FB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[badgerwarhawk]

I'm not certain that the coaches would want to.  They've got enough on their plates as it is and they may not want to upset any of their competitors.  The SIDs are the ones who vote in all of the sports in which predictions are made.

[Kira & Jaxon's Dad]

...if i'm not mistaken doesn't Mount kind of have the same thing running for them in Ohio? transfers for whatever the reasons may be from D-1 and other D-2 programs from the around the country?

Not too many.  I could probably count on my fingers the number of D-1/D-2 transfers that have come to Mount Union over the past 20 years that have made an impact.

Matt Campbell came from Pitt in the 90's and we had a CB who came from one of the Dakota D-2 schools who had a cup of coffee with the Detroit Lions, but not too many more.  Garcon was a DIII transfer and they currently have a QB who was a walk on at USF for a redshirt year.

In 2003 the Raiders had Larry Kinnard 6'6" 307 OL who came Mount via Ohio State and played against UWW 2002-3!

Kinnard never played/enrolled at OSU.  There was a transcript error and his father also had cancer and he decided to stay home in Alliance (went to Alliance HS) to be closer to his family.

Why are Mount fans so defensive about this?  I don't care if all of their players turned down D-1 scholarships at one point or another, if they're playing by d3 rules there is nothing to be ashamed of.

I think it goes back to the mid to late 90s.  Many posters on these boards used to come on here claiming that the only reason that Mount Union was so good and won so many games in a row was because they had all this D1/D2 talent transferring in.  When in fact there are a very limited number of players who contributed for the Raiders that originally started at "larger" schools.  As of recent times, more and more schools have transfer players and it has not become as much as an issue.

For me, I guess, it was a pride thing that Coach Kehres was able to build such a successful program with a majority of players that were home-grown and not hired guns.

The first Raider Stagg Bowl victory was against Rowan in 1993, and the big talk going into the game that a bunch of small time players from OH would have no chance against the D1 Players that had transferred into Rowan.  The Raiders proved that talk incorrect.

I guess I should get over it now that it is much more common for D3 teams to have transfer players, and many fans are now bragging on the boards about the transfer players they get.

The Kinnard one has alway bugged me a bit because that is a common misconception that is thrown out there.  Yes he had a scholarship offer to "the" OSU, but he never played there (no matter if it was a transcript issue or a family decision).

[warhawk93]

Well the scholarship issue is the fact that athletes have either very good times at their schools or something internal is going on where the kid wants to leave.  So what if they have it I just was asking for purposes unknown to a lot of people.  People just throw out there that Mount has been doing that for years and I was just wondering really, cuz at WW we did have a lot of transfers year in and year out that were scholarship players.  Is that a crime that schools do that?  D-1 does it all the time, so I think a school that brings players in and plays by the rules regardless of where they started shouldn't matter.

[retagent]

News alert for Warhawk fans.

I played golf today with UWW alum (and 1974 UWW and WIAC MVP), and all around good guy,  Dr Greg Gerber. Doc got his second hole-in-one this year. His first was only two months ago, on the very same hole. I almost yelled, "You da man."

[BoBo]

Doc got his second hole-in-one this year. His first was only two months ago, on the very same hole.

...the hole has since been renamed the "Doc Gerber Hole." 

BTW, I bet these words are on everyones lips -- how did the good docter's playing partner do? Any remarkable feats of note? 

[Just Bill]

But I'm not so sure the SID from one school knows much at all about the team from another.  Which makes the ranking process somewhat of an academic exercise. 

I brought this up for discussion a couple days ago & I'll say it again -- why do the SID's vote on this?

Frankly, it's because the coaches are too chicken to do it (particularily in FB and MBB). They're terrified of giving other teams a perceived snub or additional motivation. This way they can just shake their heads and chuckle at those silly SIDs who don't really know anything.

[footballfan413]

Frankly, it's because the coaches are too chicken to do it (particularily in FB and MBB). They're terrified of giving other teams a perceived snub or additional motivation. This way they can just shake their heads and chuckle at those silly SIDs who don't really know anything.

Makes perfect sense to me.  "Terrified," maybe a little harsh but I certainly understand the wisdom for the coaches of not getting involved with what is eventually a guessing game for the purpose of kick starting media coverage at the beginning of the season.  And if that is the purpose, "to kick start media coverage at the beginning of the season," then the SID's doing it seems logical to me if not very accurate.  

[footballfan413]

Last five years Stagg Bowls ( Mount Union and UWW)

2005 Raiders 35 - Warhawks 28 - Diff.   7
2006 Raiders 35 - Warhawks 16 - Diff.  19
2007 Raiders 21 - Warhawks 31 - Diff.  10
2008 Raiders 31 - Warhawks 26 - Diff.    5
2009 Raiders 28 - Warhawks 38 - Diff   10

Raiders ave. score                  30
Warhawks ave. score              27.8
Ave. difference for all games    10.2
Most pts. scored Warhawks     38
Fewest pits scored Warhawks  16

These games represented what championship games should be, two strong programs that showed their strengths IMHO!

Great job, 68.  I would just add the scores at half time to further demonstrate the competitive closeness between these two teams.  

Stagg Bowl half time scores:
05     7-0
06     14-10
07    3-0
08    3-3
09    21-14

The only thing I would consider a, "yawner," about these games is the repetitiveness of the participants.  

[retagent]

BTW, I bet these words are on everyones lips -- how did the good docter's playing partner do? Any remarkable feats of note? 

I was even on the front before "losing focus" and playing a Tiger-like (as of late) back nine. One of the others in our group shot a Personal Best 67.

[Raider 68]

Last five years Stagg Bowls ( Mount Union and UWW)

2005 Raiders 35 - Warhawks 28 - Diff.   7
2006 Raiders 35 - Warhawks 16 - Diff.  19
2007 Raiders 21 - Warhawks 31 - Diff.  10
2008 Raiders 31 - Warhawks 26 - Diff.    5
2009 Raiders 28 - Warhawks 38 - Diff   10

Raiders ave. score                  30
Warhawks ave. score              27.8
Ave. difference for all games    10.2
Most pts. scored Warhawks     38
Fewest pits scored Warhawks  16

These games represented what championship games should be, two strong programs that showed their strengths IMHO!

Great job, 68.  I would just add the scores at half time to further demonstrate the competitive closeness between these two teams. 

Stagg Bowl half time scores:
05     7-0
06     14-10
07    3-0
08    3-3
09    21-14

The only thing I would consider a, "yawner," about these games is the repetitiveness of the participants.   

I thought about a comparison of game stats, but for those non-supporters of Mount Union/UWW it may have been a bit much. Thanks for your thoughts as well!

[BoBo]

Last five years Stagg Bowls ( Mount Union and UWW)

2005 Raiders 35 - Warhawks 28 - Diff.   7
2006 Raiders 35 - Warhawks 16 - Diff.  19
2007 Raiders 21 - Warhawks 31 - Diff.  10
2008 Raiders 31 - Warhawks 26 - Diff.    5
2009 Raiders 28 - Warhawks 38 - Diff   10

Raiders ave. score                  30
Warhawks ave. score              27.8
Ave. difference for all games    10.2
Most pts. scored Warhawks     38
Fewest pits scored Warhawks  16

These games represented what championship games should be, two strong programs that showed their strengths IMHO!

Great job, 68.  I would just add the scores at half time to further demonstrate the competitive closeness between these two teams.  

Stagg Bowl half time scores:
05     7-0
06     14-10
07    3-0
08    3-3
09    21-14

The only thing I would consider a, "yawner," about these games is the repetitiveness of the participants.  

Not when you compare these 5 games to the 5 previous to this or worse yet, the 5 previous to that, hard to compare the UWW/Mount "Five" with all those "yawners!!"  

[WarhawkDad]

First to all of those that welcomed me, Thanks!  My son told me all about being a FIB, FISH or FIBWAB, but what I did not expect is how much living in Wisconsin has impacted him.  He now has a pick-up truck.  He had to upgrade the muffler to be louder, he has a John Deere sticker  on it and he wears a Dodge camoflage baseball cap with a gold fishhook on the brim .   Can't blame him, the success of the team, the quality of the school, has made the entire family fans!

3 weeks until the first game.  Already planning a tailgate menu.  By the way, we usually tailgate with the parents of number 15 and 84, along with others.  Stop by and say hello! 

[WarhawkDad]

Well the scholarship issue is the fact that athletes have either very good times at their schools or something internal is going on where the kid wants to leave.  So what if they have it I just was asking for purposes unknown to a lot of people.  People just throw out there that Mount has been doing that for years and I was just wondering really, cuz at WW we did have a lot of transfers year in and year out that were scholarship players.  Is that a crime that schools do that?  D-1 does it all the time, so I think a school that brings players in and plays by the rules regardless of where they started shouldn't matter.

I agree completely, it should not make a difference.  Successful programs are attractive to players.  If a kid goes D1 or D2 and then wants to leave for whatever reason and still wants to play, they will want to play for a winner.  Winning programs self perpetuate. 

[badgerwarhawk]

Not when you compare these 5 games to the 5 previous to this or worse yet, the 5 previous to that, hard to compare the UWW/Mount "Five" with all those "yawners!!" 

The time we played Mount in WHITEWATER (2003 I think) we stayed with them for a half.  But the second half was a different story.  They just blew us out.  They had a really good team that year particularly their quarterback. 

[BoBo]

Not when you compare these 5 games to the 5 previous to this or worse yet, the 5 previous to that, hard to compare the UWW/Mount "Five" with all those "yawners!!"  

The time we played Mount in WHITEWATER (2003 I think) we stayed with them for a half.  But the second half was a different story.  They just blew us out.  They had a really good team that year particularly their quarterback.  

bw, I think you misunderstood my point. I was referring to the previous 5 Stagg Bowls before before the 5 UWW & Mount have played --  and the 5 Stagg's previous to those. In those 10 years, there were not many highly competitive games, i.e. 48-7, 61-12, 42-13, 56-24, 36-7. IMHO, for all those that hate seeing the same two purple powers each of the last 5 years, these games as a collective group, maybe more competitive than any other 5 year period. I'm certainly not a Stagg Bowl historian, but check for yourself.