FB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[hazzben]

also...what regional area are the people on the committee from?

National committee is made up of the 2 co-chairs from each regional committee.

FWIW, I'd rather have to win the North (UWW) orEast (Mount Union) than the South or West this year. I think the latter is especially stacked this year.

But seriously, does anyone really see NCC coming out ahead of UWW? Didn't they lose early last time they were a #1??

[T_Unit14]

also...what regional area are the people on the committee from?

National committee is made up of the 2 co-chairs from each regional committee.

FWIW, I'd rather have to win the North (UWW) orEast (Mount Union) than the South or West this year. I think the latter is especially stacked this year.

But seriously, does anyone really see NCC coming out ahead of UWW? Didn't they lose early last time they were a #1??

the west is loaded every year it seems...I still don't understand the regional rankings when you have teams not playing in the actual region they were ranked though...whats the point of regional rankings then?

[Stagg Again!!]

ILGator, UMU has to fill 1 NC game a year - big deal. Whoever heard of Trine or NCC having to complain about schedule making? Trine? There are 8 schools north of your border willing & able to travel anywhere in the CCIW, anywhere, anytime. Put your money where your mouth is and lobby your favorite school to get it done. Common man, get real!!

Incorrect Bobo.  NCC had a very difficult time scheduling WIAC schools this past winter after the administration in the University of Wisconsin System questioned (of all things) NCC's ethical and moral standards after they defeated NP 83-7 on 10/10/09.  I find this ironic, of course, after the result at Camp Randall this past Saturday!  Just because fans want to see it, doesn't mean that the administration will make it happen.  Believe it or not UWW is not the only school that has had difficulty scheduling games.  The folks at Mount Union have struggled at times to find just one DIII out-of-conference game.

[hazzben]

I still don't understand the regional rankings when you have teams not playing in the actual region they were ranked though...whats the point of regional rankings then?

It has to do with DIII's member institution's committment to academics. By making regional games a playoff criteria, it promotes teams staying close to home, thereby cutting down on extended road trips and extended time outside of the classroom.

The regional rankings also give the selection committee a managable way of sorting through all the DIII teams. With 236 teams, if there weren't regional rankings, it would be decidely tougher to 'accurately' select the best teams.

[Mr. Ypsi]

ILGator, UMU has to fill 1 NC game a year - big deal. Whoever heard of Trine or NCC having to complain about schedule making? Trine? There are 8 schools north of your border willing & able to travel anywhere in the CCIW, anywhere, anytime. Put your money where your mouth is and lobby your favorite school to get it done. Common man, get real!!

Incorrect Bobo, NCC had a very difficult time scheduling WIAC schools this past winter after the administration in the University of Wisconsin System questioned NCC's ethical and moral standards after they defeated NP 83-7 on 10/10/09.  I find this ironic, of course, after the result at Camp Randall this past Saturday!  Just because fans want to see it, doesn't mean that the administration will make it happen.  Believe it or not UWW is not the only school that has had difficulty scheduling games.  The folks at Mount Union have struggled at times to find just one DIII out-of-conference game.

Bobo, Trine is in the MIAA.  The schools north of them are in Canada, which doesn't help your in-region status.

[John Gleich]

ILGator, UMU has to fill 1 NC game a year - big deal. Whoever heard of Trine or NCC having to complain about schedule making? Trine? There are 8 schools north of your border willing & able to travel anywhere in the CCIW, anywhere, anytime. Put your money where your mouth is and lobby your favorite school to get it done. Common man, get real!!

Incorrect Bobo, NCC had a very difficult time scheduling WIAC schools this past winter after the administration in the University of Wisconsin System questioned NCC's ethical and moral standards after they defeated NP 83-7 on 10/10/09.  I find this ironic, of course, after the result at Camp Randall this past Saturday!  Just because fans want to see it, doesn't mean that the administration will make it happen.  Believe it or not UWW is not the only school that has had difficulty scheduling games.  The folks at Mount Union have struggled at times to find just one DIII out-of-conference game.

Bobo, Trine is in the MIAA.  The schools north of them are in Canada, which doesn't help your in-region status.

Yes Trine is in the MIAA.  No, Trine is not in Michigan.

http://www.trine.edu/

The schools north of them are in their conference... but there are schools north of them.

[usee]

In fact ypsi is pretty much straight north of Trine!

[Mr. Ypsi]

Actually, I'm more east than north of them.

Yes, I've been to Angola a number of times (Pokagon State Park is very nice).  I'm well aware that Trine is in northeast Indiana (hence the former name of Tri-State, being within 20 miles of both Ohio and Michigan).  The ONLY non-MIAA d3 school north of them is Finlandia (which is northwest, and is starting football, but I'm not sure it is even up and running yet).

Basically, you go north from Trine and you hit schools they already play (all northwest), plus Canada.

[Pat Coleman]

ILGator, UMU has to fill 1 NC game a year - big deal. Whoever heard of Trine or NCC having to complain about schedule making? Trine? There are 8 schools north of your border willing & able to travel anywhere in the CCIW, anywhere, anytime. Put your money where your mouth is and lobby your favorite school to get it done. Common man, get real!!

Incorrect Bobo.  NCC had a very difficult time scheduling WIAC schools this past winter after the administration in the University of Wisconsin System questioned (of all things) NCC's ethical and moral standards after they defeated NP 83-7 on 10/10/09.  I find this ironic, of course, after the result at Camp Randall this past Saturday!  Just because fans want to see it, doesn't mean that the administration will make it happen.  Believe it or not UWW is not the only school that has had difficulty scheduling games.  The folks at Mount Union have struggled at times to find just one DIII out-of-conference game.

You find it ironic. I find it dubious.

[BoBo]

I still don't understand the regional rankings when you have teams not playing in the actual region they were ranked though...whats the point of regional rankings then?

It has to do with DIII's member institution's committment to academics. By making regional games a playoff criteria, it promotes teams staying close to home, thereby cutting down on extended road trips and extended time outside of the classroom.

The regional rankings also give the selection committee a managable way of sorting through all the DIII teams. With 236 teams, if there weren't regional rankings, it would be decidely tougher to 'accurately' select the best teams.

They seem to have an equally difficult time 'accurately' selecting the best teams with regional rankings.   

Does the NCAA really have to promote teams staying close to home to play games? Any fiscally responsible school has the ability to do that all on their own...it's called a budget. So, are you saying that if regional games were not a playoff criteria, we would have DIII schools flying all over the country playing games? I think not. The only ones flying all over the country would be WIAC, ASC, NWC, SCIAC and the independents - in otherwords, the same ones doing it today.

[BoBo]

ILGator, UMU has to fill 1 NC game a year - big deal. Whoever heard of Trine or NCC having to complain about schedule making? Trine? There are 8 schools north of your border willing & able to travel anywhere in the CCIW, anywhere, anytime. Put your money where your mouth is and lobby your favorite school to get it done. Common man, get real!!

Incorrect Bobo, NCC had a very difficult time scheduling WIAC schools this past winter after the administration in the University of Wisconsin System questioned NCC's ethical and moral standards after they defeated NP 83-7 on 10/10/09.  I find this ironic, of course, after the result at Camp Randall this past Saturday!  Just because fans want to see it, doesn't mean that the administration will make it happen.  Believe it or not UWW is not the only school that has had difficulty scheduling games.  The folks at Mount Union have struggled at times to find just one DIII out-of-conference game.

Bobo, Trine is in the MIAA.  The schools north of them are in Canada, which doesn't help your in-region status.

I'm well aware of where Trine or Tri-State is, Ypsi. UWW 38 @ Tri-State 0 on 9/27 2003. Since I was making a comment to Stagg or Bust, a CCIW fan, north of his/her border (that is north of Carthage) is (the rest of) Wisconsin, home to the WIAC. Comprende? 

And, as for your comments S or B - Mr. Coleman called them dubious - totally agree, highly suspect!!

Bust - the next time NCC, Trine, or any of your other friendly institutions has to schedule one of their conference foes or travel to the west coast, Dakota's, Missouri, Tennessee, Kentucky, Texas, Alabama, or Florida (just to name some of the states WIAC schools have traveled recently) to play a game vs a DIII school, but most likely an NAIA school, let me know - until then you don't know what it's like to have scheduling difficulties. BTW, never said it was only UWW having the trouble - it's the whole WIAC, ASC and those on the west coast.

[Warhawk 96]

ILGator, UMU has to fill 1 NC game a year - big deal. Whoever heard of Trine or NCC having to complain about schedule making? Trine? There are 8 schools north of your border willing & able to travel anywhere in the CCIW, anywhere, anytime. Put your money where your mouth is and lobby your favorite school to get it done. Common man, get real!!

Incorrect Bobo.  NCC had a very difficult time scheduling WIAC schools this past winter after the administration in the University of Wisconsin System questioned (of all things) NCC's ethical and moral standards after they defeated NP 83-7 on 10/10/09.  I find this ironic, of course, after the result at Camp Randall this past Saturday!  Just because fans want to see it, doesn't mean that the administration will make it happen.  Believe it or not UWW is not the only school that has had difficulty scheduling games.  The folks at Mount Union have struggled at times to find just one DIII out-of-conference game.

Haha! Is that what you guys are telling yourselves? (seriously laughing so hard at that statement right now). Whatever helps you sleep at night and helps you jusitfy your attempt to find the poorest non-conference schedule possible. You do realize that you DID play a WIAC school right? Barely beat them on their down year but you did play one. In fact, I don't think it's any coincidence that you scheduled the worst team in three different leagues this year. All the University system said to their WIAC scholls was to schedule people close to your institution because they don't want to pay for traveling. I doubt that the score of your North park game ever mattered. We schedule our own games and we definitely aren't ducking competition in our league. Just ask Oshkosh, one of the few teams who had the guts to play Mount Union in non-conference play. But seriously, thanks for the laugh .

[DBQ1965]

Is there a stronger bracket top-to-bottom this year than the West?

[badgerwarhawk]

Pat, isn't it true that the selection committee has varied from their listed critera to slot schools and seedings in the past?  So what is different about this year?  

I'm over the slight.  I don't care if we have to travel to Timbucktoo to play.  The decisons have been made.  They're final and there's no changing them so let's just get it on.  But I'm confused by the selection committee's rigid adherence to their critera when they've had no problem deviating from it in the past.  Or am I way off base on this?  

[02 Warhawk]

Is there a stronger bracket top-to-bottom this year than the West?

I think the West is the only bracket where you can make a very strong point where the number 5 seed can make it out of there.....I think the West is the strongest.