FB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[BoBo]

Here:

http://www.usafootball.com/news/press-box/2011-us-mens-national-team-football-selected-ifaf-senior-world-championship-austria

Funny how they selected a Defensive Line coach to be Team USA's Tight Ends coach. 

Funnier yet, there's only 1 TE on the roster (#88) - he'll get plenty of individual attention!!  Is a TE coach really that necessary?

[warhawkbabe]

Mount never having the best SOS among unbeatens in the North but still getting the #1 seed year after year while 2010 Warhawks did not receive the same courtesy being given the #2 seed in the 4th region
I lovew the warhawks but when we become as dominant in D3Football like Mount Union has 10 titles and winning 101 of 102 games like they did at one point back when WW first played them mayb e WW will get the #1 seed. No matter what. I was at a clinic this february where the north central coaches said they should have beaten WW,and I laughed. As they had there chance and failed.

[BoBo]

I was at a clinic this february where the north central coaches said they should have beaten WW,and I laughed. As they had there chance and failed.

I would think that might be expected!! 

[badgerwarhawk]

should of, would of, could of....didn't

[warhawkbabe]

My rthoughts exactly badgerwarhawk.

[BoBo]

". . . just one more thing. . . "



R.I.P. Peter Falk & Lt. Columbo

One of my all time favorites

[Raider 68]

". . . just one more thing. . . "



R.I.P. Peter Falk & Lt. Columbo

One of my all time favorites

Mine as well!

[hazzben]

I was at a clinic this february where the north central coaches said they should have beaten WW,and I laughed. As they had there chance and failed.

I would think that might be expected!! 

I'd agree, this is exactly how you begin to build a championship mentality in your program. Yeah, coulda, shoulda, woulda...to an extent. UWW won the game and the eventual Nat'l Championship. They're the champs. But this didn't happen in a vacuum. UWW had to overcome the Mount roadblock first. And I've got to think, part of overcoming that is looking back at their initial failures and seeing what they should have done, not what they couldn't do.

06: We should have played them closer. We were better than we played, but didn't prove it on the field for reasons x, y and z.
07: We should have played them closer and could have beaten them, but didn't prove it on the field for reasons x, y and z.
08: We should have beaten them, but didn't prove it on the field for reasons x, y and z.
09/10: We should have beaten them, and we did prove it on the field, for reasons x, y and z.

There's a way to view defeat and grow from it that prepares you to succeed the next time. Saying shoulda/coulda/woulda and making a bunch of excuses is not the way to do it. But I think it's totally legitimate to say coulda/shoulda and we can beat them if we execute x, y and z next time that is necessary to becoming a champion. You can do the latter without taking away from or disrespecting the fact that the other team was still victorious. And I think you need to.

A team that goes into a game thinking, we might or could beat our opponent is waiting for the other team to let them win. A team that goes into a game thinking we could and should beat our opponent is ready to actually win the game themselves.

I'm not close to the UWW program, but I've got to think they viewed those early losses in something akin to this line of thining. If you don't, you'll never get the mental edge of a champion. And I don't know if the NCC coaches were saying should have and making a bunch of excuses. But there's definitely a way to own up to defeat without conceding you had no chance to win in the first place.

[Bird Dog]

Are WIAC coaches and inparticular UWW coaches and maybe players not that bright?  They lost because of x,y, and z five years in a row?  They couldn't fix x.y. and z.  If they had lost by x,y, and z the first year and a, b, and c the next year and cut it down to e and f the third year that would have been progress. 

Now for the real reason I chimed in Peter Falk in the Inlaws is one of the funniest movies ever made.  It is too bad someone (Michael Douglas) had to get involved in a remake.  RIP

[hazzben]

Are WIAC coaches and inparticular UWW coaches and maybe players not that bright?  They lost because of x,y, and z five years in a row?  They couldn't fix x.y. and z.  If they had lost by x,y, and z the first year and a, b, and c the next year and cut it down to e and f the third year that would have been progress. 

Hmmmmm, this would assume x, y and z were the same each year. In case it wasn't clear, x, y and z are variables in 5 different equations. So no, it's not implying WIAC/UWW coaches and players are dumb, but other people (I'm certainly not implying anything by this statement  ) might be.

And by the way, they didn't lose 5 years in a row. This alone would imply that the variables are...wait for it...variables and changing in each subsequent scenario.

Nothing about that post implies stupidity on the part of UWW or the WIAC. Quite the opposite, it argues the UWW coaches and players were intelligent enough to learn from defeat and develop the mental edge it took to become champions.

Let me know if that's still not clear enough for you. I tried avoid large and obscure words...

[Bird Dog]

Excuse me, I thought that you were using them as the same variables, they appeared to be in related sets.  The schools I went to would use different letters for different variables to eliminate the confussion.  Come to think about it the algebra problems in the book my children used in Jr. High changed the variables every problem and didn't repeat them for four or five problems to eliminate confusion.  Surely a man a bright as yourself could see how this could be misconstrued.  I didn't have the benefit of going to a DIII college.  I was stuck in a DI school with large classes because we had a couple of thousand more students than UWW.  Again I apologize for not understanding what you were trying to say.

[badgerwarhawk]

07: We should have played them closer and could have beaten them, but didn't prove it on the field for reasons x, y and z.

We didn't lose to them in 2007.
12/15/2007
WARHAWKS 31
Raiders 21


Regardless I understand the main point of your post and agree.  FWIW I meant no disrespect towards the NCC staff I just find it meaningless when someone, after the fact,  says we should have beaten someone that in fact they didn't. 

[voice]

Now retired from broadcasting UW-Whitewater football games I've been spending the summer listening back to tapes of my broadcasts. I'll be the first to admit that I made some asinine calls over my 24 years calling Hawk football.  I only wish I would have had the foresight to make a call like "Voice" of the Indianapolis Colts play-by-play announcer Bob Lamey's made - "He fumbled the frickin' football" call when Colts running back Dominic Rhodes fumbled at the goal line with the Colts going in for the 4th quarter go ahead touchdown against the New England Patriots in 2007 AFC Championship Game

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s8CstXF7rc8

[kubiack78]

Now retired from broadcasting UW-Whitewater football games I've been spending the summer listening back to tapes of my broadcasts. I'll be the first to admit that I made some asinine calls over my 24 years calling Hawk football.  I only wish I would have had the foresight to make a call like "Voice" of the Indianapolis Colts play-by-play announcer Bob Lamey's made - "He fumbled the frickin' football" call when Colts running back Dominic Rhodes fumbled at the goal line with the Colts going in for the 4th quarter go ahead touchdown against the New England Patriots in 2007 AFC Championship Game

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s8CstXF7rc8

Voice,
I know that you have been doing  Warhawk football broadcasts since I was a freshman there (1988).  Do you still have copies of those broadcast's from back then?  If so Please PM me. 

[02 Warhawk]

I was at a clinic this february where the north central coaches said they should have beaten WW,and I laughed. As they had there chance and failed.

I would think that might be expected!!  

I'd agree, this is exactly how you begin to build a championship mentality in your program. Yeah, coulda, shoulda, woulda...to an extent. UWW won the game and the eventual Nat'l Championship. They're the champs. But this didn't happen in a vacuum. UWW had to overcome the Mount roadblock first. And I've got to think, part of overcoming that is looking back at their initial failures and seeing what they should have done, not what they couldn't do.

06: We should have played them closer. We were better than we played, but didn't prove it on the field for reasons x, y and z.
07: We should have played them closer and could have beaten them, but didn't prove it on the field for reasons x, y and z.
08: We should have beaten them, but didn't prove it on the field for reasons x, y and z.
09/10: We should have beaten them, and we did prove it on the field, for reasons x, y and z.

There's a way to view defeat and grow from it that prepares you to succeed the next time. Saying shoulda/coulda/woulda and making a bunch of excuses is not the way to do it. But I think it's totally legitimate to say coulda/shoulda and we can beat them if we execute x, y and z next time that is necessary to becoming a champion. You can do the latter without taking away from or disrespecting the fact that the other team was still victorious. And I think you need to.

A team that goes into a game thinking, we might or could beat our opponent is waiting for the other team to let them win. A team that goes into a game thinking we could and should beat our opponent is ready to actually win the game themselves.

I'm not close to the UWW program, but I've got to think they viewed those early losses in something akin to this line of thining. If you don't, you'll never get the mental edge of a champion. And I don't know if the NCC coaches were saying should have and making a bunch of excuses. But there's definitely a way to own up to defeat without conceding you had no chance to win in the first place.

We played and lost in the Stagg Bowl to Mount in 05 as well.