FB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[Pat Coleman]

Ours? It comes out on Mondays.

I could have sworn it always used to be out late Sundays...

Keith works a night shift on the sports desk at the Washington Post on Sundays, he gets back around midnight, we record for an hour, I process, upload and post on the site. So if 3 a.m. Monday morning qualifies as late Sunday for you, then it is out then. Depends on your sleep schedule, perhaps!

[BoBo]

I just cast my vote for the MIAC on the front page survey...

...and boy, do I feel great!!

I urge everyone who has not voted to do the same.

Freedom is great!!

[Trackfan]

As to the WIAC strength there is no comparison....
I realize this is the football board but OVERALL let's throw down different sports, and
Include the breadth of finishes.  One needs only look at the overall success of the WIAC.  Want to play basketball anyone?  Or how about run some sprints against some of the fastest guys in the nation?  I'd go on, but now Like Bobo (is it?). I need to, as the song says " FREE MY SOUL, AND THE REST WILL FOLLOW"  and vote for the MIAC in the front page poll.   

[retagent]

Thanks emma. I don't agree with your final conclusion, but at least I know the reasoning, and it is not easily dismissed. Another factor, which may be implied in your post, is that some of the MIAC wins were against cupcakes (Northwestern, if you will). But, winning is winning, nonetheless.

Trackfan, I know you don't want to reopen the "WIAC has many inherent advantages over most other D III schools" arguement again. But ask yourself why the WIAC is so strong. I'll be glad to enlighten. And it is not an arguement that they should not be D III, it's just pointing out the obvious. Does New York City produce more D I players than Madison?

[footballfan413]

Thanks emma. I don't agree with your final conclusion, but at least I know the reasoning, and it is not easily dismissed. Another factor, which may be implied in your post, is that some of the MIAC wins were against cupcakes (Northwestern, if you will). But, winning is winning, nonetheless.

Trackfan, I know you don't want to reopen the "WIAC has many inherent advantages over most other D III schools" arguement again. But ask yourself why the WIAC is so strong. I'll be glad to enlighten. And it is not an arguement that they should not be D III, it's just pointing out the obvious. Does New York City produce more D I players than Madison?

Hi retagent.  Good to have you visit us.  So great to have the board light up this time of year with old and new, "faces." Haven't posted much lately but always reading.  Now, with regard to your comment above to 17, I, personally, believe you are dismissing that factor too easily and have identified the crux of the argument.    Does the question get answered by simply looking at the W/L record or does one need to delve deeper into the competition level and quality of those wins/losses.  I guess that really depends on how one prefers the results to come out.   
   As for the, "does NYC produce more D1 players than Madison," comment, you seem to be selectively choosing only one factor in the age old debate, sheer numbers.  If I am understanding your point right, you are saying that the WIAC has an advantage with their athletes over smaller schools because they have more kids on campus?  Then how does that compute with the fact that we have a 100 man roster limit?  Shouldn't the private schools have an advantage then, based on this logic, because they can recruit, roster and develop, in some cases as much as double, that number year after year? Shall we expand to the $$  (Tommies, cough, cough) side of the debate now or resist kicking the dead horse?    
    Sorry, this little debate is one of my biggest pet peeves and having experienced the recruiting process with both private and public schools first hand, I never have a problem with taking the bait.     

[BoBo]

Hi retagent.  Good to have you visit us. 

Ahhhh, fbf413, can we take a vote on that?  I got a feeling...

Maybe I should just 

[MasterJedi]

Ours? It comes out on Mondays.

I could have sworn it always used to be out late Sundays...

Keith works a night shift on the sports desk at the Washington Post on Sundays, he gets back around midnight, we record for an hour, I process, upload and post on the site. So if 3 a.m. Monday morning qualifies as late Sunday for you, then it is out then. Depends on your sleep schedule, perhaps!

Maybe I'm just getting old but I could have sworn it came out around midnight (which yes, is technically Monday) and that I got to watch it after getting out of work around then before going to bed. lol

[Pat Coleman]

I am hopeful we can do it earlier in the day the rest of the season, because I have to get up at 7 to go to work now. Staying up until 2:30 every Sunday night is not going to be good for me or my employer.

[notlongago]

Thanks emma. I don't agree with your final conclusion, but at least I know the reasoning, and it is not easily dismissed. Another factor, which may be implied in your post, is that some of the MIAC wins were against cupcakes (Northwestern, if you will). But, winning is winning, nonetheless.

Trackfan, I know you don't want to reopen the "WIAC has many inherent advantages over most other D III schools" arguement again. But ask yourself why the WIAC is so strong. I'll be glad to enlighten. And it is not an arguement that they should not be D III, it's just pointing out the obvious. Does New York City produce more D I players than Madison?

Hi retagent.  Good to have you visit us.  So great to have the board light up this time of year with old and new, "faces." Haven't posted much lately but always reading.  Now, with regard to your comment above to 17, I, personally, believe you are dismissing that factor too easily and have identified the crux of the argument.    Does the question get answered by simply looking at the W/L record or does one need to delve deeper into the competition level and quality of those wins/losses.  I guess that really depends on how one prefers the results to come out.   
   As for the, "does NYC produce more D1 players than Madison," comment, you seem to be selectively choosing only one factor in the age old debate, sheer numbers.  If I am understanding your point right, you are saying that the WIAC has an advantage with their athletes over smaller schools because they have more kids on campus?  Then how does that compute with the fact that we have a 100 man roster limit?  Shouldn't the private schools have an advantage then, based on this logic, because they can recruit, roster and develop, in some cases as much as double, that number year after year? Shall we expand to the $$  (Tommies, cough, cough) side of the debate now or resist kicking the dead horse?    
    Sorry, this little debate is one of my biggest pet peeves and having experienced the recruiting process with both private and public schools first hand, I never have a problem with taking the bait.     

Because its not first come first serve...You can cherry pick the best 100 that you want on the team...so while a private may have 130-150 kids the coaching staff may have only really wanted 80, but at the WIAC schools (especially the upper tier teams) they have the advantage of selecting the best from a much bigger pool and develop them using state money.

[Pat Coleman]

But they don't pick kids by hanging up signs in the dorms like you might in the halls of your high school. It's not an open tryout -- kids are recruited to come to the school with football in mind just as with every private school. There might be a facilities edge (don't tell River Falls that) but there's nothing that a state school does that a private school couldn't do. Just ask Mount Union.

[retagent]

Thanks 413. Like they say, opinions are like A&%holes - everybody has at least one. That's what makes for the back and forth. It would not be fun if everyone agreed.

As far as the advantage - although it appears that my only arguement is sheer numbers, I just didn't want to get into it, becuase it's been hashed out so much, and I think everyone has come to their own conclusion. I'll just offer this as something to ponder about my alma mater. First it's a Catholic institution - that knocks out many prospectve attendees who choose not to go to a college so affiliated. Second, the cost to attend is much higher (and I know the arguement about more financial aid, but I still don't think it makes up the difference) Third, since St John's only can take about 700 per entering class, they can be more selective regarding academic standing - and they are. That knocks out quite a few also. The UW system is set up to educate the masses (so to speak) and they can, and should accept those whose academic record has not been as stellar. Not a knock, just the situation that different schools have different missions. I'm sure there are more factors, but those are just three that jump out.

[Brian Carroll]

UWL got an important win at North Central on Saturday, as Coach Dettwiler's defense came up with 6 turnovers to thwart the host Cardinals. The first half drizzle kept the offenses under wraps, and UWL had only modest success pounding the ball against the Cardinal defense. The Eagles' O-line failed to control the line of scrimmage despite being billed as a team strength, against a strong opponent. I'll need to see improvement there before I predict W's against the top WIAC teams. Still, it was a big step forward, and we seem to be headed in the right direction.

[notlongago]

But they don't pick kids by hanging up signs in the dorms like you might in the halls of your high school. It's not an open tryout -- kids are recruited to come to the school with football in mind just as with every private school. There might be a facilities edge (don't tell River Falls that) but there's nothing that a state school does that a private school couldn't do. Just ask Mount Union.

I know they don't recruit the dorms....but whats easier to recruit to: a school of 8,000-10,000 or a school of 1,500? A big city with a mall, restaurants, and other attractions or a small town? A school that offers 20 Majors or a school that offers 50 majors? Paying professors from a private school budget or using state money?

[voice]

I've spent much of my Labor Day going D3football.com retro.  I went to the then-D3football.com WIAC chat room in its first year - 2005, The smack talk the weeks of the St. Johns, Linfield and Mount Union playoff games was incredible.

We all know that Bobo is the spiritual leader of this thread. He'll have to  verify but I think that he first went by Seoulman as in S. Korea. I first discovered his posts the week of the 2005 national semifinal vs. Wesley. He told the Wolverines to make sure to bring  long johns. They did but forgot to bring cleatless shoes. Good call Seoulman if thats who your really are.

[02 Warhawk]

But they don't pick kids by hanging up signs in the dorms like you might in the halls of your high school. It's not an open tryout -- kids are recruited to come to the school with football in mind just as with every private school. There might be a facilities edge (don't tell River Falls that) but there's nothing that a state school does that a private school couldn't do. Just ask Mount Union.

I know they don't recruit the dorms....but whats easier to recruit to: a school of 8,000-10,000 or a school of 1,500? A big city with a mall, restaurants, and other attractions or a small town? A school that offers 20 Majors or a school that offers 50 majors? Paying professors from a private school budget or using state money?

With that logic, schools from the NJAC should always beat a Mount Union?

I hear what ur trying to say, but that's not why the WIAC is a very strong conference.