FB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[02 Warhawk]

Right on 02......polls are excellent conversation pieces and not much more......I admit I look at them but the regional rankings hold the importance......If you want to get worked up get worked up over them although both Pat and 413 make excellent points......Pound the Rock!!!!!.......

I'm not even sure of the importance of the early Regional Rankings. Last year the First Regional Rankings in the West, released on October 28, 2009 looked like this :

West Region
1.   Linfield   6-0   7-0
2.   Central   8-0   8-0
3.   St. John's 8-0   8-0
4.   UW-Whitewater   5-0   7-0
5.   Monmouth   8-0   8-0
6.   St. Thomas 6-1   6-1
7.   Coe 6-1   6-1
8.   Occidental   5-1   5-1
9.   Cal Lutheran   5-1   5-1
10.   UW-Stevens Point   4-1   5-2

Linfield, Central, and St. John's all won out before the playoffs subsequent to this ranking, yet UW-W ended up being a top seed. Although, if I remember right, the brackets don't bear a directional title (ie, no east, west, north, or south).

These rankings are based purely off a calculation I believe, with the strength of schedule being a factor. At this point last year Whitewater was still waiting to play UWSP, UWO and UWL...once they beat them that boosted their SOS, basically pushing them up to number 1 in the region. Plus their SOS took a huge hit early on by playing two NAIA teams and Puget Sound. That's b/c UPS sucks (and they weren't a "regional game") and NAIA teams can't be calculated towards a teams SOS.

So you're correct by saying that "early regional rankings" don't matter much...but the final regional rankings are really close to what teams will be seeded in their region in the playoffs. with the exception of teams being moved to a different region (like UMU).

[BoBo]

UPS last year was "in-region" (i.e. West Region).

I maybe wrong, so one of the Linfield guys can correct me, but I think the Linfield coach was on the West Region Committee or even Co-Chairperson of the committee - not a big surprise they topped the first ranking.

None of the Warhawks NC games will count this year - 2 NAIA and Adrian from the North Region. That's a pet peeve of mine - the playoff committee hasn't used directional names for the regions in the playoff brackets for a couple years, yet still, only in-region games count in SOS. All D-III games should count if they aren't going to bracket using regions IMO. Schools that are forced to go out side of their region to find games (WIAC's) are penalized because no one close to them are willing to play them.

[bulk19]

So what you are saying, BoBo, is your opinion of the UWEC defense is based on one game; I didn't realize one game defines a season, but... I merely put out two other games where that inept D played pretty well...

But, as you say, those were merely a case of the SJU and UWSP offenses being inept, while the Blugold D deserves no credit....

But in the case of the UWW game, using your train of thought and logic, if it's the Blugold D that was inept, therefore, the WW offense deserves no credit for putting up 45 points, because, afterall, they were playing against the inept Blugold D out there... 

[footballfan413]

Congrats to AJ's defense and rest of the Cougars, 413.  I noticed that they finally came out on top of one last Saturday.







Actually I am complimenting 413 because I am a karma whore and hoping she'll toss one my way.  

Thanks, BW.  With that win, they double their win record from last year.    Last game is tonight so fingers crossed and then he has lots of plans for the off season/weight room/summer camps, etc.

+karma for the kiss up.  

[02 Warhawk]

UPS last year was "in-region" (i.e. West Region).

I maybe wrong, so one of the Linfield guys can correct me, but I think the Linfield coach was on the West Region Committee or even Co-Chairperson of the committee - not a big surprise they topped the first ranking.

Non of the Warhawks NC games will count this year - 2 NAIA and Adrian from the North Region. That's a pet peeve of mine - the playoff committee hasn't used directional names for the regions in the playoff brackets for a couple years, yet still, only in-region games count in SOS. All D-III games should count if they aren't going to bracket using regions IMO. Schools that are forced to go out side of their region to find games (WIAC's) are penalized because no one close to them are willing to play them.

yea, you're correct, they were an in region game...for some reason i thought they weren't. However, they didn't do any favors for our SOS, b/c they went winless that season.

[BoBo]

So what you are saying, BoBo, is your opinion of the UWEC defense is based on one game; I didn't realize one game defines a season, but... I merely put out two other games where that inept D played pretty well...

But, as you say, those were merely a case of the SJU and UWSP offenses being inept, while the Blugold D deserves no credit....

But in the case of the UWW game, using your train of thought and logic, if it's the Blugold D that was inept, therefore, the WW offense deserves no credit for putting up 45 points, because, afterall, they were playing against the inept Blugold D out there...  

[warning: lengthy - sorry in advance]

One last time bulk19, please read carefully this time. I expressed an opinion about 1 game I watched, last saturday at Carson Park in Eau Claire, Wisconsin. I saw two teams that were about as polar opposites, on that day, as two could be. I didn't compare it to any other game, at any other time. Just one game on the 16th of Oct 2010. Nothing else, nothing less. If that is too difficult to understand I apologize, as that's the easiest way I can describe it. You keep wanting to add other games into the mix & as I said, I can only hypothesize about those since I didn't see them. These are some of the things I posted:

What did we learn today?
1.  Eau Claire is a kitty cat in wolves clothes - Warhawks made them look soft in every facet of the game.

[IMHO] They look totally under-prepared and didn't show much effort. I don't know what else to say, it was one of the most lopsided WIAC conference games I have seen in a long time.

Much of the problems the 'golds encountered was inflicted by a completely dominating 'hawk presence. Just that EC didn't do anything to live up to their advanced billing.

What I said in my initial comment and every subsequent comment is that it was my opinion that the EC defense that I watched last saturday vs UWW was the softest I have seen in the WIAC in a long time.

I wasn't the only one, bulk19 (a couple examples):

Warhawks 45 EC 0...folks that game really hasn't been that close...paraphrased by Gary Douglas. lol

EC has been playing as soft as butter in the sun.

Really impressive. I don't mean to demean any team or program by saying this, but it's almost scary when we can treat UW-EC like Lakeland!

Unfortunately, at this point in time and for the last 5 years, the defining moment for any WIAC school isn't how they perform against (with all due respect) SJU, Central, Dubuque, Missouri S & T, or UW-SP, it's what they do against Whitewater or any other school in bp's level 1. That's not me in purple-tinted shades, but a fact. D-III is a business & competitive; the name of the game is what have you done for me lately. Obviously, I understand you are very content with the Blugolds past achievements this year, rather than the status quo. That's fine with me; whatever turns your crank. I wouldn't be, but to each his own.    

It's time to take off your Blugold-tinted shades, bulk19, and post an objective opinion of what you saw last Saturday at Carson Park. I've noticed you have failed to do so in all your posts (maybe intentionally   ) I'm sure you were there. I encougage you to compare the UWW game last saturday to your favorite early season game(s): this year, last year, or any year - if you are so inclined!!    Otherwise, it's time to move on - I'm getting bored!!  

[footballfan413]

BW,
  Cougars won again last night 27-6.  Defense only gave up 2 field goals.  Winning the last two games is such a great way to end the season and gives the program something to build on.  We are smiling around our house this morning.    

[BoBo]

Anyone else expecting a strong dose of AA, with a dash of Coppage? Personally I feel that River Falls will be a cupcake, though UWW can't take them lightly. Play Coppage but give him fewer carries so he can continue to heal and don't play Stanley unless necessary. AA and the passing game should be enough to get this game done, I'll predict 52-0.  Prepair for an epic fail on my prediction!  

With the RF coach without a win in his final season, I can't see the Warhawks wanting to ring up a margin that big. Of course, they're not going to let RF win, but the Warhawks have nothing to prove against RF. I hope they get Blanchard out of the game as early as possible. It's these kind of games where some freak thing happens and you lose the services of a key member of the team.

Last year, if you remember, some felt Whitewater ran up the score on a helpless team - that might weigh on the mind of the coaching staff as the game progresses.  This game has the potential to get Dakota State ugly, but I see Whitewater taking steps in attempt to avoid doing that to another WIAC school if at all possible. We might just run the ball the whole game, but RF's run defense is dead last in conference and pass defense nearly the same. RF still has to stop them, which might be easier said then done.


HERE'S a case of running up a score. Gregg Easterbrook on ESPN.com said of this game:

"Apparently sportsmanship is not on the curriculum at Lindenwood University, which, leading 48-3 at the half, came out passing in the third quarter, then kept starters on the field until the margin was 62-10. Coach Patrick Ross, does bullying a weak opponent make you feel like a man? Lindenwood president James Evans, your school owes collegiate athletics an apology."

[02 Warhawk]

Inaugural DIII Football Weekly Fan Poll

Why should the coaches, SIDs and media members have all the fun....

[BoBo]

Inaugural DIII Football Weekly Fan Poll

Why should the coaches, SIDs and media members have all the fun....

From a quick glance, rather similar to the top 25 on this website. Seven teams in the exact position and the rest within 1-2 positions (a couple at 3). I would say the D3 Football poll accurately reflects these 16 fans vote.

[badgerwarhawk]

BW,
   Cougars won again last night 27-6.  Defense only gave up 2 field goals.  Winning the last two games is such a great way to end the season and gives the program something to build on.  We are smiling around our house this morning.    

Whoo Hooo, congrats.  With a 3-6 record Craig actually tripled their 2009 season record of 1-8. 

[Beyond Prime]

... Personally I feel that River Falls will be a cupcake, though UWW can't take them lightly. ...

... helpless team - that might weigh on the mind of the coaching staff as the game progresses.  This game has the potential to get Dakota State ugly, but I see Whitewater taking steps in attempt to avoid doing that to another WIAC school if at all possible. ...

This is my first full football season of reading this site regularly. Before now, I checked it every once and a while.

On that note, I do find it interesting the choice of words that are used by what seems to be primarily WW fans. One thing that I would like to remind those people of is that it isn't a matter of if, it is a matter of time before the tide will change and there will be another team on top in the conference and the division. I just wonder how those people will react to those comments if they were made about the WW team? 

[02 Warhawk]

... Personally I feel that River Falls will be a cupcake, though UWW can't take them lightly. ...

... helpless team - that might weigh on the mind of the coaching staff as the game progresses.  This game has the potential to get Dakota State ugly, but I see Whitewater taking steps in attempt to avoid doing that to another WIAC school if at all possible. ...

This is my first full football season of reading this site regularly. Before now, I checked it every once and a while.

On that note, I do find it interesting the choice of words that are used by what seems to be primarily WW fans. One thing that I would like to remind those people of is that it isn't a matter of if, it is a matter of time before the tide will change and there will be another team on top in the conference and the division. I just wonder how those people will react to those comments if they were made about the WW team?  

you're abosuletly correct...sooner or later another WIAC team will overtake UWW as the conference favorite. Just like La Crosse in the early 90s compared to now. I think us UWW fans are just enjoying the present rather than worrying about what's coming in the future.

Besides I'm sure those "choice of words" were already spoken about UWW in the past...they weren't exactly much of a threat when I was there.

We are just enjoying the ride while it lasts.  

[Raider 68]

Bleedpurple,

Good job on the Fan Top25! +k

[fanofwiac]

... Personally I feel that River Falls will be a cupcake, though UWW can't take them lightly. ...

... helpless team - that might weigh on the mind of the coaching staff as the game progresses.  This game has the potential to get Dakota State ugly, but I see Whitewater taking steps in attempt to avoid doing that to another WIAC school if at all possible. ...

This is my first full football season of reading this site regularly. Before now, I checked it every once and a while.

On that note, I do find it interesting the choice of words that are used by what seems to be primarily WW fans. One thing that I would like to remind those people of is that it isn't a matter of if, it is a matter of time before the tide will change and there will be another team on top in the conference and the division. I just wonder how those people will react to those comments if they were made about the WW team?  

you're abosuletly correct...sooner or later another WIAC team will overtake UWW as the conference favorite. Just like La Crosse in the early 90s compared to now. I think us UWW fans are just enjoying the present rather than worrying about what's coming in the future.

Besides I'm sure those "choice of words" were already spoken about UWW in the past...they weren't exactly much of a threat when I was there.

We are just enjoying the ride while it lasts.  

I understand they are just words and I understand WW fans are on a roll and yes, enjoy it!  But I gotta say that Prime has a point.  It is certainly OK to dissect a teams performance, stats, whatever.  But at times I see posts saying "Where are all the other fans?".  Could this be a reason?  Yes, some teams are struggling.  But they deserve some respect, as do all the teams.   If this was a forum just for WW, I wouldn't think twice about it, enter at your own risk, but this is a WIAC forum.
I don't think anyone means harm, but I do think at times things could be worded a little better.   Sometimes I think the WW people start talking to each other and forget other team fans are tuning in.

IMHO.....for what it's worth....I'll never get an karma on this board!