FB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[voice]

Let's face it - at least as far as Whitewater is concerned, the bracket is a travesty.  Any serious D3 fan knows that.  This is a ham handed attempt to increase the odds that there will be at least one new team in Salem in December.  Why didn't they just put UWW and Mount on the same side of the bracket as #1's?

If they committee was using Titan Q's concept, then Mt U would have been #4, not #3.

Lets see what UWW's football resume for the D III Football Committee......

UW-Whitewater Football - 6 consecutive WIAC Championships - five consecutive trips to the Amos Alonzo Stagg Bowl - 2007 & 2009 NCAA Division III National Championships - the nations current longest win streak (any division) - and a No. 2 seed in the 2010 Division III Playoffs, Priceless

Whitewater gets penalized because D III schools, particularly CCIW schools refuse to play the Warhawks.

Great playoff system NCAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

instead of the whining by you and a few others from UWW today, how about you just line up and play and prove the bracket doesn't matter?

Not so fast my friend.... UWW fans aren't whining, they are just taking a couple of days to put a giant chip on their shoulders. First up for the Grizzlies is an unbeaten team setting out on yet another playoff run.  Looking forward to seeing Griz fans at the Perk next Saturday.

What is the old saying? Only the strong survive.

[02 Warhawk]

Let's face it - at least as far as Whitewater is concerned, the bracket is a travesty.  Any serious D3 fan knows that.  This is a ham handed attempt to increase the odds that there will be at least one new team in Salem in December.  Why didn't they just put UWW and Mount on the same side of the bracket as #1's?

If they committee was using Titan Q's concept, then Mt U would have been #4, not #3.

Lets see what UWW's football resume for the D III Football Committee......

UW-Whitewater Football - 6 consecutive WIAC Championships - five consecutive trips to the Amos Alonzo Stagg Bowl - 2007 & 2009 NCAA Division III National Championships - the nations current longest win streak (any division) - and a No. 2 seed in the 2010 Division III Playoffs, Priceless

Whitewater gets penalized because D III schools, particularly CCIW schools refuse to play the Warhawks.

Great playoff system NCAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

instead of the whining by you and a few others from UWW today, how about you just line up and play and prove the bracket doesn't matter?

b/c us posters don't play any of the games.

[Warhawk 96]

FYI, NCC's non-conference opponents have a record of 4-26. All four of those wins were by UWEC. So much for strength of schedule.

[badger45]

On subjective (i.e., perception) grounds, I haven't seen a single poster on ANY board arguing that UWW shouldn't have been a #1 seed.  BY THE CRITERIA for D3 (voted by the members, not imposed by some alien NCAA), NO ONE from UWW (or elsewhere) has explained how THIS year (prior years are not in the criteria) UWW is any more deserving of a #1 seed than are 10-0 St. Thomas or 10-0 NCC.

Rather than continuing the bitching session, perhaps someone could step up to the plate?

I, too, on subjective grounds was shocked that UWW was not a #1 seed, but by the member-voted criteria, why should they be?

Common opponents:
STU 27- UWRF 3
UWW 63- UWRF 14
NCC 20- UWEC 6
UWW 45- UWEC 0.

It's obvious that there's a huge difference in talent when UWW takes the field. We've destroyed our common opponents while these other two (more NCC than STU) are eeking out tough wins against them.

Also if you wanted another comparison with STU. 
UWW 45 UWEC 0
UWEC 23 SJU 20
SJU 26 STU 27

I am not a UWW fan by any means having graduated from a different WIAC school but i recognize that they are much better than at least 2 of the 1 seeds (STU and NCC in my honest opinion).  Couldn't believe that they were given a 2 seed.  Well hopefully they use it as motivation and represent the WIAC well.

[badgerwarhawk]

We are better than Wesley KABOOM as well.

[BoBo]

Don't be complaining that no one will play you. Other teams make the same argument (UMU, Trine, NCC, etc.). Get creative to schedule better non-conference competition.

On the WIAC board, the UWW supporters belittle all the other WIAC teams. You need those teams to be better, to actually have a couple games where UWW sweats a little. In the last D3 Poll, only UWSP received votes (besides UWW) and it was just 1 vote. So, the rest of the country doesn't respect the rest of the WIAC. UWW could win the D3 Chamionship again, but the WIAC is not the best conference. The CCIW has had 2 teams in the top 20 all season, and other teams have received votes week to week. Look at the scores of Wheaton's games and you'll see a better balance in the CCIW.

Oh, why didn't we ever think of that? You mean it only takes getting creative in our schedule making? What a brilliant concept. Hear that everybody, get creative in our schedule making and everything will work out fine.      

ILGator, UMU has to fill 1 NC game a year - big deal. Whoever heard of Trine or NCC having to complain about schedule making? Trine? There are 8 schools north of your border willing & able to travel anywhere in the CCIW, anywhere, anytime. Put your money where your mouth is and lobby your favorite school to get it done. Common man, get real!!

UWW posters must have some kind of voodoo hex thing going on with all the other WIAC's making them not play very well. And Wheaton being the gold standard for determining balance? How is this relevant to the question at hand? You covered all the bases with this post IlGator.  

[02 Warhawk]

Looks like Franklin can put up some points:

                                                           UW-W               FC
rush offense                                          9th (305.4)    64th (178.9)
pass offense                                           81st (217.1)    6th (311.1)
total offense                                            1st (522.6)    7th (490.0)
scoring offense                                         6th (44.9)    1st (48.1)
rush defense                                             4th (52.0)    8th (63.2)
pass defense                                         43rd (163.2)    64th (173.3)
total defense                                          5th (214.2)    12th (236.6)
scoring defense                                       4th (9.67)    8th (10.3)
quarterback efficiency    Matt Blanchard 4th (184.3)    Kyle Ray 1st (192.6)
Conference Rank                                           1st              20th

[GBMAN]

On subjective (i.e., perception) grounds, I haven't seen a single poster on ANY board arguing that UWW shouldn't have been a #1 seed.  BY THE CRITERIA for D3 (voted by the members, not imposed by some alien NCAA), NO ONE from UWW (or elsewhere) has explained how THIS year (prior years are not in the criteria) UWW is any more deserving of a #1 seed than are 10-0 St. Thomas or 10-0 NCC.

Rather than continuing the bitching session, perhaps someone could step up to the plate?

I, too, on subjective grounds was shocked that UWW was not a #1 seed, but by the member-voted criteria, why should they be?

Common opponents:
STU 27- UWRF 3
UWW 63- UWRF 14
NCC 20- UWEC 6
UWW 45- UWEC 0.

Those scores tell me everything I need to know... Thanks.... UW-W not getting a #1 seed is totally bogus...

[retagent]

I guess none of you have followed the scoring threads where some non-discropt D II team would beat Boise State or some such school, because Team A beat Team B, Team B beat Team C, Team C beat Team D etc etc, etc. It's a nice exercise, but means nothing

Also, could someone explain to me how if the WIAC is indeed the #1 conference, UWW's SOS is so low, since they play the other WIAC schools. Remeber, I'm a lowly Johnnie.

[hazzben]

Let's face it - at least as far as Whitewater is concerned, the bracket is a travesty.  Any serious D3 fan knows that.  This is a ham handed attempt to increase the odds that there will be at least one new team in Salem in December.  Why didn't they just put UWW and Mount on the same side of the bracket as #1's?

If they committee was using Titan Q's concept, then Mt U would have been #4, not #3.

Lets see what UWW's football resume for the D III Football Committee......

UW-Whitewater Football - 6 consecutive WIAC Championships - five consecutive trips to the Amos Alonzo Stagg Bowl - 2007 & 2009 NCAA Division III National Championships - the nations current longest win streak (any division) - and a No. 2 seed in the 2010 Division III Playoffs, Priceless

Whitewater gets penalized because D III schools, particularly CCIW schools refuse to play the Warhawks.

Great playoff system NCAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yeah, it actually is a great system. They pay for 32 teams to play in the post-season for a division that brings them absolutely no revenue! It isn't perfect, but no way am I going to allow anyone to pretend it isn't great.

And your citing the results of previous years is just about pointless. This is 2010. Not only is UWW a different team, so are all the other 235 teams in DIII. Now, is UWW still the defending champs, sure they are. I happen to think they're the #1 team in the country as well. But that should have no bearing on this years playoffs. That is the kind of crap argument that matters in the BCS...it has no place in DIII. Or would you be in favor of just having the Stagg Bowl be like a FBS bowl...they just select the two teams they want to play for the title and everyone else gets no shot??

[Raider 68]

As a Raider former player, alum and supporter, I have great respect for the UWW program and consider UWW to be an elite program.

The bracket assignment this year attempts IMHO to make the purple vs. purple Stagg Bowl more difficult to achieve. While I get that, the NCAA has done UWW an injustice, but recognizing the results "this year". One just has to look at the NCAA stats, and UWW has earned the #1 seed overall.

Until the other D3 teams can on more than one occasion beat UWW and Mount Union, than the contrived seeding will not matter. Both teams win on the road and we will see at the end of the day,  who really stands in the way!

[Mr. Ypsi]

On subjective (i.e., perception) grounds, I haven't seen a single poster on ANY board arguing that UWW shouldn't have been a #1 seed.  BY THE CRITERIA for D3 (voted by the members, not imposed by some alien NCAA), NO ONE from UWW (or elsewhere) has explained how THIS year (prior years are not in the criteria) UWW is any more deserving of a #1 seed than are 10-0 St. Thomas or 10-0 NCC.

Rather than continuing the bitching session, perhaps someone could step up to the plate?

I, too, on subjective grounds was shocked that UWW was not a #1 seed, but by the member-voted criteria, why should they be?

Common opponents:
STU 27- UWRF 3
UWW 63- UWRF 14
NCC 20- UWEC 6
UWW 45- UWEC 0.

Those scores tell me everything I need to know... Thanks.... UW-W not getting a #1 seed is totally bogus...

That is really pretty sad if ONE common opponent's result (each for NCC and STU) tells you EVERYTHING you need to know.  You seem to have the intellectual curiosity of a rock.

[hazzben]

On subjective (i.e., perception) grounds, I haven't seen a single poster on ANY board arguing that UWW shouldn't have been a #1 seed.  BY THE CRITERIA for D3 (voted by the members, not imposed by some alien NCAA), NO ONE from UWW (or elsewhere) has explained how THIS year (prior years are not in the criteria) UWW is any more deserving of a #1 seed than are 10-0 St. Thomas or 10-0 NCC.

Rather than continuing the bitching session, perhaps someone could step up to the plate?

I, too, on subjective grounds was shocked that UWW was not a #1 seed, but by the member-voted criteria, why should they be?

Common opponents:
STU 27- UWRF 3
UWW 63- UWRF 14
NCC 20- UWEC 6
UWW 45- UWEC 0.

It's obvious that there's a huge difference in talent when UWW takes the field. We've destroyed our common opponents while these other two (more NCC than STU) are eeking out tough wins against them.

Also if you wanted another comparison with STU. 
UWW 45 UWEC 0
UWEC 23 SJU 20
SJU 26 STU 27

I am not a UWW fan by any means having graduated from a different WIAC school but i recognize that they are much better than at least 2 of the 1 seeds (STU and NCC in my honest opinion).  Couldn't believe that they were given a 2 seed.  Well hopefully they use it as motivation and represent the WIAC well.

Ahh, the exact science of comparing scores.

Common opponents:
UST 27- UWRF 3 *Played on Sept. 11
UWW 63- UWRF 14 * Played on Oct. 23
NCC 20- UWEC 6 *Played on Sept. 25
UWW 45- UWEC 0. * Played on Oct 16

No way either NCC or UST (Yes, it is UST, not STU!?!) improved at all during the course of the season 

And comparing the SJU, UST score by the connection of UWEC?!? Seriously...most unmerited form of argument in sports. We beat so and so by so much who beat so and so by so much so we will kill them! Right...and SJU and UST isn't a major rivalry game either. 2003 SJU won the national title and handled Mount Union in the Stagg, but an average UST took them right to the wire.

But I really do like the score comparison game:

UWSP 14- Willamette 33
Willamette 7- Linfield 35
Willamette 21 - PLU 24
UWSP 14 - UWW 27

I guess we can assume
1. Linfield is better than UWW. 
2- Linfield and PLU are better than the entire WIAC with the possible exception of UWW right. Oh yeah, score comparisons are hardly worth anything. Especially considering games played early in the year versus later in the year. But it was fun playing with y'all

[T_Unit14]

I love the people saying "we agree whitewater is the #1 team...BUT BY THE CRITERIA THEY USED..."

so simply stated you are admitting that they got it completely wrong and that it shouldn't have been that criteria used...correct?

and then we get the "WHAT DO PREVIOUS YEARS RESULTS MATTER?"

well because it has been proven that WW has been given seeds lower then #1 in previous years and have still gotten to the championship game based on the NCAA's crap criteria...maybe they should just get it right the first time and have a consistent criteria year in and year out...and if this is the criteria they used...how does NCC drop in the rankings?

also...what regional area are the people on the committee from?

[Goo 62]

Lets just be honest.  Purple vs Purple is what everyone was expecting and what everyone will get this year.  MTU and UWW can play all there games away and it wont matter.  They will still be playing each other in Salem.  MTU and UWW are head over heels above each team in all of D3. 

I can just say from experience that playing on the road in the playoffs is a unreal experience.  Hotels, flights and getting out of UWW for 3 or 4 days.  It is truly a great time. 

Naperville will be a great time, its a nice city and North Central has good facilities.  As for Delware well???