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[Gig Harbor Cat]

413 Congrats to the Warhawks.  Enjoy the ride !!

Phone it in,

Gig Harbor Cat

[footballfan413]

413 Congrats to the Warhawks.  Enjoy the ride !!

Phone it in,

Gig Harbor Cat

Much thanks, GHC     I am..............

[skunks_sidekick]

(Best Dean Wermer voice....)

I really HATE those guys...........

[02 Warhawk]

I love the first two paragraphs of D3footall.com's Stagg Bowl article:

SALEM, Va. -- From downfield, all that was visible was a wall of black-clad Mount Union defenders, an imposing sight that seemed to box in the UW-Whitewater rushing attack.

But then, the white No. 33 jersey broke through. Over the course of 75 yards, the gap between him and his opponents lengthened. There was no catching Levell Coppage.

[Kira & Jaxon's Dad]

OK, I'll start the 2011 talk. 

Both MTU and UWW are going to have to make some big decisions at QB.   

Brekke is a Soph and Blanchard a Jr. right?

Piloto and Seaman are both Soph.

[badgerwarhawk]

Blanchard will go into fall practice as the starting quarterback and it will be his position to lose.

Jaypeter, his name could very well be Pirtle.   

[New Tradition]

After today I think we can clearly say that the top 4 is:

1. UWW
2. UMU
3. NCC (Yes three, not two, UMU is clearly better)
4. Wesley (weakest of the four on both sides of the ball)

cleary better???....NCC vs. UMU would be a great game....i still think NCC was the toughest game we had...

you still have to take into account that for the most part NCC was at full strength in that game while both WW and UMU were battling injuries at the most key positions at the end of the playoffs...you can not base the talent of Mount as a whole based on their performance today...not without Seaman at QB it just isn't fair...same with the fact people said throughout the playoffs that WW's offense wasn't that great but would fail to mention we were starting our #2 QB as well...

That's true if you count Spencer Stanek as NCC's first string QB; however, many would not.  Brad Crackel was the signal caller all the way until the Elmhurst game, but suffered some broken ribs against Elmhurst in week 9 and was unable to compete for a few games.  In many ways, it was very similar to Whitewater's situation with Brekke.  Crackel was ready to go by the time NCC and Whitewater squared off, but Stanek had already won 4 games (the same number Brekke had won when Whitewater took on UMU).  Both coaching staffs made similar decisions: to stick with the QB that got them there.  But to say that NCC was full strength going into the game against Whitewater would be the same as saying that Whitewater was full strength at the Stagg Bowl.

[badgerwarhawk]

Great time at the Mad Boar. Lots of U Dub Dub chants and tons of cheering, capped off by playing "we are the champions" at the end! 

The same can be said of the crowd at Saxes except when it was over a loud KABOOM was heard.

[New Tradition]

After today I think we can clearly say that the top 4 is:

1. UWW
2. UMU
3. NCC (Yes three, not two, UMU is clearly better)
4. Wesley (weakest of the four on both sides of the ball)

I'm not sure how you can say that UMU was clearly better when the Warhawks didn't have their first lead of the game until the 4th quarter in Naperville, while the Purple Raiders led for a grand total of 6:54 in their game against the Warhawks.

[Kira & Jaxon's Dad]

After today I think we can clearly say that the top 4 is:

1. UWW
2. UMU
3. NCC (Yes three, not two, UMU is clearly better)
4. Wesley (weakest of the four on both sides of the ball)

cleary better???....NCC vs. UMU would be a great game....i still think NCC was the toughest game we had...

you still have to take into account that for the most part NCC was at full strength in that game while both WW and UMU were battling injuries at the most key positions at the end of the playoffs...you can not base the talent of Mount as a whole based on their performance today...not without Seaman at QB it just isn't fair...same with the fact people said throughout the playoffs that WW's offense wasn't that great but would fail to mention we were starting our #2 QB as well...

That’s true if you count Spencer Stanek as NCC’s first string QB; however, many would not.  Brad Crackel was the signal caller all the way until the Elmhurst game, but suffered some broken ribs against Elmhurst in week 9 and was unable to compete for a few games.  In many ways, it was very similar to Whitewater’s situation with Brekke.  Crackel was ready to go by the time NCC and Whitewater squared off, but Stanek had already won 4 games (the same number Brekke had won when Whitewater took on UMU).  Both coaching staffs made similar decisions: to stick with the QB that got them there.  But to say that NCC was full strength going into the game against Whitewater would be the same as saying that Whitewater was full strength at the Stagg Bowl.

MTU was also down two OL in the Stagg Bowl.  Don't know if it would have helped much, but that goes with playing football.  The next guy has to step up.

Also, unless you can line up a NCC vs. MTU game this week to settle it on the field, IMO MTU is #2.

[Raider 68]

02 Warhawk,

2011 question; How many starters return for UWW in 2011? I thought about 12-13.  Mount returns 16, but the 6 they lose are good ones!

[New Tradition]

After today I think we can clearly say that the top 4 is:

1. UWW
2. UMU
3. NCC (Yes three, not two, UMU is clearly better)
4. Wesley (weakest of the four on both sides of the ball)

cleary better???....NCC vs. UMU would be a great game....i still think NCC was the toughest game we had...

you still have to take into account that for the most part NCC was at full strength in that game while both WW and UMU were battling injuries at the most key positions at the end of the playoffs...you can not base the talent of Mount as a whole based on their performance today...not without Seaman at QB it just isn't fair...same with the fact people said throughout the playoffs that WW's offense wasn't that great but would fail to mention we were starting our #2 QB as well...

That's true if you count Spencer Stanek as NCC's first string QB; however, many would not.  Brad Crackel was the signal caller all the way until the Elmhurst game, but suffered some broken ribs against Elmhurst in week 9 and was unable to compete for a few games.  In many ways, it was very similar to Whitewater's situation with Brekke.  Crackel was ready to go by the time NCC and Whitewater squared off, but Stanek had already won 4 games (the same number Brekke had won when Whitewater took on UMU).  Both coaching staffs made similar decisions: to stick with the QB that got them there.  But to say that NCC was full strength going into the game against Whitewater would be the same as saying that Whitewater was full strength at the Stagg Bowl.

MTU was also down two OL in the Stagg Bowl.  Don't know if it would have helped much, but that goes with playing football.  The next guy has to step up.

Also, unless you can line up a NCC vs. MTU game this week to settle it on the field, IMO MTU is #2.

Please don't misunderstand.  I'm not stating that NCC is a clear #2.  I'm just making a case that they COULD be the second best team in the nation, not "clearly" the inferior of MTU, as MasterJedi stated and TUnit implied.  Then, I simply presented some facts stats to make my case.  I agree that we will never know for certain since we can't line them up, so all we can do is look at common opponents and speculate.  As far as injuries go, I think it becomes far more abstract if you try to figure in what teams would have done with healthy players.  What's your rationale for MTU's #2 other than bracket shakedown?  Any telling stats you could point to with our common opponent?  (Turnover ratio jumps out at me, but I can't think of any others off the top of my head).  I'm not trying to be snarky or beat my chest, just musing and reflecting on the season.  As far as the D3 top 25 is concerned, I'm positive that MTU will be #2 (and should be until someone other than UWW beats them), but I'm not convinced that they were CLEARLY the second best team in the country.  I would have loved to have seen them play.  It would have been a fantastic game, IMO.

[Brian Carroll]

Once again, I offer congrats to Voice, BadgerWarhawk, et. al. on yet another title. As you grasp the walnut and bronze trophy, I urge you to remember what your mothers said: "Put that thing down, and give someone else a chance." Again, my sincere congrats to you.

[T_Unit14]

After today I think we can clearly say that the top 4 is:

1. UWW
2. UMU
3. NCC (Yes three, not two, UMU is clearly better)
4. Wesley (weakest of the four on both sides of the ball)

cleary better???....NCC vs. UMU would be a great game....i still think NCC was the toughest game we had...

you still have to take into account that for the most part NCC was at full strength in that game while both WW and UMU were battling injuries at the most key positions at the end of the playoffs...you can not base the talent of Mount as a whole based on their performance today...not without Seaman at QB it just isn't fair...same with the fact people said throughout the playoffs that WW's offense wasn't that great but would fail to mention we were starting our #2 QB as well...

That's true if you count Spencer Stanek as NCC's first string QB; however, many would not.  Brad Crackel was the signal caller all the way until the Elmhurst game, but suffered some broken ribs against Elmhurst in week 9 and was unable to compete for a few games.  In many ways, it was very similar to Whitewater's situation with Brekke.  Crackel was ready to go by the time NCC and Whitewater squared off, but Stanek had already won 4 games (the same number Brekke had won when Whitewater took on UMU).  Both coaching staffs made similar decisions: to stick with the QB that got them there.  But to say that NCC was full strength going into the game against Whitewater would be the same as saying that Whitewater was full strength at the Stagg Bowl.

MTU was also down two OL in the Stagg Bowl.  Don't know if it would have helped much, but that goes with playing football.  The next guy has to step up.

Also, unless you can line up a NCC vs. MTU game this week to settle it on the field, IMO MTU is #2.

Please don't misunderstand.  I'm not stating that NCC is a clear #2.  I'm just making a case that they COULD be the second best team in the nation, not "clearly" the inferior of MTU, as MasterJedi stated and TUnit implied.  Then, I simply presented some facts stats to make my case.  I agree that we will never know for certain since we can't line them up, so all we can do is look at common opponents and speculate.  As far as injuries go, I think it becomes far more abstract if you try to figure in what teams would have done with healthy players.  What's your rationale for MTU's #2 other than bracket shakedown?  Any telling stats you could point to with our common opponent?  (Turnover ratio jumps out at me, but I can't think of any others off the top of my head).  I'm not trying to be snarky or beat my chest, just musing and reflecting on the season.  As far as the D3 top 25 is concerned, I'm positive that MTU will be #2 (and should be until someone other than UWW beats them), but I'm not convinced that they were CLEARLY the second best team in the country.  I would have loved to have seen them play.  It would have been a fantastic game, IMO.

I implied nothing at all...I simply stated that don't judge mount union as a team and as a program off of that one game because they, like WW, were missing their QB's

how in any way did I imply what you are accusing me of?  I have nothin but respect for NCC and I clearly stated they are no WORSE then #3...what am I implying by saying that?

[New Tradition]

After today I think we can clearly say that the top 4 is:

1. UWW
2. UMU
3. NCC (Yes three, not two, UMU is clearly better)
4. Wesley (weakest of the four on both sides of the ball)

cleary better???....NCC vs. UMU would be a great game....i still think NCC was the toughest game we had...

you still have to take into account that for the most part NCC was at full strength in that game while both WW and UMU were battling injuries at the most key positions at the end of the playoffs...you can not base the talent of Mount as a whole based on their performance today...not without Seaman at QB it just isn't fair...same with the fact people said throughout the playoffs that WW's offense wasn't that great but would fail to mention we were starting our #2 QB as well...

That's true if you count Spencer Stanek as NCC's first string QB; however, many would not.  Brad Crackel was the signal caller all the way until the Elmhurst game, but suffered some broken ribs against Elmhurst in week 9 and was unable to compete for a few games.  In many ways, it was very similar to Whitewater's situation with Brekke.  Crackel was ready to go by the time NCC and Whitewater squared off, but Stanek had already won 4 games (the same number Brekke had won when Whitewater took on UMU).  Both coaching staffs made similar decisions: to stick with the QB that got them there.  But to say that NCC was full strength going into the game against Whitewater would be the same as saying that Whitewater was full strength at the Stagg Bowl.

MTU was also down two OL in the Stagg Bowl.  Don't know if it would have helped much, but that goes with playing football.  The next guy has to step up.

Also, unless you can line up a NCC vs. MTU game this week to settle it on the field, IMO MTU is #2.

Please don't misunderstand.  I'm not stating that NCC is a clear #2.  I'm just making a case that they COULD be the second best team in the nation, not "clearly" the inferior of MTU, as MasterJedi stated and TUnit implied.  Then, I simply presented some facts stats to make my case.  I agree that we will never know for certain since we can't line them up, so all we can do is look at common opponents and speculate.  As far as injuries go, I think it becomes far more abstract if you try to figure in what teams would have done with healthy players.  What's your rationale for MTU's #2 other than bracket shakedown?  Any telling stats you could point to with our common opponent?  (Turnover ratio jumps out at me, but I can't think of any others off the top of my head).  I'm not trying to be snarky or beat my chest, just musing and reflecting on the season.  As far as the D3 top 25 is concerned, I'm positive that MTU will be #2 (and should be until someone other than UWW beats them), but I'm not convinced that they were CLEARLY the second best team in the country.  I would have loved to have seen them play.  It would have been a fantastic game, IMO.

I implied nothing at all...I simply stated that don't judge mount union as a team and as a program off of that one game because they, like WW, were missing their QB's

how in any way did I imply what you are accusing me of?  I have nothin but respect for NCC and I clearly stated they are no WORSE then #3...what am I implying by saying that?

You are correct.  I'm sorry for including you on that.