FB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[fballfan]

WELL....................can't really get into the rationale without getting into that old, "private vs. public debate."   It is my understanding that many of the private schools pushed to have the rule change because they felt that public schools lower tuition rates unfairly put them in the position of having players more open to taking on that 5th year of school even if it wasn't academically required.  That extra year of school was harder to sell to the players at the $30K plus a year schools if they didn't need a 5th year to finish their degree.   Also, there is the argument that red shirting flies in the face of the ideal at the non-scholarship D-3 level.  Athletics are considered more pure at this level and more about playing for the love of the sport and putting the focus and emphasis on the STUDENT in the STUDENT-Athlete. Considering how the cheating/money has poisoned the D-1 level, the later philosophy looks better and better all the time.   

Thanks, 413.  Interesting.  Unfortunately, I don't see how anything has changed.  The former red-shirts are now just sitting out.  The only way it can be "equal" is if they change the rule so that your eligibility matches your academic class.  If you are a sophomore in college, then you are a soph in athletics also, whether or not you played your freshman year.  You have years 1-4 to play and that's it, with perhaps only injuries making you eligible an extra year because those are unpredictable and that is not a decision by a player to sit out.  (Not advocating this....just thinking cuz I don't think this red/grey thing fixed things the privates wanted it to)  My kids explored the public/private institutions.  A couple of them went private because they guaranteed a 4 year finish and the publics told them up front to plan on 4+ years simply because they are so crowded that you won't be able to get the classes you need to graduate, particularly if you change majors, which so many do. 
So, imo, dropping red shirting did nothing.  In fact, it may have caused more to sit out.  There are no favored red shirts who have been practicing all season for the greys to compete against.  I think red shirts were limited to a certain number, weren't they?  No limit to grey shirts.
I do notice that kids I know that play basketball & baseball are more likely to play as freshman because they would have to go an entire 5 years, not 4.5 in order to finish school & play.  So maybe it's a football thing.

[BoBo]

I love the chart - at least what I can read.  I'm having a hard time reading some of it.  Any suggestions?

And any word on Kickoff?  Today's the day, but I don't seem to see it anywhere???

Did you point and click on the word chart?

[badgerwarhawk]

 

Gray shirting isn't anywhere near the same as red shirting was.  A red shirt could work out with the team, practice with the team and attend team meetings, etc.  A gray shirt can't have anything to do with the team.  They're on their own.  I'm sure they get guidance from the staff when they are told they'll be gray shirting but after that the staff can't have any contact with them, they can't practice, they can't lift with the team.  After the gray shirt year an athlete isn't any where near as prepared to join the program as a red shirt would have been. 

[Assassin14]

He is a great player.  Had some attitude and in-game penalties at MSU..If they can rein in all of that talent u will have one fantastic player.

Only have to keep him out of trouble until December.....Also, I would imagine WW should be a little less of a tempting place as far as trouble goes compared to Mankato.....but you never know!

After watching him dominate at the D2 level I would say he has to be one of the best if not the absolute best secondary player D3 has to offer.....special!!!!

[K-Mack]

I've seen Waunakee play as well. They are very well coached and execute almost flawlessly. They typically have 3-5 D-I or D-II type guys. They wouldn't have a prayer against any WIAC school.

Yep, I'm pretty sure in an ATN last year I destroyed the argument that an HS team could beat a D3.

Even a good high school team sends maybe 10 or 15 seniors on to play in college. A bad D3 team is still made up of 75-150 of those guys.

The entire argument is here under the 2nd header, Back to School:
http://www.d3football.com/columns/around-the-nation/2010/september-to-remember

(I just re-read and I'm still convinced)

[bulk19]

Some of you old timers might remember this story from 2003...

- an update on UWEC Blugold Justin Greenwood, who 8 years ago sustained a near fatal blow on the football field, in part, because ignored a concussion and played that game, because he didn't want to miss a game...

http://www.weau.com/sports/headlines/Former_UW-Eau_Claire_football_player_warns_about_concussion_dangers_128223643.html

[badgerwarhawk]

I remember the incident and am glad to see that he's recovered and has his life back on track.  Good luck to him.  I hope the coaches/athletes/parents who hear him speak take it seriously.  I would think that as horrific as his story is they would have to.

[BoBo]

^^ Great job turning an unpleasant situation for him, his family & friends into a positive.  If one person heeds his message it will be all worth the effort!!

[footballfan413]

Some of you old timers might remember this story from 2003...

- an update on UWEC Blugold Justin Greenwood, who 8 years ago sustained a near fatal blow on the football field, in part, because ignored a concussion and played that game, because he didn't want to miss a game...

http://www.weau.com/sports/headlines/Former_UW-Eau_Claire_football_player_warns_about_concussion_dangers_128223643.html

Wow, such a great example of overcoming a terrible challenge and using your own circumstances as a teaching tool.  In the beginning of camp in 07, my son was ear-holed by a freshman and got a very, very mild concussion and he just shook it off, not telling the training staff.  Two days later he was hit again and this time the second blow, while nowhere near as severe as Justins was, did result in more serious concussion symptoms.  He had bad headaches, lack of focus, etc., for several weeks instead of several days which is usually the case.  Resulted in his missing his one and only game as a 4 year starter.  A concussion is bad enough but to ignore it and continue on with one's activity level and receive a second blow is so dangerous as Justin's story exemplifies.  My thoughts and prayers are with him and his family as he continues on his journey of recovery and education.  

[badgerwarhawk]

this is a test



Wow, I did it!

Carry on....

[footballfan413]

this is a test



Wow, I did it!

Carry on....

Oh, oh......OH!!!  Tried to do that just the other day and it didn't work.  Please, teach me!!!!! 

[BoBo]

this is a test



Wow, I did it!

Carry on....

I don't get it. . . is this something like a pun? "This is a test" and an article about academic achievement?   

[badgerwarhawk]

No, I've been trying to figure out how you post a hyper link without actually pasting the url in the post.  I was on another forum where a poster was showing another poster how to do it so I thought I'd give it a try.  The article just happened to be from Voice's football blog and I just happened to consider it a test run.  The idea of it being a pun never occured to me.

By now it should be obvious that I may not be the sharpest pencil in the box. 

[BoBo]

By now it should be obvious that I may not be the sharpest pencil in the box. 

I've learned . . . that success is more often the result of hard work than of talent!!

[BoBo]

This article isn't about football - golf actually - but it has an interesting twist to the story. The one player mentioned in the story is Jac Hiscock . . . after reading, I guess you can understand why Hiscock's team did what they did!!