FB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[bleedpurple]

Very sorry to hear Josh Williams (RB) is gone......he would have been a good one......opens up a spot next year for another FIB stud hopefully....

I was sorry to hear he left as well.  I mostly feel like it's a missed opportunity for Josh.  I always feel like staying with a commitment and fighting through adversity is so good for a young man's character development.  Deciding to transfer after the first year is one thing.  Leaving a couple days after training camp breaks is something else altogether.  I'm not judging him or his decision, just generally speaking, that's how I feel.  I wish him well and hope things work out for him at Elmhurst. 

As far as UW-W is concerned, I believe they will be just fine.   I have a feeling none of us quite understand how good these running backs are.  My sense is they are really good.  Hopefully, we get a glimpse the next couple of weeks.

Sounds like you're talking about one of my all-time favorites - A. Anderson!!  The definition of team-player should include a picture of him. UWW wouldn't be in the position it is today without his sacrifice and committment to his teammates. Sure, he has the rings today, but one day, he will (should) be recognized officially for the effort into making this team great, IMO!!

AA would be a great example of what I'm talking about.  He demonstrated great character while at UW-W and he definitely is a big part of where UW-W is positioned today.  I would guess that all he experienced at UW-W (and I mean about himself mostly, not the championships) will be a great benefit to him over his lifetime.  He showed great resolve and a lot of class as a Warhawk.  I have no doubt the level of respect his teammates had for him.  We all face adversity in our lifetime. I like AA's chances of conquering whatever life throws his way.

[02 Warhawk]

So this is the Entitlement Generation I'm hearing so much about.  But of course, that's not everyone.

But I agree with bleed...there seems to be a good amount of young talent at that position. No worries!

[footballfan413]

Very sorry to hear Josh Williams (RB) is gone......he would have been a good one......opens up a spot next year for another FIB stud hopefully....

I was sorry to hear he left as well.  I mostly feel like it's a missed opportunity for Josh.  I always feel like staying with a commitment and fighting through adversity is so good for a young man's character development.  Deciding to transfer after the first year is one thing.  Leaving a couple days after training camp breaks is something else altogether.  I'm not judging him or his decision, just generally speaking, that's how I feel.  I wish him well and hope things work out for him at Elmhurst. 

As far as UW-W is concerned, I believe they will be just fine.   I have a feeling none of us quite understand how good these running backs are.  My sense is they are really good.  Hopefully, we get a glimpse the next couple of weeks.

Sounds like you're talking about one of my all-time favorites - A. Anderson!!  The definition of team-player should include a picture of him. UWW wouldn't be in the position it is today without his sacrifice and committment to his teammates. Sure, he has the rings today, but one day, he will (should) be recognized officially for the effort into making this team great, IMO!!

AA would be a great example of what I'm talking about.  He demonstrated great character while at UW-W and he definitely is a big part of where UW-W is positioned today.  I would guess that all he experienced at UW-W (and I mean about himself mostly, not the championships) will be a great benefit to him over his lifetime.  He showed great resolve and a lot of class as a Warhawk.  I have no doubt the level of respect his teammates had for him.  We all face adversity in our lifetime. I like AA's chances of conquering whatever life throws his way.

I understand and appreciate everything you guys are saying about the level of character it shows when a player wants and is willing to accept his role with the team and wait his turn, whatever that is, whether starter or role player, etc.  But what could be implied in these extraordinary compliments for AA combined with the questioning of Josh Williams is that, when a player makes the decision to leave, he is somehow suspect regarding his motives or character.  Many factors enter into the choices these players make and it is very personal and complicated, I am sure.  Leaving after camp is a bit unusual, I agree, but they only have 4 eligible years and a dream to play college football, not watch.  He might have been uncomfortable with his decision to come to UWW for reasons having nothing to do with football.   Only he knows what is best for him. Just another perspective. 

[bleedpurple]

Very sorry to hear Josh Williams (RB) is gone......he would have been a good one......opens up a spot next year for another FIB stud hopefully....

I was sorry to hear he left as well.  I mostly feel like it's a missed opportunity for Josh.  I always feel like staying with a commitment and fighting through adversity is so good for a young man's character development.  Deciding to transfer after the first year is one thing.  Leaving a couple days after training camp breaks is something else altogether.  I'm not judging him or his decision, just generally speaking, that's how I feel.  I wish him well and hope things work out for him at Elmhurst. 

As far as UW-W is concerned, I believe they will be just fine.   I have a feeling none of us quite understand how good these running backs are.  My sense is they are really good.  Hopefully, we get a glimpse the next couple of weeks.

Sounds like you're talking about one of my all-time favorites - A. Anderson!!  The definition of team-player should include a picture of him. UWW wouldn't be in the position it is today without his sacrifice and committment to his teammates. Sure, he has the rings today, but one day, he will (should) be recognized officially for the effort into making this team great, IMO!!

AA would be a great example of what I'm talking about.  He demonstrated great character while at UW-W and he definitely is a big part of where UW-W is positioned today.  I would guess that all he experienced at UW-W (and I mean about himself mostly, not the championships) will be a great benefit to him over his lifetime.  He showed great resolve and a lot of class as a Warhawk.  I have no doubt the level of respect his teammates had for him.  We all face adversity in our lifetime. I like AA's chances of conquering whatever life throws his way.

I understand and appreciate everything you guys are saying about the level of character it shows when a player wants and is willing to accept his role with the team and wait his turn, whatever that is, whether starter or role player, etc.  But what could be implied in these extraordinary compliments for AA combined with the questioning of Josh Williams is that, when a player makes the decision to leave, he is somehow suspect regarding his motives or character.  Many factors enter into the choices these players make and it is very personal and complicated, I am sure.  Leaving after camp is a bit unusual, I agree, but they only have 4 eligible years and a dream to play college football, not watch.  He might have been uncomfortable with his decision to come to UWW for reasons having nothing to do with football.   Only he knows what is best for him. Just another perspective.

I think this is a great perspective and gives me a chance to clarify.  None of my comments after my first post were meant to reflect on Josh at all.  I don't know him and that's why a couple of sentences after the one you bolded, I said "I'm not judging him or his decision, just generally speaking, that's how I feel. I wish him well and hope things work out for him at Elmhurst."  My further comments were an amplification of my statement within that post of the opportunity that presents itself with adversity, NOT implying anything at all about Josh.  I do feel like he missed an opportunity.  But I'm also sure he will have many more! 

Again, I agree with the premise of your post and appreciate you giving me the opportunity to clarify.

[02 Warhawk]

Great points FF413

If UWW can continue its success, I have a fealing we're going to see this happen more and more during each preseason. This has been going on at Mount Union for years now, where a ton of high school talent will show up for preseason only to transfer out because they feel they can receive more playing time at another program. Which they can and do.

It is a problem for football programs, because you never want to see someone transfer out especially if they received high accolades in high school. However, it's a good problem to have because it means your roster is loaded with depth. Tough competition in preseason is a great thing for football programs going into a season.

[bleedpurple]

Great points FF413

If UWW can continue its success, I have a fealing we're going to see this happen more and more during each preseason. This has been going on at Mount Union for years now, where a ton of high school talent will show up for preseason only to transfer out because they feel they can receive more playing time at another program. Which they can and do.

It is a problem for football programs, because you never want to see someone transfer out especially if they received high accolades in high school. However, it's a good problem to have because it means your roster is loaded with depth. Tough competition in preseason is a great thing for football programs going into a season.

It really is good for the team.  UW-W really pounds each other, too.  It's funny to say after one week of the actual season, but last week's bye actually came at a good time.  I know a lot of the kids had a chance to go home for the weekend.  Should be a fresh team, ready to go on Saturday. 

[BoBo]

Very sorry to hear Josh Williams (RB) is gone......he would have been a good one......opens up a spot next year for another FIB stud hopefully....

I was sorry to hear he left as well.  I mostly feel like it's a missed opportunity for Josh.  I always feel like staying with a commitment and fighting through adversity is so good for a young man's character development.  Deciding to transfer after the first year is one thing.  Leaving a couple days after training camp breaks is something else altogether.  I'm not judging him or his decision, just generally speaking, that's how I feel.  I wish him well and hope things work out for him at Elmhurst. 

As far as UW-W is concerned, I believe they will be just fine.   I have a feeling none of us quite understand how good these running backs are.  My sense is they are really good.  Hopefully, we get a glimpse the next couple of weeks.

Sounds like you're talking about one of my all-time favorites - A. Anderson!!  The definition of team-player should include a picture of him. UWW wouldn't be in the position it is today without his sacrifice and committment to his teammates. Sure, he has the rings today, but one day, he will (should) be recognized officially for the effort into making this team great, IMO!!

AA would be a great example of what I'm talking about.  He demonstrated great character while at UW-W and he definitely is a big part of where UW-W is positioned today.  I would guess that all he experienced at UW-W (and I mean about himself mostly, not the championships) will be a great benefit to him over his lifetime.  He showed great resolve and a lot of class as a Warhawk.  I have no doubt the level of respect his teammates had for him.  We all face adversity in our lifetime. I like AA's chances of conquering whatever life throws his way.

I understand and appreciate everything you guys are saying about the level of character it shows when a player wants and is willing to accept his role with the team and wait his turn, whatever that is, whether starter or role player, etc.  But what could be implied in these extraordinary compliments for AA combined with the questioning of Josh Williams is that, when a player makes the decision to leave, he is somehow suspect regarding his motives or character.  Many factors enter into the choices these players make and it is very personal and complicated, I am sure.  Leaving after camp is a bit unusual, I agree, but they only have 4 eligible years and a dream to play college football, not watch.  He might have been uncomfortable with his decision to come to UWW for reasons having nothing to do with football.   Only he knows what is best for him. Just another perspective.

I read a statement...it reminded me of the career of a former player...I mentioned that and complimented the former player...413 uses the duck test to reach a conclusion --- last time I compliment a player!!   

[footballfan413]

Very sorry to hear Josh Williams (RB) is gone......he would have been a good one......opens up a spot next year for another FIB stud hopefully....

I was sorry to hear he left as well.  I mostly feel like it's a missed opportunity for Josh.  I always feel like staying with a commitment and fighting through adversity is so good for a young man's character development.  Deciding to transfer after the first year is one thing.  Leaving a couple days after training camp breaks is something else altogether.  I'm not judging him or his decision, just generally speaking, that's how I feel.  I wish him well and hope things work out for him at Elmhurst. 

As far as UW-W is concerned, I believe they will be just fine.   I have a feeling none of us quite understand how good these running backs are.  My sense is they are really good.  Hopefully, we get a glimpse the next couple of weeks.

Sounds like you're talking about one of my all-time favorites - A. Anderson!!  The definition of team-player should include a picture of him. UWW wouldn't be in the position it is today without his sacrifice and committment to his teammates. Sure, he has the rings today, but one day, he will (should) be recognized officially for the effort into making this team great, IMO!!

AA would be a great example of what I'm talking about.  He demonstrated great character while at UW-W and he definitely is a big part of where UW-W is positioned today.  I would guess that all he experienced at UW-W (and I mean about himself mostly, not the championships) will be a great benefit to him over his lifetime.  He showed great resolve and a lot of class as a Warhawk.  I have no doubt the level of respect his teammates had for him.  We all face adversity in our lifetime. I like AA's chances of conquering whatever life throws his way.

I understand and appreciate everything you guys are saying about the level of character it shows when a player wants and is willing to accept his role with the team and wait his turn, whatever that is, whether starter or role player, etc.  But what could be implied in these extraordinary compliments for AA combined with the questioning of Josh Williams is that, when a player makes the decision to leave, he is somehow suspect regarding his motives or character.  Many factors enter into the choices these players make and it is very personal and complicated, I am sure.  Leaving after camp is a bit unusual, I agree, but they only have 4 eligible years and a dream to play college football, not watch.  He might have been uncomfortable with his decision to come to UWW for reasons having nothing to do with football.   Only he knows what is best for him. Just another perspective.

I read a statement...it reminded me of the career of a former player...I mentioned that and complimented the former player...413 uses the duck test to reach a conclusion --- last time I compliment a player!!   

Oh, I surely hope not!  The respect that AA earned from all of you, and the young man himself, deserves to be remembered!  And BP, I understand that you made it very clear when, referring to Josh, that you were not, "judging him or his decision."  My comment stemmed from what could be implied with the the entirety of the conversation which is why I mentioned, "the combination."  Maybe my reaction came from a place of having had a player and years of posting on here before anyone knew who I was.  It has made me even more sensitive and cautious about anything said about a specific player, maybe to a fault, because you guys are the best and I know you feel the same way.  Just pointing out that this stuff is going to happen and has been happening even before this team rose to the elite level.  If my son had felt, after his first camp in 03, that he was not going to be able to earn the kind of playing time that he envisioned for himself, he would have packed his bags as well, I have no doubt.  Well, maybe not right out of camp but he would have transferred out at some point, for sure.  It was that important to him.  A friend of mine who was inducted to the Illinois HS basketball Hall of Fame several years ago, tells a great story.  He went into his coaches office one day to complain about the the fact that the coach had him playing point guard instead making him a shooting guard like he was in HS.  He said, Coach, I averaged 22 points a game in HS."  The coach told him to look out on the basketball court and said............... "everybody out there use to average 22 points a game in HS!"
    Again, my main objective was to point out that these choices are very individual and complicated and only the player knows what is best for him, not to call you guys out.  I hope we're cool!   

[02 Warhawk]

Who's coming out to the Perk Saturday? Looks like it's going to be a beaut of a day.

75 degrees and sunny

[Pat Coleman]

Who's coming out to the Perk Saturday? Looks like it's going to be a beaut of a day.

75 degrees and sunny

I will be there.

[02 Warhawk]

Who's coming out to the Perk Saturday? Looks like it's going to be a beaut of a day.

75 degrees and sunny

I will be there.

Oh, very cool. How early you plan on coming?

You're welcome to stop by our tailgating area for an Italian Suasage.

[MasterJedi]

I'll certainly be at this game. Haven't missed a home game since 2008! 

[Pat Coleman]

Who's coming out to the Perk Saturday? Looks like it's going to be a beaut of a day.

75 degrees and sunny

I will be there.

Oh, very cool. How early you plan on coming?

You're welcome to stop by our tailgating area for an Italian Suasage.

Thanks. I'm flying to O'Hare on Friday because I got a great fare a couple months ago. Then I'll be seeing Albion play Benedictine in the evening.

It's so hard for me to drive to Whitewater for a regular season game. The rest of the site suffers because I spend so much time driving.

[emma17]

Great posts on the running back J Williams.  In all the posts I read I didn't feel anybody questioned or judged Josh's character and 413 introduced the other side of the coin- all good stuff.

My point in the post I made was simply that at Josh Willliam's best, he is not a 6th string running back.  In fact, IMO at his best he was going to be a UWW superstar.  It is unfortunate that something(s) else, besides his natural gifted ability, came into play here.  I understand and agree that the coaching staff had to make a roster decision based on the camp he had and not what "Josh Williams would look like at his best". 

Both UWW and Josh will be fine apart- I think we would have seem something pretty special if they were able to work it out together.     

[emma17]

Very sorry to hear Josh Williams (RB) is gone......he would have been a good one......opens up a spot next year for another FIB stud hopefully....

I was sorry to hear he left as well.  I mostly feel like it's a missed opportunity for Josh.  I always feel like staying with a commitment and fighting through adversity is so good for a young man's character development.  Deciding to transfer after the first year is one thing.  Leaving a couple days after training camp breaks is something else altogether.  I'm not judging him or his decision, just generally speaking, that's how I feel.  I wish him well and hope things work out for him at Elmhurst. 

As far as UW-W is concerned, I believe they will be just fine.   I have a feeling none of us quite understand how good these running backs are.  My sense is they are really good.  Hopefully, we get a glimpse the next couple of weeks.

Sounds like you're talking about one of my all-time favorites - A. Anderson!!  The definition of team-player should include a picture of him. UWW wouldn't be in the position it is today without his sacrifice and committment to his teammates. Sure, he has the rings today, but one day, he will (should) be recognized officially for the effort into making this team great, IMO!!

Right there with you on AA Bobo. 
Besides being an incredible #2 to Coppage in 2008 and 2009, he had to spend his last season watching Coppage and Stanley in 2010.  Ouch.