FB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[Barber Greene]

Congrats to Buffalo State on the win.  They showed a lot of team speed. They were also in the Hawk backfield a lot on running plays.  The Hawk passing game needs more consistency.  If there were a game to lose, it seems like this one hurts the Warhawks playoff chances the least.  It has no bearing on the conference championship and is not a regional game and does not affect regional rankings.  Am I correct on this?

[voice]

Championship Defense

Horrible offense...they suck

It was a good 7 year run. Congrats mount union, ur back on top.

[hazzben]

Congrats to Buffalo State on the win.  They showed a lot of team speed. They were also in the Hawk backfield a lot on running plays.  The Hawk passing game needs more consistency.  If there were a game to lose, it seems like this one hurts the Warhawks playoff chances the least.  It has no bearing on the conference championship and is not a regional game and does not affect regional rankings.  Am I correct on this?

Yes and no. It's definitely better to lose early and out of region, but it can still affect your regional ranking and seeding. See below:

These are the selection (and seeding) criteria:

The following primary criteria (not in priority order) will be reviewed:
• Win-loss percentage against regional opponents.
• Strength-of-schedule (only contests versus regional competition).
- Opponents’ Average Winning Percentage (OWP).
- Opponents’ Opponents’ Average Winning Percentage (OOWP).
• In-region head-to-head competition.
• In-region results versus common regional opponents.
• In-region results versus regionally ranked teams.

If the evaluation of the primary criteria does not result in a decision by the committee, the following secondary criteria (for ranking and selections) will be evaluated:
• Out-of region head-to-head competition.
• Overall Division III won-loss percentage.
• Results versus common non-Division III opponents.
• Results versus all Division III ranked teams.
• Overall win-loss percentage.
• Results versus all common opponents.
• Overall Division III strength of schedule
• Should a committee find that evaluation of a team’s win-loss percentage during the last 25 percent of the season is applicable (i.e., end of season performance), it may adopt such criteria with approval from the championships committee.

New for 2011: When all criteria are equal among teams with undefeated records in the primary criteria, the NCAA Division III Football Committee can use a team’s performance in the previous championship season as criterion.

Additionally, input is provided by regional advisory committees for consideration by the Division III football committee. In order to be considered for selection for Pools B or C, an institution must play at least 50 percent of its competition against Division III in-region opponents. Coaches’ polls and/or any other outside polls or rankings are not used as a selection criterion by the football committee for selection purposes.

It's definitely the best loss in terms of primary criteria. But if this is the same criteria used for Regional Rankings (and I believe it is, Pat or someone correct me if I'm wrong) then it could affect them in secondary criteria.

So, obviously if UWW finishes unbeaten they secure a Pool A. However, if any IIAC, NWC or MIAC teams, etc. finish unbeaten, their secondary criteria would be stronger in terms of the italicized portions. It's too early to evaluate how these teams will stack in primary criteria.

If I'm reading this correctly, it means if hypothetically Coe, UST/Bethel, and Linfield all finished 10-0 and UWW finished 9-1 they'd all get their conferences Pool A bid. But the IIAC, MIAC and NWC champs could potentially be seeded ahead of UWW as the WIAC champ if the primary criteria doesn't put UWW ahead.

It helps UWW if there isn't carnage in the WIAC and one or two other WIAC teams are ranked regionally at the end of the season. This will be a big boost in primary criteria. It would also help if there was chaos in the MIAC and NWC that precluded either conference from multiple regionally ranked teams. As this would diminish their potential champs primary criteria.

Clear as mud! Long story short, better to lose to BSU. But it could still potentially hurt UWW. You really need to become big UWP, UWO and BSU fans. If UWP and UWO finish 8-2 and 9-1 either way with each losing to UWW, they'll probably be ranked regionally. And if BSU finishes strong this helps diminish the damage of the loss.

[Barber Greene]

Thanks hazzben.  Obviously there is a lot of football left to be played and a lot of things can happen with every team.  The Warhawks have some things to work on.  Establishing an offensive identity and consistency is one thing.  Kind of reminds me of the 2008 team that had to establish an identity of its own after the Beaver era had ended. Now we are in the post Coppage era

[02 Warhawk]

Gotta love bleedpurple, he's my polar opposite. While I'm guilty of the sky-is-falling, knee-jerk-reaction post out of frustration....he puts sense back into me.

[kubiack78]

Here's how it should go (I hope)... get mad, reality check, work your ass off, win the WAIC, get to the playoffs, win , win, win.

[WarhawkDad]

Gotta love bleedpurple, he's my polar opposite. While I'm guilty of the sky-is-falling, knee-jerk-reaction post out of frustration....he puts sense back into me.

LOL, yeah I read your first post, personally felt similar, and then read bleedpurple's and immediately decided not to post what I was thinking.  With that said, there is a lot of work to be done.

WHD

[retagent]

No smart talk from me. UWW had an amazing run. I'm surprised they lost one here. Next week - start a new streak. Like they say in golf, you can't birdie 'em all, unless you birdie the first. I'm sure you'll have things going for Playoff time. You don't build a team like this that won't bounce back.

[kubiack78]

+K Retagent

[kubiack78]

I am looking forward to next week,  it will be the first time since 2005 that I will be able to attend a WW game (Wesley Playoff game  KABOOM).  That and a bunch of my former teamates are having a huge tailgate due to the Brez thing.  should be a good time.  only a 8 hr drive... totally worth it!!!!

[02 Warhawk]

Gotta love bleedpurple, he's my polar opposite. While I'm guilty of the sky-is-falling, knee-jerk-reaction post out of frustration....he puts sense back into me.

LOL, yeah I read your first post, personally felt similar, and then read bleedpurple's and immediately decided not to post what I was thinking.  With that said, there is a lot of work to be done.

WHD

That's what I get for posting minutes after the game at a local whitewater bar.

[gbpuckfan]

Non conference final

UW LaCrosse 7
UW Oshkosh 16

UWO outgained UWL 407-102

Very strange stat line. Were there a lot of penalties and turnovers in the redzone?

Ps. I hate the new auto correct feature. There've been about a half dozen posts in last week where I used football shorthand and/or jargon, posted, and then realized the program had auto corrected me to a different word. I.e. 'yds' keeps becoming 'yes'

Nope. Stifling defense by UWO forces LaX to punt on 9 of 12 possessions. Only 1 turnover, that by UwO

[hazzben]

Non conference final

UW LaCrosse 7
UW Oshkosh 16

UWO outgained UWL 407-102

Very strange stat line. Were there a lot of penalties and turnovers in the redzone?

Ps. I hate the new auto correct feature. There've been about a half dozen posts in last week where I used football shorthand and/or jargon, posted, and then realized the program had auto corrected me to a different word. I.e. 'yds' keeps becoming 'yes'

Nope. Stifling defense by UWO forces LaX to punt on 9 of 12 possessions. Only 1 turnover, that by UwO

Interesting. I was wondering if UWO had more turnovers or redzone miscues thought, not LaX. 407 yds is a lot of offense for only 16 points.

[02 Warhawk]

Non conference final

UW LaCrosse 7
UW Oshkosh 16

UWO outgained UWL 407-102

Very strange stat line. Were there a lot of penalties and turnovers in the redzone?

Ps. I hate the new auto correct feature. There've been about a half dozen posts in last week where I used football shorthand and/or jargon, posted, and then realized the program had auto corrected me to a different word. I.e. 'yds' keeps becoming 'yes'

Nope. Stifling defense by UWO forces LaX to punt on 9 of 12 possessions. Only 1 turnover, that by UwO

Interesting. I was wondering if UWO had more turnovers or redzone miscues thought, not LaX. 407 yds is a lot of offense for only 16 points.

Buffalo St had over 300 yards of offense, but only had 7 points today.

[hazzben]

Non conference final

UW LaCrosse 7
UW Oshkosh 16

UWO outgained UWL 407-102

Very strange stat line. Were there a lot of penalties and turnovers in the redzone?

Ps. I hate the new auto correct feature. There've been about a half dozen posts in last week where I used football shorthand and/or jargon, posted, and then realized the program had auto corrected me to a different word. I.e. 'yds' keeps becoming 'yes'

Nope. Stifling defense by UWO forces LaX to punt on 9 of 12 possessions. Only 1 turnover, that by UwO

Interesting. I was wondering if UWO had more turnovers or redzone miscues thought, not LaX. 407 yds is a lot of offense for only 16 points.

Buffalo St had over 300 yards of offense, but only had 7 points today.

They missed a few FG's though right? That's the sort of redzone miscues that make sense of a 300 yd day and only 7 points.