Linfield played Saturday.

On Cecil Shorts, he continues to beat team deep, 12 TD's and had
a 50 yarder on Saturday. Like Coppage, that may matter down the road.
Mount's big tight ends are really making contibution, but at 6'6' 230 and 6'6 260, they are hard to miss.

[Raider 68]

New SOS rankings

http://www.d3football.com/strength-of-schedule/2009

whitewater moved up 60 points

02 Warhawk,

After Saturday UWW will move up in the region rankings, especially based on their convining win over SP and a greater victory over a common foe
Puget Sound that Linfield played Saturday.

On Cecil Shorts, he continues to beat team deep, 12 TD's and had
a 50 yarder on Saturday. Like Coppage, that may matter down the road.
Mount's big tight ends are really making contibution, but at 6'6' 230 and 6'6 260, they are hard to miss.

I noticed a few typo's sorry!

[02 Warhawk]

New SOS rankings

http://www.d3football.com/strength-of-schedule/2009

whitewater moved up 60 points

And Im sure the new West region rankings will show this change...if our assumptions on the mathematics of the rankings committee are correct.

Congrats to UWW, very impressive win.

UWSP is 2nd in SOS....good to see that

[Devil Badger Gopher]

How likely is it that the conference gets more the UWW (assuming they win one more time in the regular season) into the playoffs?  How is this decided within the Pool C bids?

[John Gleich]

How likely is it that the conference gets more the UWW (assuming they win one more time in the regular season) into the playoffs?  How is this decided within the Pool C bids?

Point is the next most likely candidate... and they have two regional losses.  They will need to win out and have other teams, both in the region and nationally lose some games. 

The way things work is that, after the Pool A bid teams are removed from the rankings, the highest regionally ranked teams are compared against each other in terms of winning percentage against regional teams, opponents' winning percentage (OWP), opponents' opponents' winning percentage (OOWP), wins against regionall ranked teams, etc (see the criteria HERE).

Once a team is selected, then the next highest regionally ranked team from that region is compared against the highest regionally ranked teams from each of the other regions.  This continues until all of the Pool C bids have been selected.

This is why regional ranking is so important... if one team A is placed below another team B that doesn't have as good of a resume, then A cannot get selected for an at large bid until team B is.

Now, of course, the NCAA doesn't release their final poll... so we don't actually know what the final regional rankings are. 

[The Roop]

2 losses isn't what hurts Point the most. It's the fact that they can only have 6 in region wins. Chances are that only one 8-2 will make it this year. I question if any will but a 6-2 doesn't have any chance, regardless of SOS.

[John Gleich]

New SOS rankings

http://www.d3football.com/strength-of-schedule/2009

whitewater moved up 60 points

And Im sure the new West region rankings will show this change...if our assumptions on the mathematics of the rankings committee are correct.

Congrats to UWW, very impressive win.

UWSP is 2nd in SOS....good to see that

Yep, that is good to see.... but it will go down as they're playing two 3-5 teams the last two weeks.

[John Gleich]

2 losses isn't what hurts Point the most. It's the fact that they can only have 6 in region wins. Chances are that only one 8-2 will make it this year. I question if any will but a 6-2 doesn't have any chance, regardless of SOS.

Yep... like I said, they need lots to go right for them!

[02 Warhawk]

How likely is it that the conference gets more the UWW (assuming they win one more time in the regular season) into the playoffs?  How is this decided within the Pool C bids?

Point is the next most likely candidate... and they have two regional losses.  They will need to win out and have other teams, both in the region and nationally lose some games.  

The way things work is that, after the Pool A bid teams are removed from the rankings, the highest regionally ranked teams are compared against each other in terms of winning percentage against regional teams, opponents' winning percentage (OWP), opponents' opponents' winning percentage (OOWP), wins against regionall ranked teams, etc (see the criteria HERE).

Once a team is selected, then the next highest regionally ranked team from that region is compared against the highest regionally ranked teams from each of the other regions.  This continues until all of the Pool C bids have been selected.

This is why regional ranking is so important... if one team A is placed below another team B that doesn't have as good of a resume, then A cannot get selected for an at large bid until team B is.

Now, of course, the NCAA doesn't release their final poll... so we don't actually know what the final regional rankings are.  

I've been posting messages here for about two years now, not as long as most of the members. However, i'm begining to realize more and more, how less and less significant the top 25 poll actually is. Like you said PointSpecial, regional rankings are almost everything when it comes to the post season.

For instance, after UWW lost to UWSP last season, Whitewater still was able to finished fourth in the country, while UWSP finished 9th. However, UWW was seeded 4th (if i remember correctly) in the final regional rankings based largely on the criteria above. Where UWSP finished third in the region, and rightfully so b/c they beat UWW.

But, those regional rankings can be misleading as well..just ask Occidental. Where a #2 can start the playoffs playing a #1, b/c in the first round you play the team geographically close to you. Which I aree on, b/c we don't have the funding to fly teams all over the country like DI schools...those are the breaks  .

For the most part, it seems like the Top 25 is just good for something we can debate on until the regional rankings come out. Never-the-less, DIII does it right with the playoff system to determine it's champion. Unlike DI picking two teams from a complicated formula to decide it's championship for one game. imagine running the table in a season and not ever get a chance to getting a shot at the national championship.

This is Pat's cue to chime in and disprove my theory on the insignificance of the Top 25.....

[bleedpurple]

2 losses isn't what hurts Point the most. It's the fact that they can only have 6 in region wins. Chances are that only one 8-2 will make it this year. I question if any will but a 6-2 doesn't have any chance, regardless of SOS.

Yep... like I said, they need lots to go right for them!

I love the fact that D3 has playoffs and I hope and pray budget problems will never eliminate them!

The hardest part is seeing the teams that don't get in.

Am I crazy or would Point have a GREAT chance at beating 20 of the top 25 teams?

[bleedpurple]

How likely is it that the conference gets more the UWW (assuming they win one more time in the regular season) into the playoffs?  How is this decided within the Pool C bids?

Point is the next most likely candidate... and they have two regional losses.  They will need to win out and have other teams, both in the region and nationally lose some games. 

The way things work is that, after the Pool A bid teams are removed from the rankings, the highest regionally ranked teams are compared against each other in terms of winning percentage against regional teams, opponents' winning percentage (OWP), opponents' opponents' winning percentage (OOWP), wins against regionall ranked teams, etc (see the criteria HERE).

Once a team is selected, then the next highest regionally ranked team from that region is compared against the highest regionally ranked teams from each of the other regions.  This continues until all of the Pool C bids have been selected.

This is why regional ranking is so important... if one team A is placed below another team B that doesn't have as good of a resume, then A cannot get selected for an at large bid until team B is.

Now, of course, the NCAA doesn't release their final poll... so we don't actually know what the final regional rankings are. 

I've been posting messages here for about two years now, not as long as most of the members. However, i'm begining to realize more and more, how less and less significant the top 25 poll actually is. Like you said PointSpecial, regional rankings are almost everything when it comes to the post season.

For instance, after UWW lost to UWSP last season, Whitewater still was able to finished fourth in the country, while UWSP finished 9th. However, UWW was seeded 4th (if i remember correctly) in the final regional rankings based largely on the criteria above. Where UWSP finished third in the region, and rightfully so b/c they beat UWW.

But, those regional rankings can be misleading as well..just ask Occidental. Where a #2 can start the playoffs playing a #1, b/c in the first round you play the team geographically close to you. Which I aree on, b/c we don't have the funding to fly teams all over the country like DI schools...those are the breaks  .

For the most part, it seems like the Top 25 is just good for something we can debate on until the regional rankings come out. Never-the-less, DIII does it right with the playoff system to determine it's champion. Unlike DI picking two teams from a complicated formula to decide it's championship for one game. imagine running the table in a season and not ever get a chance to getting a shot at the national championship.

This is Pat's que to chime in and disprove my theory on the insignificance of the Top 25.....

O2,

I know Pat is more than capable in speaking for himself and I'm sure he will. But my thought is that he doesn't claim the Top 25 to be influential as to who actually makes the playoffs. He has succeeded in putting together a Top 25 that has nationwide credibility. As far as I'm concerned, the Top 25 has FAR more credibility that the Regional Committees. UWW ranked #4 in their REGION at any point in the last several years is ridiculous.  I only wish the D3 Football Top 25 would be incorporated into the system!

[John Gleich]

How likely is it that the conference gets more the UWW (assuming they win one more time in the regular season) into the playoffs?  How is this decided within the Pool C bids?

Point is the next most likely candidate... and they have two regional losses.  They will need to win out and have other teams, both in the region and nationally lose some games.  

The way things work is that, after the Pool A bid teams are removed from the rankings, the highest regionally ranked teams are compared against each other in terms of winning percentage against regional teams, opponents' winning percentage (OWP), opponents' opponents' winning percentage (OOWP), wins against regionall ranked teams, etc (see the criteria HERE).

Once a team is selected, then the next highest regionally ranked team from that region is compared against the highest regionally ranked teams from each of the other regions.  This continues until all of the Pool C bids have been selected.

This is why regional ranking is so important... if one team A is placed below another team B that doesn't have as good of a resume, then A cannot get selected for an at large bid until team B is.

Now, of course, the NCAA doesn't release their final poll... so we don't actually know what the final regional rankings are.  

I've been posting messages here for about two years now, not as long as most of the members. However, i'm begining to realize more and more, how less and less significant the top 25 poll actually is. Like you said PointSpecial, regional rankings are almost everything when it comes to the post season.

For instance, after UWW lost to UWSP last season, Whitewater still was able to finished fourth in the country, while UWSP finished 9th. However, UWW was seeded 4th (if i remember correctly) in the final regional rankings based largely on the criteria above. Where UWSP finished third in the region, and rightfully so b/c they beat UWW.

But, those regional rankings can be misleading as well..just ask Occidental. Where a #2 can start the playoffs playing a #1, b/c in the first round you play the team geographically close to you. Which I aree on, b/c we don't have the funding to fly teams all over the country like DI schools...those are the breaks  .

For the most part, it seems like the Top 25 is just good for something we can debate on until the regional rankings come out. Never-the-less, DIII does it right with the playoff system to determine it's champion. Unlike DI picking two teams from a complicated formula to decide it's championship for one game. imagine running the table in a season and not ever get a chance to getting a shot at the national championship.

This is Pat's cue to chime in and disprove my theory on the insignificance of the Top 25.....

The top 25 doesn't claim to project the definitive outcomes based on head to head in the playoffs.  In fact, it has absolutely no impact on this whatsoever.  The playoffs are regionally based... and as such, you may have a stacked region where the best teams play early on because they're close.  You just don't get a seeded tournament with the top 4 teams being seeded as #1's, the next four seeded as #2's, etc.  It IS a poll that is rather subjective in terms of comparing teams based on perceived level of competition and takes intangibles in to account, where as the NCAA selection tries to be as objective as they can...  but it gives equal weight to a decent team that beats up on mediocre teams and an awesome team that beats great teams.

And you're right that it's skewed... when teams are as geographically isolated as the teams out west, they're going to play each other... it's pretty unfortunate, but that's the financial climate that we're in. 

[Pat Coleman]

This is Pat's cue to chime in and disprove my theory on the insignificance of the Top 25.....

Well, the Top 25 won't tell you who will get into the playoffs. It'll just tell you who will do the best when you get there.

[D O.C.]

I'm sayin' I went to the NCAA site for Division rankings and they quoted d3football.com for Division III.