FB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[notlongago]

But they don't pick kids by hanging up signs in the dorms like you might in the halls of your high school. It's not an open tryout -- kids are recruited to come to the school with football in mind just as with every private school. There might be a facilities edge (don't tell River Falls that) but there's nothing that a state school does that a private school couldn't do. Just ask Mount Union.

I know they don't recruit the dorms....but whats easier to recruit to: a school of 8,000-10,000 or a school of 1,500? A big city with a mall, restaurants, and other attractions or a small town? A school that offers 20 Majors or a school that offers 50 majors? Paying professors from a private school budget or using state money?

With that logic, schools from the NJAC should always beat a Mount Union?

I hear what ur trying to say, but that's not why the WIAC is a very strong conference.

Im not saying public schools are better than the private schools athletically...Im just saying they are very different and anyone who says public schools (WIAC teams for example) don't have different factors that could be great recruting tools are lying to themselves...that being said, recruits wanting something on the other end of the spectrum (small school, small town, etc.) then many private schools have factors that could be an advantage....I just think the majority of recruits would choose the bigger stage of given the option and many public schools can offer that.

[NCF]

But they don't pick kids by hanging up signs in the dorms like you might in the halls of your high school. It's not an open tryout -- kids are recruited to come to the school with football in mind just as with every private school. There might be a facilities edge (don't tell River Falls that) but there's nothing that a state school does that a private school couldn't do. Just ask Mount Union.

I know they don't recruit the dorms....but whats easier to recruit to: a school of 8,000-10,000 or a school of 1,500? A big city with a mall, restaurants, and other attractions or a small town? A school that offers 20 Majors or a school that offers 50 majors? Paying professors from a private school budget or using state money?

With that logic, schools from the NJAC should always beat a Mount Union?

I hear what ur trying to say, but that's not why the WIAC is a very strong conference.

Off topic (sorry) but does anyone know what happened to josh williams. And congrats to  Blanchard. I'll be waiting for the day when he leads the Bears to victory over the Pack. BTW '02, hope you enjoyed your trip to Naperville.

[02 Warhawk]

But they don't pick kids by hanging up signs in the dorms like you might in the halls of your high school. It's not an open tryout -- kids are recruited to come to the school with football in mind just as with every private school. There might be a facilities edge (don't tell River Falls that) but there's nothing that a state school does that a private school couldn't do. Just ask Mount Union.

I know they don't recruit the dorms....but whats easier to recruit to: a school of 8,000-10,000 or a school of 1,500? A big city with a mall, restaurants, and other attractions or a small town? A school that offers 20 Majors or a school that offers 50 majors? Paying professors from a private school budget or using state money?

With that logic, schools from the NJAC should always beat a Mount Union?

I hear what ur trying to say, but that's not why the WIAC is a very strong conference.

Im not saying public schools are better than the private schools athletically...Im just saying they are very different and anyone who says public schools (WIAC teams for example) don't have different factors that could be great recruting tools are lying to themselves...that being said, recruits wanting something on the other end of the spectrum (small school, small town, etc.) then many private schools have factors that could be an advantage....I just think the majority of recruits would choose the bigger stage of given the option and many public schools can offer that.

It's been well established on these boards that BOTH private and public schools can offer up recruiting offers that the other can't. It's almost a push....

I'm not following you when you say "bigger stage." You talking about crowd size? market size? stadium size? TV coverage?

The reason the WIAC is a solid conference has nothing to do with being public. And everything to do with the fact there is only one DI football program (Madison) and 0 DII programs in WI. If athletes don't receive a scholarship offer at Madison, and want to play football in-state, they have no choice but to play DIII. Which makes the WIAC very inviting.

[WarhawkDad]

But they don't pick kids by hanging up signs in the dorms like you might in the halls of your high school. It's not an open tryout -- kids are recruited to come to the school with football in mind just as with every private school. There might be a facilities edge (don't tell River Falls that) but there's nothing that a state school does that a private school couldn't do. Just ask Mount Union.

I know they don't recruit the dorms....but whats easier to recruit to: a school of 8,000-10,000 or a school of 1,500? A big city with a mall, restaurants, and other attractions or a small town? A school that offers 20 Majors or a school that offers 50 majors? Paying professors from a private school budget or using state money?

With that logic, schools from the NJAC should always beat a Mount Union?

I hear what ur trying to say, but that's not why the WIAC is a very strong conference.

Off topic (sorry) but does anyone know what happened to josh williams. And congrats to  Blanchard. I'll be waiting for the day when he leads the Bears to victory over the Pack. BTW '02, hope you enjoyed your trip to Naperville.

Newcardfan

Josh Williams from Downers Grove South must be like 4 or 5 on the depth chart right now.  He looked good on a couple of scrimmages but there are several more with more experience ahead of him right now.

WarhawkDad

[WarhawkDad]

But they don't pick kids by hanging up signs in the dorms like you might in the halls of your high school. It's not an open tryout -- kids are recruited to come to the school with football in mind just as with every private school. There might be a facilities edge (don't tell River Falls that) but there's nothing that a state school does that a private school couldn't do. Just ask Mount Union.

I know they don't recruit the dorms....but whats easier to recruit to: a school of 8,000-10,000 or a school of 1,500? A big city with a mall, restaurants, and other attractions or a small town? A school that offers 20 Majors or a school that offers 50 majors? Paying professors from a private school budget or using state money?

With that logic, schools from the NJAC should always beat a Mount Union?

I hear what ur trying to say, but that's not why the WIAC is a very strong conference.

Im not saying public schools are better than the private schools athletically...Im just saying they are very different and anyone who says public schools (WIAC teams for example) don't have different factors that could be great recruting tools are lying to themselves...that being said, recruits wanting something on the other end of the spectrum (small school, small town, etc.) then many private schools have factors that could be an advantage....I just think the majority of recruits would choose the bigger stage of given the option and many public schools can offer that.

It's been well established on these boards that BOTH private and public schools can offer up recruiting offers that the other can't. It's almost a push....

I'm not following you when you say "bigger stage." You talking about crowd size? market size? stadium size? TV coverage?

The reason the WIAC is a solid conference has nothing to do with being public. And everything to do with the fact there is only one DI football program (Madison) and 0 DII programs in WI. If athletes don't receive a scholarship offer at Madison, and want to play football in-state, they have no choice but to play DIII. Which makes the WIAC very inviting.

Add to it the lack of DII schools in Illinois and the WIAC and the CCIW are able to recruit from a pretty large area.   Whitewater is smack in between Madison and Milwaukee and about the same to the suburbs of Chicago.

I have said it before and I will say it again.  My son, currently playing for UWW was recruited by several CCIW private schools.  They dangled "merit" money in front of him which would have made the cost of attending those private schools the same as the public schools.   What made the difference?  For him it was facilities, coaches and winning tradition.   Frankly those are harder to come by in public schools, especially during budget crunches than in private schools.

WarhawkDad

[Pat Coleman]

But they don't pick kids by hanging up signs in the dorms like you might in the halls of your high school. It's not an open tryout -- kids are recruited to come to the school with football in mind just as with every private school. There might be a facilities edge (don't tell River Falls that) but there's nothing that a state school does that a private school couldn't do. Just ask Mount Union.

I know they don't recruit the dorms....but whats easier to recruit to: a school of 8,000-10,000 or a school of 1,500? A big city with a mall, restaurants, and other attractions or a small town? A school that offers 20 Majors or a school that offers 50 majors? Paying professors from a private school budget or using state money?

Check the hometowns on rosters. Pretty sure that's not the kind of recruiting being done either.

[John Gleich]

But they don't pick kids by hanging up signs in the dorms like you might in the halls of your high school. It's not an open tryout -- kids are recruited to come to the school with football in mind just as with every private school. There might be a facilities edge (don't tell River Falls that) but there's nothing that a state school does that a private school couldn't do. Just ask Mount Union.

I know they don't recruit the dorms....but whats easier to recruit to: a school of 8,000-10,000 or a school of 1,500? A big city with a mall, restaurants, and other attractions or a small town? A school that offers 20 Majors or a school that offers 50 majors? Paying professors from a private school budget or using state money?

With that logic, schools from the NJAC should always beat a Mount Union?

I hear what ur trying to say, but that's not why the WIAC is a very strong conference.

Im not saying public schools are better than the private schools athletically...Im just saying they are very different and anyone who says public schools (WIAC teams for example) don't have different factors that could be great recruting tools are lying to themselves...that being said, recruits wanting something on the other end of the spectrum (small school, small town, etc.) then many private schools have factors that could be an advantage....I just think the majority of recruits would choose the bigger stage of given the option and many public schools can offer that.

I'm just wondering if you're posting the same things at the other 15 conferences that have public schools or if it's just the WIAC. There are, by my count, 84 public schools in D-III, with an average enrollment of 6884. Yes, the WIACs, on average, are bigger than this (about 8,500)  but only three WIAC schools are in the top 20 D-III public schools in terms of size. Oshkosh is #10, Eau Claire is #18, and Whitewater is #19.

Of the top 20 public schools in attendance, 8 are in New York, 5 are in New Jersey, 2 are in Massachusetts, 1 is in Maine, and 1 is in Texas. The last 3 are WIAC schools.

For what it's worth, the largest private school is considerably larger than any of the WIACs. Oshkosh is the biggest at 12k... and NYU has over 19K undergraduates.

Wouldn't it make sense that a school in New York, or Chicago, or Los Angeles (or their suburbs) would have an advantage in recruiting over schools in towns of 20-50k?


These aren't new arguments. It's probably the first time YOU'RE making these arguments, but we have heard them. Every season (if not more frequently). It just gets old having to regurgitate the same information, year in and year out to refute the arguments.

[retagent]

Maybe if you just accepted the evidence and said, "Yeah, we have advantages, So what!" we could put it to rest. Instead, you try and refute, but the facts are there. The lack of D II schools, mentioned above, is another factor I didn't mention. It does seem silly to rehash, but why deny facts.

[Pat Coleman]

They might have an advantage or two, but not the wholesale list of them folks would like to think.

[bleedpurple]

They might have an advantage or two, but not the wholesale list of them folks would like to think.

Let's give Pat the final word on this.  The season has FINALLY started. Seems like there should be plenty of football to talk about! 

[bleedpurple]

UWL got an important win at North Central on Saturday, as Coach Dettwiler's defense came up with 6 turnovers to thwart the host Cardinals. The first half drizzle kept the offenses under wraps, and UWL had only modest success pounding the ball against the Cardinal defense. The Eagles' O-line failed to control the line of scrimmage despite being billed as a team strength, against a strong opponent. I'll need to see improvement there before I predict W's against the top WIAC teams. Still, it was a big step forward, and we seem to be headed in the right direction.

Congrats on a big win for the Eagles and their program.  And although they are a "hated" rival, I do concede it is good for the WIAC and good for D3 football for them to be good.  Just so they don't get carried away and take this "good" thing too far...

[notlongago]

But they don't pick kids by hanging up signs in the dorms like you might in the halls of your high school. It's not an open tryout -- kids are recruited to come to the school with football in mind just as with every private school. There might be a facilities edge (don't tell River Falls that) but there's nothing that a state school does that a private school couldn't do. Just ask Mount Union.

I know they don't recruit the dorms....but whats easier to recruit to: a school of 8,000-10,000 or a school of 1,500? A big city with a mall, restaurants, and other attractions or a small town? A school that offers 20 Majors or a school that offers 50 majors? Paying professors from a private school budget or using state money?

Check the hometowns on rosters. Pretty sure that's not the kind of recruiting being done either.

hometowns are extremely irrelevant to this discussions

[02 Warhawk]

They might have an advantage or two, but not the wholesale list of them folks would like to think.

I can live with that.

As long as Mount Union remains a powerhouse, I refuse to believe that private schools have it so rough, compared to public.

[footballfan413]

Well, I was busy the last 24 hours and it looks like you guys kicked the dead horse pretty well without me so I agree with BP that giving Pat, the unbiased opinion of the group, the last the last word is a good idea.  BUT,      I just want to make one tiny response to our friend from the MIAC, retangent.  Your comment about just accepting the evidence and denying the facts?    Well, Buddy........... that goes both ways!  Fact is the majority of D-3 Championships since 1973, have been won by small private schools, so say what you will about our big public school advantages, it has not translated to more titles!!!  Look at Mount Union's success!  UW-W has become a bit of an outlier for many reasons, (improved facilities, a couple of talented recruiting classes in the mid-2000's, success at the national level as in, "winning breeds winning,' etc.,) the last 8 years but it is not because we are a public school!                                                                           http://www.ncaa.com/history/football/d3

Who am I kidding.....................I am not good at giving someone else the last word. 


           Now, for the reason I wanted to post.  WIAC pick em's close on Thursday right before game time when UW-LC travels to Norther Michigan. This is a very short week between that and the Monday holiday.  Get your selections in early!!!

[KitchenSink]

I just saw that Buffalo St has more students than Whitewater.  Dang, I guess we don't have a chance next week.