FB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[badgerwarhawk]

I've gone twice 2005 & 2006.  We lost both of them.  Some would call it coincidence but I'm not one of them.    It's better if I stay home and watch the game at Saxes.  Plus I've got to officiate hoops Thursday and Saturday so I wouldn't be able to go regardless.   

[02 Warhawk]

So is anybody here already planning on going to Salem if the Hawks make it again? I'm toying with the idea but now that its on a Friday, I only have one vacation day left to spend this year.

I tried going in 2009. From Miwaukee, I had a layover in Atantla before continuing on to Roanoke. After landing in Atlanta I found out the Roanoke airport closed down b/c of that snow storm. so I had no choice but to use my voucher to fly back to Milwaukee that same day. 

Nothing like spending $300 to fly to Atlanta and back in the same day. 

I'll stay in Milwaukee this time around.

[WarhawkDad]

So is anybody here already planning on going to Salem if the Hawks make it again? I'm toying with the idea but now that its on a Friday, I only have one vacation day left to spend this year.

Yes, if everything turns out well for the Warhawks, WarhawkDad and family will go to Salem for the third consecutive year.  Having to move trip back a day to deal with Friday vs. Saturday game.   

[badgerwarhawk]

When does the All-Conference team get announced? 

Today: http://www.wiacsports.com/news/2011/11/16/FB_1116111328.aspx

[02 Warhawk]

What to expect from Albion College this Saturday.

Also, I put UWW and Albion's stats head to head for comparison purposes for your reading pleasure  .

[BoBo]

What to expect from Albion College this Saturday.

Also, I put UWW and Albion's stats head to head for comparison purposes for your reading pleasure  .

Oshkosh ran a lot of option.  We've seen it and will be ready if needed. Plus, wouldn't you rather have an opponent running the ball at our defensive strength than having a gunslinger like those guys last year passing the ball downfield into a non-strength. Funny, we had 2 DB's earn all-conference honors - didn't see that coming!!

Teams have been blitzing the hell out of UWW (La Crosse almost every play) - might have something to do with the greater pressure on Blanchard this year. Plus, what pressure there was on Blanchard came more early in the season - a bunch of new, young receivers learning how to play the position. I think having Tamsett (that guy has good hands) to a large degree and Coppage recently as receiving options has resulted in fewer instances of Blanchard being under pressure. He seems to like running and lowering a shoulder on a would-be tackler anyway.  At his size, he is able to take care of his body. It's the innocent hand glancing off a helmet that is a concern. 

In the picture of the 2010 Stagg Bowl O-line, why is the player on the far right, in the back row circled?

Comparing stats with Albion is like comparing the proverbial apples and oranges.  I wouldn't be surprised or shocked to see multiple substitutions taking place early in the third quarter in this one. I expect a Lakeland or St. Norby kind of outcome.  But, don't discount (& you worry 02 Warhawk) if Albion gets an early score. It always seems to happen - even in the massive blowout victories in the playoffs.

I suppose the crowd will be under 2 grand - par for the course in the playoffs. That's a shame.

[02 Warhawk]

Oshkosh ran a lot of option.  We've seen it and will be ready if needed. Plus, wouldn't you rather have an opponent running the ball at our defensive strength than having a gunslinger like those guys last year passing the ball downfield into a non-strength. Funny, we had 2 DB's earn all-conference honors - didn't see that coming!!

True...but they didn't run the triple option like Salisbury does. I was thining along the lines of what O'Grady was doing in the late 90s with his triple-option River Falls teams. I think I would rather play Salisbury with a healthy Arnold, but I think Kean will knock them off before we play them anyways.

In the picture of the 2010 Stagg Bowl O-line, why is the player on the far right, in the back row circled?

I knew you would notice that  . I got it from a small-town newspaper, and I guess that particular o-lineman played on the local high school team. They were just pointing him out for their readers. I liked the picture, b/c it went well with what I was talking about...minus the white circle.

Comparing stats with Albion is like comparing the proverbial apples and oranges.  I wouldn't be surprised or shocked to see multiple substitutions taking place early in the third quarter in this one. I expect a Lakeland or St. Norby kind of outcome.  But, don't discount (& you worry 02 Warhawk) if Albion gets an early score. It always seems to happen - even in the massive blowout victories in the playoffs.

I suppose the crowd will be under 2 grand - par for the course in the playoffs. That's a shame.

Yea, I realize their stats are based on playing in a weaker conference. But it's interesting to see where their strengths are, as well as their weaknesses.

It's funny....two of their best defensive players are in the secondary, but they still give up a ton a passing yards. A bit of a statistical anomaly. Plus it looks like they have a good pass rusher too...I think one guy has over 10 sacks this season. I wonder if they just give up a lot of passing yards b/c teams are slinging the ball all over the field in the 4th, to try to get back into the game.

[bleedpurple]

It's funny....two of their best defensive players are in the secondary, but they still give up a ton a passing yards. A bit of a statistical anomaly. Plus it looks like they have a good pass rusher too...I think one guy has over 10 sacks this season. I wonder if they just give up a lot of passing yards b/c teams are slinging the ball all over the field in the 4th, to try to get back into the game.

Actually, the fourth quarter wasn't too much of anomaly. Albion gave up 540 yards passing in the 4th quarter, which is 27% of their 1999 passing yards allowed.

[02 Warhawk]

It's funny....two of their best defensive players are in the secondary, but they still give up a ton a passing yards. A bit of a statistical anomaly. Plus it looks like they have a good pass rusher too...I think one guy has over 10 sacks this season. I wonder if they just give up a lot of passing yards b/c teams are slinging the ball all over the field in the 4th, to try to get back into the game.

Actually, the fourth quarter wasn't too much of anomaly. Albion gave up 540 yards passing in the 4th quarter, which is 27% of their 1999 passing yards allowed.

I just find it odd on the amount of individual awards their cornerbacks have, but yet they give up a ton of passing yards. Just doesn't add up. They must give up a ton to the slot receivers and/or tightends???

If that's the case, look for Robinson and Ford (if healthy) to have big games.

[BoBo]

It's funny....two of their best defensive players are in the secondary, but they still give up a ton a passing yards. A bit of a statistical anomaly. Plus it looks like they have a good pass rusher too...I think one guy has over 10 sacks this season. I wonder if they just give up a lot of passing yards b/c teams are slinging the ball all over the field in the 4th, to try to get back into the game.

Actually, the fourth quarter wasn't too much of anomaly. Albion gave up 540 yards passing in the 4th quarter, which is 27% of their 1999 passing yards allowed.

I just find it odd on the amount of individual awards their cornerbacks have, but yet they give up a ton of passing yards. Just doesn't add up. They must give up a ton to the slot receivers and/or tightends???

If that's the case, look for Robinson and Ford (if healthy) to have big games.

Compare to Timm and Wenkman for UWW...1st and 2nd team all-conference, yet look at all the long pass plays were made against the UWW DB's.  Or was someone else in the D backfield responsible for giving up many of those long passing plays all season long? 

Look for Tamsett to be a key receiver out of the fullback position, also.

[MasterJedi]

It's funny....two of their best defensive players are in the secondary, but they still give up a ton a passing yards. A bit of a statistical anomaly. Plus it looks like they have a good pass rusher too...I think one guy has over 10 sacks this season. I wonder if they just give up a lot of passing yards b/c teams are slinging the ball all over the field in the 4th, to try to get back into the game.

Actually, the fourth quarter wasn't too much of anomaly. Albion gave up 540 yards passing in the 4th quarter, which is 27% of their 1999 passing yards allowed.

I just find it odd on the amount of individual awards their cornerbacks have, but yet they give up a ton of passing yards. Just doesn't add up. They must give up a ton to the slot receivers and/or tightends???

If that's the case, look for Robinson and Ford (if healthy) to have big games.

Compare to Timm and Wenkman for UWW...1st and 2nd team all-conference, yet look at all the long pass plays were made against the UWW DB's.  Or was someone else in the D backfield responsible for giving up many of those long passing plays all season long? 

Look for Tamsett to be a key receiver out of the fullback position, also.

At least against Steven's Point I think it was Kiesow that gave up a few big plays. It's not that he got beat on them, it's just that he wouldn't look back for the ball when he had the reciever beat or was stride for stride with him. Everyone around me at that game was screaming for the DBs to turn for the ball, and they probably could have gotten a few INTs by doing it...

[badgerwarhawk]

At least against Steven's Point I think it was Kiesow that gave up a few big plays. It's not that he got beat on them, it's just that he wouldn't look back for the ball when he had the reciever beat or was stride for stride with him. Everyone around me at that game was screaming for the DBs to turn for the ball, and they probably could have gotten a few INTs by doing it...

This is an interesting point that was addressed by the staff at one of our QB Club meetings.  The reason they don't look back is because they are taught not to.  The theory is that if the DB looks back he loses contact with the receiver and that gives the receiver an opportunity to create space between the two of them putting the DB out of position to make a play on the ball.  Instead they're taught to run with the receiver and when they see the receiver reach for the ball to bring their arms upward to either deflect or displace the ball.  I know there are times that I think if he had just looked back he could have had an interception and I'm sure that on occassion that is the case.  But evidently that isn't the train of thought among today's college coaching staffs unless you think our staff is doing something radically different than the norm.  I tend to doubt that myself. 

In the Stevens Point game one defensvie adjustment the staff made was to switch the defender covering Maglio using Noah Timm rather than Kiesow and that worked very well. 

[bleedpurple]

It's funny....two of their best defensive players are in the secondary, but they still give up a ton a passing yards. A bit of a statistical anomaly. Plus it looks like they have a good pass rusher too...I think one guy has over 10 sacks this season. I wonder if they just give up a lot of passing yards b/c teams are slinging the ball all over the field in the 4th, to try to get back into the game.

Actually, the fourth quarter wasn't too much of anomaly. Albion gave up 540 yards passing in the 4th quarter, which is 27% of their 1999 passing yards allowed.

I just find it odd on the amount of individual awards their cornerbacks have, but yet they give up a ton of passing yards. Just doesn't add up. They must give up a ton to the slot receivers and/or tightends???

If that's the case, look for Robinson and Ford (if healthy) to have big games.

Compare to Timm and Wenkman for UWW...1st and 2nd team all-conference, yet look at all the long pass plays were made against the UWW DB's.  Or was someone else in the D backfield responsible for giving up many of those long passing plays all season long? 

Look for Tamsett to be a key receiver out of the fullback position, also.

At least against Steven's Point I think it was Kiesow that gave up a few big plays. It's not that he got beat on them, it's just that he wouldn't look back for the ball when he had the reciever beat or was stride for stride with him. Everyone around me at that game was screaming for the DBs to turn for the ball, and they probably could have gotten a few INTs by doing it...

I think if the big plays are broken down, there are a variety of things that happened of the individual plays. MJ is spot on in his analysis of the Point game. The coaches made an adjustment by replacing Kiesow with Pendergast.  But then Pendergast was beaten for a TD in the second QTR.  The coaches adjusted again, and from the late second quarter on, Timm shadowed Maglio and the rest of the day he had one catch for three yards.

In the Stout game, there appeared to be a missed assignment or alignment (or poor communication) on a slant and a corner (I don't remember which) was burned along the sideline. 

Wenkman and Timm tied for the WIAC lead in interceptions and Timm was second in the league in passes defended.  Both are hitters and provide great run support as well.  They may have been responsible for a big play or two, I don't know. But I believe they are well deserving of the honors they received.

[BoBo]

bp, would you agree that losing McCollum for the season was a major blow early in the season.  He played so well in the playoffs, especially at the Stagg. He was really turning into the QB for the defense - old habits are hard to lose, I guess. I think his loss was a big reason why early in the season the DB's were having trouble.  It has gotten much better toward the end of the season.  Sort of like how the Pack was really struggling during the first 8 games - out of position or simply blown coverages, penalties etc. Monday night looked like a completely different set of guys. Hopefully the guys can continue to jell as the playoffs take off, create turnovers and play like they did during  last years postseason - most of them are the same guys afterall.

[MasterJedi]

At least against Steven's Point I think it was Kiesow that gave up a few big plays. It's not that he got beat on them, it's just that he wouldn't look back for the ball when he had the reciever beat or was stride for stride with him. Everyone around me at that game was screaming for the DBs to turn for the ball, and they probably could have gotten a few INTs by doing it...

This is an interesting point that was addressed by the staff at one of our QB Club meetings.  The reason they don't look back is because they are taught not to.  The theory is that if the DB looks back he loses contact with the receiver and that gives the receiver an opportunity to create space between the two of them putting the DB out of position to make a play on the ball.  Instead they're taught to run with the receiver and when they see the receiver reach for the ball to bring their arms upward to either deflect or displace the ball.  I know there are times that I think if he had just looked back he could have had an interception and I'm sure that on occassion that is the case.  But evidently that isn't the train of thought among today's college coaching staffs unless you think our staff is doing something radically different than the norm.  I tend to doubt that myself. 

In the Stevens Point game one defensvie adjustment the staff made was to switch the defender covering Maglio using Noah Timm rather than Kiesow and that worked very well.

I know where that thought is coming from, but my thought is to play the ball, not the reciever. It usually leads to less PI calls. Making a play on the ball is better than just sorta throwing your arms up and tackling the reciever IMO.