FB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[02 Warhawk]

How many times a year do we see posters like this  

Isn't the answer really to make that WIAC play at a level that better reflects its enrollments? Whitewater's undergrad enrollment (and LaCrosse's and Eau Claire's . . . ) is within a stone's throw of 10,000! Compare that to the enrollments of the other D3 schools in the 32. Indeed, there are entire CONFERENCES of schools playing DIVISION 1 football with smaller enrollments (Patriot League, Pioneer League, Ivy League). Meanwhile, ALL of our neighboring states (Minnesota, Iowa, Illinois, and Michigan) play their non-flagship state universities at D1 or D2 (so much for the sad songs about scholarship funds). Indeed, name me ANOTHER state where ALL the state extensions play in Division 3. But--all hail, mighty WIAC! Right.  IMHO--and as a Wisconsin resident, I might add--pound for pound, the WIAC is a freaking joke.

I wonder if he'll be pulling for Whitewater this saturday  

I can loosely translate this language. : Waaaaah, waaaaaaahh, waaaaaaaah, waaaaaaaaaah.

Why so flippant, Warhawk 96?
He asks a legitimate question. Back in the days of the WSUC, there were similar thoughts made about the conference playing in the NAIA. And then the schools went to D3.

Check out the enrollments for UMD and Delta State University, which are playing for a D2 title on Saturday, and see where the bigger schools, such as UWEC, UWL, and WW, fit in with that mix.

Why is it so difficult to think that the WIAC might not be better suited for D2, based on enrollments?

On the flip side, one can come back with: So is it difficult to think that Notre Dame football is better suited for DIII, based on its enrollment?

And what conference does Notre Dame football play in? Seems to me it is a private school, with no conference affiliation, which chooses to play D1?

Ok, well that's different...I thought we were basing this discussion purely on size of enrollment.

[Kira & Jaxon's Dad]

I may be wrong on this however I believe that the Ohio Athletic conference has a rule that the coaches are not allowed to do any off campus recruiting visiting high schools, or home visits. They are allowed to go to college fairs and things like that but not go to schools like the WIAC is. I remember the head coach from Ohio Northern telling me this. If it's true then the recruiting is harder then ever as you have to constantly be on the phone with recruits and convince them to come visit campus. Of course with Mount Union it's a little easy as they can point to their success over the last ten or fifthteen years of  normally playing in the stagg bowl.
Like I said I may be wrong on this so hopfully one of the Mt. Union posters can confirm this if then know. Either way not being able to go off campus to recruit in high schools as well as homes of potential student athletes homes is a disadvantage.

I think they changed that rule a few years ago.  Coaches are now allowed to recruit off campus.

[warhawkguard]

Warhawkguard--It's my understanding, from one of the people on the selection committee, that Lax has not even opened their position to candidates yet. That gives RF a leg up on them, I would think.

It takes two years to totally appreciate the "UWRF/City of RF Relative Worth." Obviously, you left a year too early! (Said in response to the implied disparagement of the city in comparison to LaCrosse.)

Go Hawks! Or, at least I think I'll be happier if they win. But wouldn't a MU win make VK an even greater asset if he eventually gets hired. I'm conflicted.

I didn't want to leave, but UWRF looked at me with blank stares when I needed to get some loans to stay in school. Coach Foley said he couldn't do anything. I joined the army to get the GI Bill. Several years later after we beat UWRF badly at the Perk, the coach pulled me aside and was dismayed that I went to play as a Warhawk.  Seemed like I made the best choice. RF is a nice town, but too far from home. I was there the hocket team won the D3 title and they opened the new indoor track. The football team played in rags though. Dinkel was a senior guard that year. One of my best friends ever was Glen Woychik, a defensive lineman. However, LaX is a waaaaaaaaaaay nicer city by any measure. It has a Hooters!

[Warhawk 96]

How many times a year do we see posters like this  

Isn't the answer really to make that WIAC play at a level that better reflects its enrollments? Whitewater's undergrad enrollment (and LaCrosse's and Eau Claire's . . . ) is within a stone's throw of 10,000! Compare that to the enrollments of the other D3 schools in the 32. Indeed, there are entire CONFERENCES of schools playing DIVISION 1 football with smaller enrollments (Patriot League, Pioneer League, Ivy League). Meanwhile, ALL of our neighboring states (Minnesota, Iowa, Illinois, and Michigan) play their non-flagship state universities at D1 or D2 (so much for the sad songs about scholarship funds). Indeed, name me ANOTHER state where ALL the state extensions play in Division 3. But--all hail, mighty WIAC! Right.  IMHO--and as a Wisconsin resident, I might add--pound for pound, the WIAC is a freaking joke.

I wonder if he'll be pulling for Whitewater this saturday  

I can loosely translate this language. : Waaaaah, waaaaaaahh, waaaaaaaah, waaaaaaaaaah.

Why so flippant, Warhawk 96?
He asks a legitimate question. Back in the days of the WSUC, there were similar thoughts made about the conference playing in the NAIA. And then the schools went to D3.

Check out the enrollments for UMD and Delta State University, which are playing for a D2 title on Saturday, and see where the bigger schools, such as UWEC, UWL, and WW, fit in with that mix.

Why is it so difficult to think that the WIAC might not be better suited for D2, based on enrollments?

Quite honestly, the way he said it especially with the part about "the WIAC is a freaking joke" is why I'm so dismissive of this and I don't go out of my way to sugar coat it. It sounds like the same people crying about it not being fair for us to be in the same division as them. It was okay until we started winning. It's not difficult to think that the WIAC might be better suited for D2. If the question was asked differently it would have elicited a different response but the way he asked it he sounds like just another crybaby.

[Warhawk 96]

In regards to the whole D2 vs D3 debate, as long as we adhere to the same rules that the NCAA gives us for operating a division 3 school there shouldn't be any problems. If we want to offer an opportunity for everyone who has the ability can receive a quality college education then that's our prerogative. If they want to place an emphasis on the smaller college experience and consequently put the price of college higher than most people can afford then that's their prerogative. It's the choice that they made to have the institution that they want. Personally, I don't think that the amount of money that you have as an 18 year old should determine how far you can go educationally.

[02 Warhawk]

Article on Lane Olson from the Journal Times

[warhawkguard]

Hey 96, I sent you a PM.

[02 Warhawk]

In regards to the whole D2 vs D3 debate, as long as we adhere to the same rules that the NCAA gives us for operating a division 3 school there shouldn't be any problems. If we want to offer an opportunity for everyone who has the ability can receive a quality college education then that's our prerogative. If they want to place an emphasis on the smaller college experience and consequently put the price of college higher than most people can afford then that's their prerogative. It's the choice that they made to have the institution that they want. Personally, I don't think that the amount of money that you have as an 18 year old should determine how far you can go educationally.

+K, Great point W96.

[fredfalcon]

 However, LaX is a waaaaaaaaaaay nicer city by any measure. It has a Hooters!
[/quote]

Warhawkguard--You got me there!

I just attended the first of 5 open forums featuring the finalists for the Falcon coaching position. Today it was Aaron Vicko, Offensive Coordinator and QB coach at Stevens Point. It will be extremely difficult to do better than he did today before an audience of players, faculty members and a few general public types. That opinion was shared by all who sat near me. If a successful  public interview translates into success as a football coach, he would be a great choice.

I plan to make all five interviews. Tomorrow is Matt Butler, assistant coach at Butler U., and former head coach at DePauw U.

[WarhawkDad]

Article on Lane Olson from the Journal Times

Great article and so true.  Thanks for sharing it.

[WarhawkDad]

In regards to the whole D2 vs D3 debate, as long as we adhere to the same rules that the NCAA gives us for operating a division 3 school there shouldn't be any problems. If we want to offer an opportunity for everyone who has the ability can receive a quality college education then that's our prerogative. If they want to place an emphasis on the smaller college experience and consequently put the price of college higher than most people can afford then that's their prerogative. It's the choice that they made to have the institution that they want. Personally, I don't think that the amount of money that you have as an 18 year old should determine how far you can go educationally.

I agree with this post, but I want to add that you can not evaluate the whole Division III philosophy by just talking about enrollment.   The non-scholarship aspect is huge.  How many athletes coming out of high school would turn down a scholarship to go to a DI or DII school.   Not many I can think of.  So they drop down to DIII, then they have to ask themselves do I want to actually play football in college, without a scholarship, given it is a huge impact on time, potentially on grades, it does raise the cost of attendance for shoes, equipment, travel, meals, etc..... or maybe I do not play.   When they decide they want to continuing playing the game, they do it for the love of the game, the love of competition and the desire to excel athletically and be a champion.  So from my perspective the entire DIII philosophy can not be measured by enrollment.  Anyone who thinks so, is truly uninformed and I mean that in the nicest  way possible.  

[HScoach]

With the ability level of some of our younger guys I think that we'll be faster next year on both sides of the ball. It's hard to get players like Garcon, Shorts, or even Knapp who seems to have been forgotten in the discussion. I too would like to know how Mt. Union is able to have an absolute monster at WR every year. I heard a rumor that Mt. Union's recruiting area is rather expansive so maybe that has a bigger role in the process than we give it credit for. If UWW wants to send me to Florida to "recruit" I'd be more than happy to oblige  

Shorts and Knapp are both NE Ohio guys--and Shorts came here because he wanted to play quarterback--and he wasn't all that happy about switching to WR at first.  And, if you want to see a monster, wait until you get a look at Kyle Miller (6'6", 265 lbs.), our TE who has been lining up as a wide out in the last two games.

Like Shorts, Miller also came to Mount as a QB.

[1_For_27]

Anyone interested in watching the game on the North side of Chicago?  Please message me. I am in talks with a few establishments, setting up a drink deal, for the game. 2:30 to 6 for $30 all you can drink. 

Go Hawks

[bulk19]

Update on UWSP's Jared Jenkins, who has drawn attention from 30 of the 32 NFL teams...

http://www.stevenspointjournal.com/article/20101214/SPJ02/12140581/Pointers-Plus-Is-Jenkins-an-NFL-catch-

[bulk19]

With six of seven fall sports completed, UW-Oshkosh comes in at 9, UWSP at 16, Platteville at 21 and UWEC 24; these teams make the Top 25 for 2010-11 Learfield Sports Directors' Cup Standings...

Final fall results will be tallied by Dec. 23. I guess there's some ffootball game to be played Saturday that will have an impact on the final fall standings... 

http://athletics.uwsp.edu/documents/2010/12/14/DIII_Full_Release_for_Dec_9.pdf?id=879