FB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[02 Warhawk]

I think the regional rankings come out this week... I believe it was around this week last season when they were posted, just after week 8.

[WarhawkDad]

Hi guys. Yes, my last name is Prindl, so if you remember me thats awesome. I was not THAT memorable as a skinny guard compared to the others I played with.

Kris, is that you?

I did not take the time to read the million posts prior to these pages but I have been curious the last few years about what happened at UWW after I left. The Hawks were always a pretty good team under Coach Berezzy. A few years later they got pretty bad. And then they got a series against Mt. Union and something changed. The program woke up. They became a true power. The emulated Mt Union. We had great talent before so it wasn't really better athletes. We had wonderful facilities so that didn't change. What happened that so profoundly changed Warhawk football? From the outside I can't see it.

Interesting note I have, in 1987 I was a freshman redshirt at UW-RF recruited by coach Foley to an amazing wishbone offense that had 2 all americans in the backfield, and one interesting guy named Steve Dinkel as a guard that was not always a nice guy to be around. I had a full year there, and that school was a lot of fun.  I had to join the Army, and came back to football at UWW. Its nice to see Dinkel at UWW now as well......

WarhawkGuard

I would suggest to you that the level of talent may be the same in individual skill position players, but the depth of talent is significantly different.  Just my thoughts.

[02 Warhawk]

Hi guys. Yes, my last name is Prindl, so if you remember me thats awesome. I was not THAT memorable as a skinny guard compared to the others I played with.

Kris, is that you?

I did not take the time to read the million posts prior to these pages but I have been curious the last few years about what happened at UWW after I left. The Hawks were always a pretty good team under Coach Berezzy. A few years later they got pretty bad. And then they got a series against Mt. Union and something changed. The program woke up. They became a true power. The emulated Mt Union. We had great talent before so it wasn't really better athletes. We had wonderful facilities so that didn't change. What happened that so profoundly changed Warhawk football? From the outside I can't see it.

Interesting note I have, in 1987 I was a freshman redshirt at UW-RF recruited by coach Foley to an amazing wishbone offense that had 2 all americans in the backfield, and one interesting guy named Steve Dinkel as a guard that was not always a nice guy to be around. I had a full year there, and that school was a lot of fun.  I had to join the Army, and came back to football at UWW. Its nice to see Dinkel at UWW now as well......

WarhawkGuard

I would suggest to you that the level of talent may be the same in individual skill position players, but the depth of talent is significantly different.  Just my thoughts.

great point, I totally agree. When I was at UWW they always had a handful of great athletes at certain positions. but now a days they have great athletes at every position, as well as great young tallent backing them up.

[Devil Badger Gopher]

Hope alot of these young minnesota players from UWRF stay at UWRF in the coming years!  Seems they have a few decent young players in Adams, Mandoza, Bjorkland, Mehan, Brandt, and Udeh to name those listed in the recap! Things will get better there for sure!

Not to interpret for the original poster, but as I read this post, I believe Assassin is saying that he wants the recruits to (not transfer) stay at RF because they are going to get better and help improve the program.  He concludes by saying, "Things will get better there for sure".   So I think this was meant as a compliment not an insult.

WarhawkDad

There was a quote before the one you quoted.  I will find and quote in next post.

[Devil Badger Gopher]

I noticed something reading the recap on RF's website. All the players listed are from MN, maybe that's why they don't have the best talent? The people from Minnesota mostly have to have been picked over by all the DI, II and III schools their first before deciding to come to RF.

This is the quote.  A lot more talent in Minneapolis/St. Paul Metro area than all of Wisconsin.  They can fuel all of their D2 programs, Iowa and Wisconsin as Gophers do not get the best ones, and the top D3's in the state, St. John's, St. Thomas, and rest of MIAC.  One sample score from a HS border battle 42-3 Minnetonka over Stevens Point.  This is a clear example of how two of the largest schools in both states match up against each other with talent.

[kubiack78]

Hi guys. Yes, my last name is Prindl, so if you remember me thats awesome. I was not THAT memorable as a skinny guard compared to the others I played with.

Kris, is that you?

I did not take the time to read the million posts prior to these pages but I have been curious the last few years about what happened at UWW after I left. The Hawks were always a pretty good team under Coach Berezzy. A few years later they got pretty bad. And then they got a series against Mt. Union and something changed. The program woke up. They became a true power. The emulated Mt Union. We had great talent before so it wasn't really better athletes. We had wonderful facilities so that didn't change. What happened that so profoundly changed Warhawk football? From the outside I can't see it.

Interesting note I have, in 1987 I was a freshman redshirt at UW-RF recruited by coach Foley to an amazing wishbone offense that had 2 all americans in the backfield, and one interesting guy named Steve Dinkel as a guard that was not always a nice guy to be around. I had a full year there, and that school was a lot of fun.  I had to join the Army, and came back to football at UWW. Its nice to see Dinkel at UWW now as well......

Yes Travis it is me, good guess

[Pat Coleman]

Good to see the Journal Sentinal is double checking its stories before publishing.  

This sort of stuff happens all the time to DIII in the news....it's a shame.

It's the Journal Sentinel, not Sentinal.

[WarhawkDad]

I noticed something reading the recap on RF's website. All the players listed are from MN, maybe that's why they don't have the best talent? The people from Minnesota mostly have to have been picked over by all the DI, II and III schools their first before deciding to come to RF.

This is the quote.  A lot more talent in Minneapolis/St. Paul Metro area than all of Wisconsin.  They can fuel all of their D2 programs, Iowa and Wisconsin as Gophers do not get the best ones, and the top D3's in the state, St. John's, St. Thomas, and rest of MIAC.  One sample score from a HS border battle 42-3 Minnetonka over Stevens Point.  This is a clear example of how two of the largest schools in both states match up against each other with talent.

The sentence in question has a question mark after it inviting discussion.  It is not a statement.  From my perspective, talent comes from everywhere, but the ability to attract depth of talent may be based upon the success of the program and proximity to areas of density of talent.  UWW attracts from the Milwaukee, Madison and Chicago area where you have a huge number of high schools.  The success of the program then helps promote the program.

[danimal]

A lot more talent in Minneapolis/St. Paul Metro area than all of Wisconsin.  They can fuel all of their D2 programs, Iowa and Wisconsin as Gophers do not get the best ones, and the top D3's in the state, St. John's, St. Thomas, and rest of MIAC.  One sample score from a HS border battle 42-3 Minnetonka over Stevens Point.  This is a clear example of how two of the largest schools in both states match up against each other with talent.

WI Rapds was ok last year and came close against a powerful Wayzata team...closer than score indicated.  If I'm not mistaken, Somerset also beat a bit larger school than them who was state champ a couple year's ago, two years in a row.  Menomonie used to beat up some Minni schools too. Hudson over Farmington this year, etc., etc.   Minni and WI are close, IMO, talent and team wise.  Kenosha Bradford against Eden Prairie would be a good matchup.

[fballfan]

Like I said last week, no other team will make playoffs besides UWW.  This does take away from the rest of the conference since UWW has played an extra 3 seasons in the past 5 years including this post season based on extra practices.  Biggest factor against rest of WIAC trying to unseed UWW.  I thought I saw the future when I mentioned RF will go winless prior to conference play, that looks to be one more game away from a lock.  Still cannot believe the comment about Minnesota having bad recruits and that is why RF is bad.  This must be why ILL and NW are so good recruiting Chicago.  Schools, money, programs are some of the strongest recruiting tools.  Glad to see Stout took it to Eau Claire.  My experience has EC always being too arrogant in what they really are, another school in NW Wisconsin.  Sorry for the rant, but with Badgers W and last night's game, been preoccupied outside of D3. 

EC is arrogant?  What am I missing here?  What brings this on?

[Just Bill]

Good to see the Journal Sentinal is double checking its stories before publishing.  

This sort of stuff happens all the time to DIII in the news....it's a shame.

It's the Journal Sentinel, not Sentinal.

This sort of stuff happens all the time to newspapers on message boards....it's a shame.

[02 Warhawk]

Good to see the Journal Sentinal is double checking its stories before publishing.  

This sort of stuff happens all the time to DIII in the news....it's a shame.

It's the Journal Sentinel, not Sentinal.

This sort of stuff happens all the time to newspapers on message boards....it's a shame.

yes, yes, thank you....I missed spelled the word Sentinel. way to do your job Pat  

Although it isn't my job to not mis-spell words on message boards, it is the Sentinel's job to report news accurately.  

Clever retort Just Bill, I like it....

[Pat Coleman]

Well, regardless, if throwing stones, it's good to make sure your own house is not made out of glass.

[John Gleich]

http://athletics.uwstout.edu/news/2010/10/23/FB_1023102210.aspx?path=football

?  I think it's only a 89 1/2 yard touchdown return.    Seriously it looks like WIAC special teams player of the week to me.


Will Anderson (38/240, 6.3/carry, 3 touchdowns) be the WARHAWKS first WIAC offensive player of the week?  

Prediction on the WIAC player of the week, just for conversation's sake, since I only saw his highlights, but UWSP's Jared Jenkins had a monster week, with 7 catches for 2TDs. He's in the mix...

Just Bill = got your ears on? Do you read the SP Journal on a daily basis? Refresh my memory if you have seen an article on Jenkins lately. I may have, but don't remember, and didn't see anything in the archives, and don't see little sidebars that would be in the paper, that would trip my memory.

But have you seen anything in the Point paper on the attention he's drawing from NFL scouts? The La Crosse paper yesterday mentions he's got two dozen teams taking a look at him, and mentions that fact in the recap today, too...

I follow the SPJ online and I don't recall seeing anything (though I haven't been sifting through it with a fine-toothed comb).

I did talk to somebody (former football player) from the Point's athletic department this weekend at the Hall of Fame induction and he mentioned that he hadn't heard anything definitive.

Lots is riding on it for him, obviously... but he was a pretty large piece of the puzzle from UWSP's basketball national championship last season... if he decides to pursue the NFL possibility, there's almost no way he can play basketball.

I'm not going to say that it completely destroys Point's chances at repeating... but last season in particular, he really came into his own as a great basketball player, not just a great athlete who plays basketball.

Point still has a shot at the playoffs... if they can knock Whitewater off this weekend.  It's probably a long shot... but SP was the last team to do it and they have an opportunity again on Saturday to prove that the "W" in WIAC stands for "Wisconsin" and not "Whitewater!"

[John Gleich]

I noticed something reading the recap on RF's website. All the players listed are from MN, maybe that's why they don't have the best talent? The people from Minnesota mostly have to have been picked over by all the DI, II and III schools their first before deciding to come to RF.

This is the quote.  A lot more talent in Minneapolis/St. Paul Metro area than all of Wisconsin.  They can fuel all of their D2 programs, Iowa and Wisconsin as Gophers do not get the best ones, and the top D3's in the state, St. John's, St. Thomas, and rest of MIAC.  One sample score from a HS border battle 42-3 Minnetonka over Stevens Point.  This is a clear example of how two of the largest schools in both states match up against each other with talent.

The sentence in question has a question mark after it inviting discussion.  It is not a statement.  From my perspective, talent comes from everywhere, but the ability to attract depth of talent may be based upon the success of the program and proximity to areas of density of talent.  UWW attracts from the Milwaukee, Madison and Chicago area where you have a huge number of high schools.  The success of the program then helps promote the program.

It's impossible to compare two entire states based on one score.  And furthermore, there's a lot more that goes into the quality of an athletic program other than just enrollment.  The top program division in Illinois this season is 7a (enrollment threshhold: 2023-2603), not 8a (largest schools) and the best school (Wheaton Warrenville South - 2321) is dwarved by some of the 8a schools.  There are 77 schools with a greater enrollment.

Just because SPASH is one of the schools with the highest enrollment doesn't mean they are indicitive of the level of competition from the entire state.