FB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[footballfan413]

All you boys are missing the bigger picture here.  I have Rodgers and the Pack DEFENSE on my fantasy team and was in a close game.  Their lousy play and that blown call, especially, cost me a win!  I needed that INT.............   

[retagent]

Let me add my voice to the others about how bad the Packers got jobbed. As I Viking fan who has seen his share of bad calls go against THEM, there is no excuse. wrdad is correct on the simultaneous possession rule. It has to be simultaneous, not later that day. And the missed interference call, whew!

[WarhawkDad]

I had some idle time on my hands tonight so I decided to do some comparison of who the Pioneers have played so far this year against UWW using the NCAA statistics.   While Platteville currently has the #3 Passing and #3 Scoring offense, they have achieved that against the following:

Buena Vista;  #230 in Total Defense, #231 in Passing Efficiency Defense, and #236 in Scoring Defense
Dubuque;       #204 in Total Defense, #226 in Passing Efficiency Defense, and #226 in Scoring Defense
Wisc, E.C.;      #206 in Total Defense,  #223 in Passing Efficiency Defense, and #198 in Scoring Defense

UWW;             #13 in Total Defense,  #12 in Passing Efficiency Defense, and #7 in Scoring Defense


As far as offense Buena Vista is ranked 230 in Total Offense and they scored 13 pts against UWP, Dubuque is rated 28 in Total Offense and scored 35 points and Eau Claire is ranked 104 in Total Offense and scored 19 points.

This just confirms what we all know, it will be the UWP offense against the UWW defense.  From a game planning standpoint, UWW has to "Pound the Rock".  Eau Claire ranked 98th in rushing ran for 178 yards on 36 carries against UWP.   UWW currently ranks 37 in rushing.   So WarhawkDad says a ball control take time off the clock offense pounding the rock, mixed with a sound passing attack can keep UWP off the field.    Against UWSP, UWW had a tremendous 36 minute to 23 minute time of possession advantage.

Lastly UWW has to protect the ball and continue to get takeaways.   A surprising statistic is that Platteville currently leads the WIAC in turnover margin, not so much from the number of takeaways, but they have only lost one fumble.

Really looking forward to this game!

WarhawkDad

One thing to remember is that for each of those teams have played one-third of their games against Platteville, so those numbers are going to be bad just because of that. But BVU, for sure, is pretty far down the pecking order.

Pat

You are absolutely correct and I knew that while putting it together, but still thought it interesting. 

WHD

[WarhawkDad]

Possession of the ball should have been irrelevant.  Tate clearly shoves Shields and should have been flagged for pass interference.  These clowns who are officiating are simply put a bad joke.  The overwhelming majority of them are not competent to officiate at this level.  Goddell has got to get an agreement worked out with the regular officials to get them back on the field or the NFL is going to suffer.

Could not agree more. (And this coming from a Bears Fan!)   The entire sequence was called absolutely wrong......it was pass interference, there was no dual possession; Tate was a late arriver to the possession party and this whole replacement referee thing needs to be resolved.   Only saving grace is that these guys actually made the officials at the UWW/UWSP game look good!   

WarhawkDad

[ncc58]

I read that the replay official and the replay supervisor are not replacements. It's their job to give guidance to the on field referee. It's not clear what they may be said to the referee.

I also read that in week 1, 65% of the calls went for the home team. Just another example is replacement referees showing bias towards home teams?

On Hail Mary plays, there is always pass interference when you have 5 or more players fighting for the ball. And, it never gets called.

I also read that Governor Scott Walker found a union that he likes - he's calling for a return of the union refs.

As a hard core Bear fan, the Packers got jobbed. But they've gotten their fair share of calls over the years.

[hazzben]

Jennings clearly has possession first. Two hands on the ball and it's pinned to his chest. Tate has one hand and is behind and to the side of Jennings. In effect, Jennings shoulder and back are between Tate and the ball.

Now, does Tate come up with the ball in the end. Sure. After a scrum and what looks like 6 seahawks clawing away. Bottom line, this simply wasn't an instance of simultaneous possession.

And Tate hammered Shields with offensive PI. And the terrible call on the sideline that called PI when the DB had perfect position on Sidney Rice, a spot foul.

Bad all around.

[AO]

Jennings clearly has possession first. Two hands on the ball and it's pinned to his chest. Tate has one hand and is behind and to the side of Jennings. In effect, Jennings shoulder and back are between Tate and the ball.

Now, does Tate come up with the ball in the end. Sure. After a scrum and what looks like 6 seahawks clawing away. Bottom line, this simply wasn't an instance of simultaneous possession.

And Tate hammered Shields with offensive PI. And the terrible call on the sideline that called PI when the DB had perfect position on Sidney Rice, a spot foul.

Bad all around.

The only time Jennings shoulder and back are between Tate and the ball is after the catch while they're rolling on the ground.  That wouldn't matter anyway.  There's no rule that says if one guy has the ball against his chest while the other guy just has control by way of his one arm that the guy with the ball closest to his chest gets sole credit for possession, it just isn't in the rules.   Tate's control is constant throughout the catch. 

[wartknight]

Agreed that last sequence was crazy; fans are going to argue both ways depending on who you route for..... I propose the only fair thing to do - Since the Packers only TD  drive included a bad PI call that kept the drive alive, take that TD away & the final Seahawk TD, & adjust the score accordingly. Seattle wins 7-6!

[badgerwarhawk]

Jennings clearly has possession first. Two hands on the ball and it's pinned to his chest. Tate has one hand and is behind and to the side of Jennings. In effect, Jennings shoulder and back are between Tate and the ball.

Now, does Tate come up with the ball in the end. Sure. After a scrum and what looks like 6 seahawks clawing away. Bottom line, this simply wasn't an instance of simultaneous possession.

And Tate hammered Shields with offensive PI. And the terrible call on the sideline that called PI when the DB had perfect position on Sidney Rice, a spot foul.

Bad all around.

The only time Jennings shoulder and back are between Tate and the ball is after the catch while they're rolling on the ground.  That wouldn't matter anyway.  There's no rule that says if one guy has the ball against his chest while the other guy just has control by way of his one arm that the guy with the ball closest to his chest gets sole credit for possession, it just isn't in the rules.   Tate's control is constant throughout the catch. 

If that's the case then would you care to explain why one of the two officials, the first one to reach the pile, ruled the play a touchback and validated Jennings control? 

[AO]

Jennings clearly has possession first. Two hands on the ball and it's pinned to his chest. Tate has one hand and is behind and to the side of Jennings. In effect, Jennings shoulder and back are between Tate and the ball.

Now, does Tate come up with the ball in the end. Sure. After a scrum and what looks like 6 seahawks clawing away. Bottom line, this simply wasn't an instance of simultaneous possession.

And Tate hammered Shields with offensive PI. And the terrible call on the sideline that called PI when the DB had perfect position on Sidney Rice, a spot foul.

Bad all around.

The only time Jennings shoulder and back are between Tate and the ball is after the catch while they're rolling on the ground.  That wouldn't matter anyway.  There's no rule that says if one guy has the ball against his chest while the other guy just has control by way of his one arm that the guy with the ball closest to his chest gets sole credit for possession, it just isn't in the rules.   Tate's control is constant throughout the catch. 

If that's the case then would you care to explain why one of the two officials, the first one to reach the pile, ruled the play a touchback and validated Jennings control?

Because he was behind the players not in position to see Tate's control.  The guy who called the TD is the one standing at the goal-line pylon with the best view of the ball and all hands.

[kubiack78]

Jennings clearly has possession first. Two hands on the ball and it's pinned to his chest. Tate has one hand and is behind and to the side of Jennings. In effect, Jennings shoulder and back are between Tate and the ball.

Now, does Tate come up with the ball in the end. Sure. After a scrum and what looks like 6 seahawks clawing away. Bottom line, this simply wasn't an instance of simultaneous possession.

And Tate hammered Shields with offensive PI. And the terrible call on the sideline that called PI when the DB had perfect position on Sidney Rice, a spot foul.

Bad all around.

The only time Jennings shoulder and back are between Tate and the ball is after the catch while they're rolling on the ground.  That wouldn't matter anyway.  There's no rule that says if one guy has the ball against his chest while the other guy just has control by way of his one arm that the guy with the ball closest to his chest gets sole credit for possession, it just isn't in the rules.   Tate's control is constant throughout the catch. 

If that's the case then would you care to explain why one of the two officials, the first one to reach the pile, ruled the play a touchback and validated Jennings control?

Because he was behind the players not in position to see Tate's control.  The guy who called the TD is the one standing at the goal-line pylon with the best view of the ball and all hands.

Well he must be blind because he missed the Offensive PI right in front of him with Tate shoving the DB while the ball was in the air.

[badgerwarhawk]

Also the replay shows that the players twisted away from that official and towards the other one.  So which of the two have the better view?

[02 Warhawk]

Jennings clearly has possession first. Two hands on the ball and it's pinned to his chest. Tate has one hand and is behind and to the side of Jennings. In effect, Jennings shoulder and back are between Tate and the ball.

Now, does Tate come up with the ball in the end. Sure. After a scrum and what looks like 6 seahawks clawing away. Bottom line, this simply wasn't an instance of simultaneous possession.

And Tate hammered Shields with offensive PI. And the terrible call on the sideline that called PI when the DB had perfect position on Sidney Rice, a spot foul.

Bad all around.

The only time Jennings shoulder and back are between Tate and the ball is after the catch while they're rolling on the ground.  That wouldn't matter anyway.  There's no rule that says if one guy has the ball against his chest while the other guy just has control by way of his one arm that the guy with the ball closest to his chest gets sole credit for possession, it just isn't in the rules.   Tate's control is constant throughout the catch. 

If that's the case then would you care to explain why one of the two officials, the first one to reach the pile, ruled the play a touchback and validated Jennings control?

Because he was behind the players not in position to see Tate's control.  The guy who called the TD is the one standing at the goal-line pylon with the best view of the ball and all hands.

I heard a poll on the news this morning that nearly 70% of SEATTLE fans believed that it was an INT.

[wartknight]

If that's the case then would you care to explain why one of the two officials, the first one to reach the pile, ruled the play a touchback and validated Jennings control?

Because he was behind the players not in position to see Tate's control.  The guy who called the TD is the one standing at the goal-line pylon with the best view of the ball and all hands.

Did the one official actually call a touchback, or just signal for stoppage of time? Did he wave his arm at his side indicating a TB?

[emma17]

I don't have any skin in last night's game so I can care less who won.  Like all of you I do care about the integrity of the league.
I imagine I saw all of the same replays that you all saw and for the life of me I don't understand how anyone can say they "clearly" saw the possession. The camera angles and mass of body parts prevent me from saying Jennings for sure had the pick/control and Tate came in later w 1 arm to wrestle it away. Again I'm not arguing for either side I'm simply saying I haven't seen a close up/ clear shot to tell the story.

If NFL refs called the game last night this same arguement (mostly) would be happening. When is the last time any of us have seen such a play?  It's unfortunate it happened w replacement refs.

As for pass interference - heck yes it was- but again- how many PI calls have you seen in Hail Mary plays?-  not many.