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02 Warhawk

Quote from: notlongago on September 07, 2012, 10:41:47 AM
Quote from: retagent on September 06, 2012, 11:05:07 PM
I misspoke (mis wrote? ) Highest winning percentage, not most wins. My feeble mind failed me.


1.    Mount Union (Ohio)    376    58    4    .863
2.    Central                    311    71    1    .813
3.    Linfield (Ore.)            292    68    3    .809
4.    St. Johns (Minn.)            317    75    5    .805
5.    Dayton (Ohio)            323    79    3    .801
6.    Wash. & Jeff. (Pa.)    364    94    3    .793
7.    Wittenberg (Ohio)    298    82    2    .783
8.    Nebraska                    351    99    2    .779
9.    Pittsburg Stats (kan.)    324    95    4    .771
10.    Ithaca (N.Y.)            295    96    1    .754


How about we start in 1975...

He should have just said "winningest coach of all time", and left it at that.

hazzben

Quote from: BoBo on September 07, 2012, 11:45:09 AM
Quote from: hazzben on September 07, 2012, 11:27:15 AM
Quote from: BoBo on September 07, 2012, 10:50:35 AM
^^ Yikes, busted again!!  :o

Sorta...but only by only collecting win percentages dating from 1975 on. Considering SJU's current head coach has been at the school since 1953, that's a pretty weak sauce rebuttal IMO. At the very least you should calculate the win percentages from the time Gags has been the HC there, if not going all the way back.

He was talking DIII total wins/winning %/?? which should only take it back to '73 when the first champion was crowned - although we could stretch even further to '69 when the 2 regional championships were held. No point going any further back, there was no DIII in '53. There was no mention of the coaches record. So, busted stands!!

No, busted doesn't stand, at leads not according to the evidence he employs. The list notlongago quotes from includes Linfield, St. John's, Nebraska and Pittsburg State.

What do all three have in common?

None of them were DIII in 1975. So his own evidence doesn't adhere to the criteria. Maybe SJU isn't the leader in win percentage in DIII overall, but that list has some major holes. Considering SJU wasn't even DIII in '75, this is a moot point all over.

hazzben

Quote from: 02 Warhawk on September 07, 2012, 11:46:33 AM
Quote from: notlongago on September 07, 2012, 10:41:47 AM
Quote from: retagent on September 06, 2012, 11:05:07 PM
I misspoke (mis wrote? ) Highest winning percentage, not most wins. My feeble mind failed me.


1.    Mount Union (Ohio)    376    58    4    .863
2.    Central                    311    71    1    .813
3.    Linfield (Ore.)            292    68    3    .809
4.    St. Johns (Minn.)            317    75    5    .805
5.    Dayton (Ohio)            323    79    3    .801
6.    Wash. & Jeff. (Pa.)    364    94    3    .793
7.    Wittenberg (Ohio)    298    82    2    .783
8.    Nebraska                    351    99    2    .779
9.    Pittsburg Stats (kan.)    324    95    4    .771
10.    Ithaca (N.Y.)            295    96    1    .754


How about we start in 1975...

He should have just said "winningest coach of all time", and left it at that.

Agreed! That would have made it a lot cleaner, and beyond argument.

02 Warhawk


bleedpurple

Quote from: couchp54 on September 07, 2012, 11:21:57 AM
2.  How far the Johnny's have fallen that they actually beat their chest at the prospect of beating Eau Claire.  Not actually beating Eau Claire mind you, just the prospect of beating them.


Now I could take exception to that!  What's EC - chopped liver?? :o

Not stirring the pot.  Just couldn't help commenting........please don't take it wrong.

No, I understand you bringing it up.  Believe me, no disrespect was intended to the Blugolds at all.  I didn't even mean to disrespect the Johnnies themselves.   I was more reacting to the Johnnie-fan post as a WIAC fan than anything else. The Blugolds are a dangerous opponent (just ask the Tommies!).  I think those in the Blugold program would tell you they are still working towards where they want to be as a football program (20-22 in WIAC since '06). I guess I just wanted to defend the conference and not let an unprovoked verbal "shot" to one of our "work in progress" teams go unanswered.  All that being said, UW-EC stomped the Johnnies last year and just may do it again!


BDB

Quote from: footballfan413 on September 07, 2012, 11:06:34 AM
retagent has a big problem with the , "goes both ways," thing.  I am working on it because under that gruff exterior, I think he kind of likes me.   ;)

We all kinda like you 413.  ;)

BoBo

Quote from: hazzben on September 07, 2012, 01:08:11 PM
Quote from: BoBo on September 07, 2012, 11:45:09 AM
Quote from: hazzben on September 07, 2012, 11:27:15 AM
Quote from: BoBo on September 07, 2012, 10:50:35 AM
^^ Yikes, busted again!!  :o

Sorta...but only by only collecting win percentages dating from 1975 on. Considering SJU's current head coach has been at the school since 1953, that's a pretty weak sauce rebuttal IMO. At the very least you should calculate the win percentages from the time Gags has been the HC there, if not going all the way back.

He was talking DIII total wins/winning %/?? which should only take it back to '73 when the first champion was crowned - although we could stretch even further to '69 when the 2 regional championships were held. No point going any further back, there was no DIII in '53. There was no mention of the coaches record. So, busted stands!!

No, busted doesn't stand, at leads not according to the evidence he employs. The list notlongago quotes from includes Linfield, St. John's, Nebraska and Pittsburg State.

What do all three have in common?

None of them were DIII in 1975. So his own evidence doesn't adhere to the criteria. Maybe SJU isn't the leader in win percentage in DIII overall, but that list has some major holes. Considering SJU wasn't even DIII in '75, this is a moot point all over.

I do agree notlongago's list is tainted evidence and he should be reprimanded for bringing it forth with it's inaccuracies. Nebraska? Copy and pasting a list you don't look at can be dangerous. notlongago is a Central fan and just wants to stir the pot a little more than retagent already has. But it doesn't change the fact, that when it's all said and done, at the end of the day, when the fat lady sings, when the lights go out, that, unless you can submit evidence to the contrary, Mount & Central will have the higher win percentage during the DIII era than SJU and that retagent was incorrect with his facts...and that's what this is all about, plain and simple. Your appeal is denied, retagent is still busted and so are you for being an accomplice.  ;) 

On the other hand, I have no problem with including the win % of Linfield, SJU, UWW even Dayton that includes only wins, losses, and ties during their years as a member of DIII & placing them on that list where they fit. Just saying, I don't think they overtake Mount and Central for the top two spots. A win % list does not have to have all teams with an equal amount of input, i.e. the same number of total games. That would be the case here since all DIII member institutions haven't played an equal number of seasons/games - there's no reason to eliminate them from this discussion.

BTW, not long ago, notlongago told us that WIAC schools have an easier job of recruiting because of the malls and movie theaters compared to the little towns that private schools are located in (paraphrasing, of course). I'm still waiting for him/her to tell me where that shopping mall recruiting tool is in Whitewater, Wisconsin. I can't seem to find it. ;)   ;D



I'VE REACHED THAT AGE
WHERE MY BRAIN GOES
FROM "YOU PROBABLY
SHOULDN'T SAY THAT," TO
"WHAT THE HELL, LET'S SEE
WHAT HAPPENS."

hazzben

Quote from: BoBo on September 07, 2012, 10:33:43 PM
Quote from: hazzben on September 07, 2012, 01:08:11 PM
Quote from: BoBo on September 07, 2012, 11:45:09 AM
Quote from: hazzben on September 07, 2012, 11:27:15 AM
Quote from: BoBo on September 07, 2012, 10:50:35 AM
^^ Yikes, busted again!!  :o

Sorta...but only by only collecting win percentages dating from 1975 on. Considering SJU's current head coach has been at the school since 1953, that's a pretty weak sauce rebuttal IMO. At the very least you should calculate the win percentages from the time Gags has been the HC there, if not going all the way back.

He was talking DIII total wins/winning %/?? which should only take it back to '73 when the first champion was crowned - although we could stretch even further to '69 when the 2 regional championships were held. No point going any further back, there was no DIII in '53. There was no mention of the coaches record. So, busted stands!!

No, busted doesn't stand, at leads not according to the evidence he employs. The list notlongago quotes from includes Linfield, St. John's, Nebraska and Pittsburg State.

What do all three have in common?

None of them were DIII in 1975. So his own evidence doesn't adhere to the criteria. Maybe SJU isn't the leader in win percentage in DIII overall, but that list has some major holes. Considering SJU wasn't even DIII in '75, this is a moot point all over.

I do agree notlongago's list is tainted evidence and he should be reprimanded for bringing it forth with it's inaccuracies. Nebraska? Copy and pasting a list you don't look at can be dangerous. notlongago is a Central fan and just wants to stir the pot a little more than retagent already has. But it doesn't change the fact, that when it's all said and done, at the end of the day, when the fat lady sings, when the lights go out, that, unless you can submit evidence to the contrary, Mount & Central will have the higher win percentage during the DIII era than SJU and that retagent was incorrect with his facts...and that's what this is all about, plain and simple. Your appeal is denied, retagent is still busted and so are you for being an accomplice;) 

On the other hand, I have no problem with including the win % of Linfield, SJU, UWW even Dayton that includes only wins, losses, and ties during their years as a member of DIII & placing them on that list where they fit. Just saying, I don't think they overtake Mount and Central for the top two spots. A win % list does not have to have all teams with an equal amount of input, i.e. the same number of total games. That would be the case here since all DIII member institutions haven't played an equal number of seasons/games - there's no reason to eliminate them from this discussion.

BTW, not long ago, notlongago told us that WIAC schools have an easier job of recruiting because of the malls and movie theaters compared to the little towns that private schools are located in (paraphrasing, of course). I'm still waiting for him/her to tell me where that shopping mall recruiting tool is in Whitewater, Wisconsin. I can't seem to find it. ;)   ;D

No way, I'm like one of those non-partisan fact checkers we see on TV all time during election season. No dog in the fight, just keeping everyone honest  ;D

BoBo

Quote from: hazzben on September 08, 2012, 12:48:49 AM
Quote from: BoBo on September 07, 2012, 10:33:43 PM
Quote from: hazzben on September 07, 2012, 01:08:11 PM
Quote from: BoBo on September 07, 2012, 11:45:09 AM
Quote from: hazzben on September 07, 2012, 11:27:15 AM
Quote from: BoBo on September 07, 2012, 10:50:35 AM
^^ Yikes, busted again!!  :o

Sorta...but only by only collecting win percentages dating from 1975 on. Considering SJU's current head coach has been at the school since 1953, that's a pretty weak sauce rebuttal IMO. At the very least you should calculate the win percentages from the time Gags has been the HC there, if not going all the way back.

He was talking DIII total wins/winning %/?? which should only take it back to '73 when the first champion was crowned - although we could stretch even further to '69 when the 2 regional championships were held. No point going any further back, there was no DIII in '53. There was no mention of the coaches record. So, busted stands!!

No, busted doesn't stand, at leads not according to the evidence he employs. The list notlongago quotes from includes Linfield, St. John's, Nebraska and Pittsburg State.

What do all three have in common?

None of them were DIII in 1975. So his own evidence doesn't adhere to the criteria. Maybe SJU isn't the leader in win percentage in DIII overall, but that list has some major holes. Considering SJU wasn't even DIII in '75, this is a moot point all over.

I do agree notlongago's list is tainted evidence and he should be reprimanded for bringing it forth with it's inaccuracies. Nebraska? Copy and pasting a list you don't look at can be dangerous. notlongago is a Central fan and just wants to stir the pot a little more than retagent already has. But it doesn't change the fact, that when it's all said and done, at the end of the day, when the fat lady sings, when the lights go out, that, unless you can submit evidence to the contrary, Mount & Central will have the higher win percentage during the DIII era than SJU and that retagent was incorrect with his facts...and that's what this is all about, plain and simple. Your appeal is denied, retagent is still busted and so are you for being an accomplice;) 

On the other hand, I have no problem with including the win % of Linfield, SJU, UWW even Dayton that includes only wins, losses, and ties during their years as a member of DIII & placing them on that list where they fit. Just saying, I don't think they overtake Mount and Central for the top two spots. A win % list does not have to have all teams with an equal amount of input, i.e. the same number of total games. That would be the case here since all DIII member institutions haven't played an equal number of seasons/games - there's no reason to eliminate them from this discussion.

BTW, not long ago, notlongago told us that WIAC schools have an easier job of recruiting because of the malls and movie theaters compared to the little towns that private schools are located in (paraphrasing, of course). I'm still waiting for him/her to tell me where that shopping mall recruiting tool is in Whitewater, Wisconsin. I can't seem to find it. ;)   ;D

No way, I'm like one of those non-partisan fact checkers we see on TV all time during election season. No dog in the fight, just keeping everyone honest  ;D

OK, we'll reinstate you to your previous member in good standing status and give you +k as a complimentary gift for playing our game.  :D
I'VE REACHED THAT AGE
WHERE MY BRAIN GOES
FROM "YOU PROBABLY
SHOULDN'T SAY THAT," TO
"WHAT THE HELL, LET'S SEE
WHAT HAPPENS."

badgerwarhawk

WHITEWATER'S strip mall includes Chinese carryout, a bicycle store and Verizon Wireless.  The old Sentry store was converted to a strip mall and it includes a Chinese buffet, Jimmy Johns, LA Tan, a Mexican restaurant, dollar store and a vacant store front.  The four screened movie theater is just icing on the cake.   

If that doesn't draw recruits like flies to sugar I have no clue what would. 
"Strange days have found us.  Strange days have tracked us down." .... J. Morrison

emma17

Quote from: badgerwarhawk on September 08, 2012, 10:26:07 AM
WHITEWATER'S strip mall includes Chinese carryout, a bicycle store and Verizon Wireless.  The old Sentry store was converted to a strip mall and it includes a Chinese buffet, Jimmy Johns, LA Tan, a Mexican restaurant, dollar store and a vacant store front.  The four screened movie theater is just icing on the cake.   

If that doesn't draw recruits like flies to sugar I have no clue what would.

I was always kind of partial to Dale's Bootery.

footballfan413

Quote from: BlueDevil Bob on September 07, 2012, 08:53:44 PM
Quote from: footballfan413 on September 07, 2012, 11:06:34 AM
retagent has a big problem with the , "goes both ways," thing.  I am working on it because under that gruff exterior, I think he kind of likes me.   ;)

We all kinda like you 413. ;)
Ah shucks, BDB, thanks.  But truth is, it's pretty easy to turn you boy's heads.  All a girl has to do is know a strong side from a weak side, 3-4 from a 4-3 defenses, West Coast from a Wildcat offense, Cover 1 from a Cover 2, nickel back from a running back, etc.  Simple, really................ ;) :D ;D
"Of course, that's just my opinion, I could be wrong!"  Dennis Miller

"Three things you don't want to be in football, slow, small and friendly!"  John Madden

"You can learn more character on the two-yard line than anywhere else in
life." Paul Dietzel / LSU

badgerwarhawk

Quote from: emma17 on September 08, 2012, 12:45:24 PM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on September 08, 2012, 10:26:07 AM
WHITEWATER'S strip mall includes Chinese carryout, a bicycle store and Verizon Wireless.  The old Sentry store was converted to a strip mall and it includes a Chinese buffet, Jimmy Johns, LA Tan, a Mexican restaurant, dollar store and a vacant store front.  The four screened movie theater is just icing on the cake.   

If that doesn't draw recruits like flies to sugar I have no clue what would.

I was always kind of partial to Dale's Bootery.


That's on the second block of our two block downtown.
"Strange days have found us.  Strange days have tracked us down." .... J. Morrison

voice

Quote from: badgerwarhawk on September 08, 2012, 03:40:59 PM
Quote from: emma17 on September 08, 2012, 12:45:24 PM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on September 08, 2012, 10:26:07 AM
WHITEWATER'S strip mall includes Chinese carryout, a bicycle store and Verizon Wireless.  The old Sentry store was converted to a strip mall and it includes a Chinese buffet, Jimmy Johns, LA Tan, a Mexican restaurant, dollar store and a vacant store front.  The four screened movie theater is just icing on the cake.   

If that doesn't draw recruits like flies to sugar I have no clue what would.

I was always kind of partial to Dale's Bootery.


That's on the second block of our two block downtown.

Let's not forget the Brass Rail!!

hazzben

SJU 28 - 14 UWEC

UWEC has the ball deep in Johnnie territory.