FB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[bleedpurple]

Here in an explanation of how to stop the veer from a posting on a message board for coaches:

"Coach, we have shut down both Navy Prep and Bucknell over the last two years (four touchdowns in four games) and this is what we do out of it.

DE's- 7
DT's- 2
WLB/MLB- 20
SOLB- 3X7
WOLB- 5X5
Maintain three deep coverage with secondary.

ELIMINATING THE MIDLINE
In- Both DT's pinch inside
Out- Both DT's pinch outside
Slant- Both DT's slant to formation
Navy and Bucknell both stopped running midline because of the unpredictability of the slanting 2 techs... in all four games!

ELIMINATING THE INSIDE VEER

"Base"
DE kills the QB.. get to THE QB with URGENCY!
OLB kills the pitch man... get to the pitch man with URGENCY!

"F"
DE kills the Dive... get to the Fullback with URGENCY!
OLB kills the QB... get to the QB with URGENCY!
FS/CB kills the pitch man... get to the pitch man with URGENCY!

YOU MUST HAVE TWO WAYS TO DEFEND THE TRIPLE OPTION OR THEY WILL LOAD YOU AND UTILIZE COMPLEMENT PLAYS TO EXPLOIT VOIDS. KEEP THEM GUESSING! THIS FORCES THE SPLIT BACK VEER TEAM TO PLAY "RUSSIAN ROULETTE" AND GUESS WHAT YOU ARE DOING.

FAST PLAY TO ALL ASSIGNMENTS... FORCE YOUR PLAYERS TO GET TO THEIR JOB AS FAST AS POSSIBLE! FORCE QB TO BE PERFECT!

You will be able to use this with your 4-2-5. It is a time-tested way of defending the triple. The split back veer is easier to defend than the flexbone due to the lack of threat of four verticals. The eight-man front is the best way to go vs. the split back veer. "

[02 Warhawk]

Don't bother asking the E8 board about this week's game...jeez!!! They are a little touchy over there, and don't think very highly of us.

Seems like SJF fans are having a war of words with the MIAC board.

[bleedpurple]

Don't bother asking the E8 board about this week's game...jeez!!! They are a little touchy over there, and don't think very highly of us.

Seems like SJF fans are having a war of words with the MIAC board.

Oh, oh. Didn't see this post and just posted my thoughts on St. Thomas over there. Oh well....

[02 Warhawk]

Don't bother asking the E8 board about this week's game...jeez!!! They are a little touchy over there, and don't think very highly of us.

Seems like SJF fans are having a war of words with the MIAC board.

Oh, oh. Didn't see this post and just posted my thoughts on St. Thomas over there. Oh well....

Apparently we are "arrogant" and do a lot of "BSing"...according to one SJF fan. I think he's just bitter with the MIAC thread, and he's taking it out on the the entire West board.

Pat even stepped in, and in so many words told him to cool down...funny stuff.

[emma17]

Here in an explanation of how to stop the veer from a posting on a message board for coaches:

"Coach, we have shut down both Navy Prep and Bucknell over the last two years (four touchdowns in four games) and this is what we do out of it.

DE's- 7
DT's- 2
WLB/MLB- 20
SOLB- 3X7
WOLB- 5X5
Maintain three deep coverage with secondary.

ELIMINATING THE MIDLINE
In- Both DT's pinch inside
Out- Both DT's pinch outside
Slant- Both DT's slant to formation
Navy and Bucknell both stopped running midline because of the unpredictability of the slanting 2 techs... in all four games!

ELIMINATING THE INSIDE VEER

"Base"
DE kills the QB.. get to THE QB with URGENCY!
OLB kills the pitch man... get to the pitch man with URGENCY!

"F"
DE kills the Dive... get to the Fullback with URGENCY!
OLB kills the QB... get to the QB with URGENCY!
FS/CB kills the pitch man... get to the pitch man with URGENCY!

YOU MUST HAVE TWO WAYS TO DEFEND THE TRIPLE OPTION OR THEY WILL LOAD YOU AND UTILIZE COMPLEMENT PLAYS TO EXPLOIT VOIDS. KEEP THEM GUESSING! THIS FORCES THE SPLIT BACK VEER TEAM TO PLAY "RUSSIAN ROULETTE" AND GUESS WHAT YOU ARE DOING.

FAST PLAY TO ALL ASSIGNMENTS... FORCE YOUR PLAYERS TO GET TO THEIR JOB AS FAST AS POSSIBLE! FORCE QB TO BE PERFECT!

You will be able to use this with your 4-2-5. It is a time-tested way of defending the triple. The split back veer is easier to defend than the flexbone due to the lack of threat of four verticals. The eight-man front is the best way to go vs. the split back veer. "

Good stuff Bleed.  I like it when you talk football techy.   
So this coach likes to run a 4 man line and either bring up a safety or bring in another linebacker to basically go with a 4-4 looking front.    With 3 deep coverage, this will especially put the pressure on our corners to keep the play in front of them.  Should be a great chess match.

[retagent]

Don't bother asking the E8 board about this week's game...jeez!!! They are a little touchy over there, and don't think very highly of us.

Seems like SJF fans are having a war of words with the MIAC board.

I think it's a little bit of too much similarity in the mentality of both (throw in the WIAC board) causing friction. Both the LL and MIAC have a bit of bite in their humor, and both have a bit of a problem seeing their reflection.

[02 Warhawk]

With each game I'm becoming more and more impressed with something that rarely gets discussed about Levell Coppage. Everyone talks about his elusiveness and speed, but nobody ever talks about his power.

I didn't catch the poor chaps number, but Coppage just flat out steam rolled one Franklin defender on Saturday. I think that guy layed on the turf for a good minute or two before getting up.

The little guy packs a surprising punch.

[tommiegun]

I'm interested in seeing how Salisbury does this weekend, too. 

Is their option an inside or outside veer base?  My high school ran the outside veer out of a base I formation, 1 te (about 50% of our plays) (in a very good conference, and our school eventually won the state tournament) very successfully against bigger, stronger, faster teams.  The only time we really ran into trouble was when the other team was just so much more physical up the middle that we couldn't get to the mesh point unmolested.

The "Eliminating the Veer" post below honestly looks like pure dumb luck to me; but it is based on defeating the inside veer, which we didn't run.  It all comes down to a numbers game.  Unless you totally overload (by guessing) the side that the option will be run to, you always end up with at least 1 more offensive player at the point of attack and it all comes down to having a smart QB make the right read.  I'd diagram but I'm at work and can't be making paint documents.

For what its worth ((which is not much) and again, this is HS where we were often facing 5-3s or 4-4s, with your occassional 4-3/3-4) we always thought running the veer against an even front presented easier blocking angles. 

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[emma17]

I'm interested in seeing how Salisbury does this weekend, too. 

Is their option an inside or outside veer base?  My high school ran the outside veer out of a base I formation, 1 te (about 50% of our plays) (in a very good conference, and our school eventually won the state tournament) very successfully against bigger, stronger, faster teams.  The only time we really ran into trouble was when the other team was just so much more physical up the middle that we couldn't get to the mesh point unmolested.

The "Eliminating the Veer" post below honestly looks like pure dumb luck to me; but it is based on defeating the inside veer, which we didn't run.  It all comes down to a numbers game.  Unless you totally overload (by guessing) the side that the option will be run to, you always end up with at least 1 more offensive player at the point of attack and it all comes down to having a smart QB make the right read.  I'd diagram but I'm at work and can't be making paint documents.

For what its worth ((which is not much) and again, this is HS where we were often facing 5-3s or 4-4s, with your occassional 4-3/3-4) we always thought running the veer against an even front presented easier blocking angles.

Interesting contribution and your comment about "dumb luck" seems accurate, thanks Tommie.  I think they run the Double Wing formation mostly, at least based on this video that is on youtube.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AjktfSaFlzo

[02 Warhawk]

I'm interested in seeing how Salisbury does this weekend, too. 

Is their option an inside or outside veer base?  My high school ran the outside veer out of a base I formation, 1 te (about 50% of our plays) (in a very good conference, and our school eventually won the state tournament) very successfully against bigger, stronger, faster teams.  The only time we really ran into trouble was when the other team was just so much more physical up the middle that we couldn't get to the mesh point unmolested.

The "Eliminating the Veer" post below honestly looks like pure dumb luck to me; but it is based on defeating the inside veer, which we didn't run.  It all comes down to a numbers game.  Unless you totally overload (by guessing) the side that the option will be run to, you always end up with at least 1 more offensive player at the point of attack and it all comes down to having a smart QB make the right read.  I'd diagram but I'm at work and can't be making paint documents.

For what its worth ((which is not much) and again, this is HS where we were often facing 5-3s or 4-4s, with your occassional 4-3/3-4) we always thought running the veer against an even front presented easier blocking angles.

Interesting contribution and your comment about "dumb luck" seems accurate, thanks Tommie.  I think they run the Double Wing formation mostly, at least based on this video that is on youtube.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AjktfSaFlzo

Thanks for the youtube post. Looks like they have some fast RBs and a quick QB.

An offense like this must be the camera guy's worst nightmare.

[tommiegun]

"An offense like this must be the camera guy's worst nightmare."

Two words: Wide angles.

Quick comment.  Their offense looks like an inside veer attack, which is a lot different (and in my biased opinion, much less effective).  With the inside option, its the DT's and MLB's who are always tackling the fullback. The DE or OLB is left unblocked (depending on the defense) and should smoke the quarterback every play.  In an inside option, the game comes down to whether (1) the wideout on the option side can block his corner and (2) whether the pitch man can beat the safety who comes up to make the tackle.

My guess is that the athletes WW has are able to both beat Salisbury's wideouts and tackle the pitch man.  I'd bet they get burned on at least 1 long fake option pass for a touchdown, but figure it out and win 49-21.

[bleedpurple]

"An offense like this must be the camera guy's worst nightmare."

Two words: Wide angles.

Quick comment.  Their offense looks like an inside veer attack, which is a lot different (and in my biased opinion, much less effective).  With the inside option, its the DT's and MLB's who are always tackling the fullback. The DE or OLB is left unblocked (depending on the defense) and should smoke the quarterback every play.  In an inside option, the game comes down to whether (1) the wideout on the option side can block his corner and (2) whether the pitch man can beat the safety who comes up to make the tackle.

My guess is that the athletes WW has are able to both beat Salisbury's wideouts and tackle the pitch man.  I'd bet they get burned on at least 1 long fake option pass for a touchdown, but figure it out and win 49-21.

Yes! I think this is crucial. I would think pounding the QB all afternoon could affect his decisions and pitches later in the game.

[dlippiel]

Salisbury is a very athletic team that thrives off the deception of the triple opt and the ability to use their athleticism to really hurt opposing defenses. To be honest, dlip thinks the gulls will cause U-dub some small problems here and there (an option pass maybe or breaking a big gain off a nasty block) but overall dlip feels the gulls will be stuffed and frustrated most of the day. Dlip just has way too much respect for Whitewater to see it any other way.

[02 Warhawk]

Salisbury is a very athletic team that thrives off the deception of the triple opt and the ability to use their athleticism to really hurt opposing defenses. To be honest, dlip thinks the gulls will cause U-dub some small problems here and there (an option pass maybe or breaking a big gain off a nasty block) but overall dlip feels the gulls will be stuffed and frustrated most of the day. Dlip just has way too much respect for Whitewater to see it any other way.

well tell Dlip thank you...