FB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[thrunt01]

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Sory, I accidently hit the Caps Lock, and didn't want ot go back and redo.

Ret

Not challenged....really?  You must not remember Oshkosh last year?   Other than UWW, when was the last time UMU was challenged?   There are several really good teams in the WIAC and challenge is a good thing preparing for a playoff run.  Still looking forward to seeing my friends from UMU in Salem for the 8th year in a row.  Time will tell.


WHD

Speaking of Oshkosh, with the win over UWRF yesterday and the UWP loss UWO is the only remaining unbeaten in the WIAC. NEVER thought I would EVER type those words. In other news my heart goes out to the UWP football team and their supporters. To lose not one but two QBs to the same injury in a season that could have been special (still could be I guess) is just heartbreaking.

[D O.C.]

At this point,I don't think either of us could beat Mary at home.
UMU will get the east again.

[Olinemom]

Well, I've got a room in Whitewater for the Homecoming weekend so now I need to organize my airplane ticket and rental car, and bake some brownies to send ahead of me.  (I'm damned if some TSA officer is going to get treats I bake for the team or for the parking lot festivities!!) Oh and I plan on calling the ticket office tomorrow re a ticket and a handicapped ticket for the car.  Have I forgotten anything?  Earplugs for the cannon and on top, earmuffs for the cold.  I'm really worried about cold and possible snow.  Not good at that.  Coming in on  Thursday and staying til Monday. So looking forward to my visit. I've only been in Wisconsin in early July,though so I'm a bit nervous about the weather. See you'all soon!!!

[HScoach]

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Sory, I accidently hit the Caps Lock, and didn't want ot go back and redo.

Ret

Not challenged....really?  You must not remember Oshkosh last year?   Other than UWW, when was the last time UMU was challenged?   There are several really good teams in the WIAC and challenge is a good thing preparing for a playoff run.  Still looking forward to seeing my friends from UMU in Salem for the 8th year in a row.  Time will tell.


WHD

Not sure your definition of "challenged", but if you mean played a close regular game that they could have lost but didn't, then look no further than Ohio Northern last year.  Mount 14
ONU 6


Getting back to the original statement that sent the UWW guys over the edge, I think Skunk is right.  After losing Coppage & Blanchard this isn't as strong a Whitewater team as we're used to seeing, which is expected.  You don't replace that kind of RB/QB tandem without some growing pains.  But it's still early and I fully expect to see you improve as the season goes along and be back in Salem.  Very similar to Mount last year, your defense is too good to expect anything less.

Look on the bright side, if all you ever played was Wilmington and Marietta you'd never know you had issues to fix until it was too late.  Ala Mount in 2003.  The regular season challenges are a very useful key to playoff success.  As long as you pass enough tests to qualify for the dance, the more tests in the regular season the better.

[02 Warhawk]

WIAC's Inside the Box Scores: Week Five

[retagent]

MY, MY, AREN'T WE TOUCHY. I GUESS AS A NEUTRAL OBSERVER, I DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING NASTY IN SIDEKICKS POST. SEEING AS HOW THE WARHAWKS ALREADY LOST, AND HAD A REAL SCARE YESTERDAY, WHEN IN THE PAST FEW YEARS, THEY REALLY DIDN'T EVER SEEM TO BE THREATENED, IT APPEARS AS THOUGH MANY OF YOU ARE QUESTIONING WHETHER THEY ARE AS GOOD AS THE PAST 4  - 5 YEARS. I GUESS WHEN SOMEONE OUTSIDE THE FAMILY DOES IT, IT UPSETS YOU. NOW YOU CAN EMPATHIZE A BIT.

Sory, I accidently hit the Caps Lock, and didn't want ot go back and redo.

So St. John's fans wouldn't mind if we started stating the obvious about how their program has taken a dive the past couple of seasons? I, for one, wouldn't dream of stooping that low...I have too much respect for them.

I think the Johnnie posters have that covered pretty well . It depends on how you do it. I didn't think skunk was rubbing it in, he was just stating the obvious. And he did put in an up note at the end. I know that sometimes others posts irritate, and we (I include myself) take it in a spirit that was not intended by the poster. Just trying to point that out. No harm - no foul.

[02 Warhawk]

MY, MY, AREN'T WE TOUCHY. I GUESS AS A NEUTRAL OBSERVER, I DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING NASTY IN SIDEKICKS POST. SEEING AS HOW THE WARHAWKS ALREADY LOST, AND HAD A REAL SCARE YESTERDAY, WHEN IN THE PAST FEW YEARS, THEY REALLY DIDN'T EVER SEEM TO BE THREATENED, IT APPEARS AS THOUGH MANY OF YOU ARE QUESTIONING WHETHER THEY ARE AS GOOD AS THE PAST 4  - 5 YEARS. I GUESS WHEN SOMEONE OUTSIDE THE FAMILY DOES IT, IT UPSETS YOU. NOW YOU CAN EMPATHIZE A BIT.

Sory, I accidently hit the Caps Lock, and didn't want ot go back and redo.

So St. John's fans wouldn't mind if we started stating the obvious about how their program has taken a dive the past couple of seasons? I, for one, wouldn't dream of stooping that low...I have too much respect for them.

I think the Johnnie posters have that covered pretty well . It depends on how you do it. I didn't think skunk was rubbing it in, he was just stating the obvious. And he did put in an up note at the end. I know that sometimes others posts irritate, and we (I include myself) take it in a spirit that was not intended by the poster. Just trying to point that out. No harm - no foul.

Yea, I know. That comment just took me off guard. Maybe I overreacted a bit. Which I tend to do from time to time.

[oshfb]

Speaking of Oshkosh, with the win over UWRF yesterday and the UWP loss UWO is the only remaining unbeaten in the WIAC. NEVER thought I would EVER type those words.

...but you did 

Fair enough statement based on past strong seasons:

7-3 in 2011 we lost wk 2 to UMU 41-17.
7-3 in 2007 we lost wk 4 to UWEC 21-20.
7-3 in 2005 we lost wk 4 to UWRF 13-10 (probably the most dissapointing loss I was apart of in college).

Last time UWO started 4-0 was 2003. I won't say how we finished as to not completely jinx this years squad. 

[WarhawkDad]

WIAC's Inside the Box Scores: Week Five

Well done.   Your comment about the UWRF defense is right on point.   UWO was averaging 44pts again prior to that game, although they only scored 17 on UWL.   It appears that the defenses in the WIAC are pretty stingy.

WHD.

[02 Warhawk]

In today's DIII podcast Pat and Keith had some good thoughts on the WIAC so far this year.

- They both agreed that (at this point) Oshkosh is the best team in the conference. Pat has now been to three of the four UWW games.
- If Kelly didn't get hurt Platteville wins that game.
- Brekke isn't at the same level as previous UWW QBs (Jacobs, Jones, Donovan and Blanchard). Tough time throwing the deep ball and his mobility is very limited.
- Platteville's third string QB was probably the best QB on the field (after Kelly went down of course).
- Front seven of Whitewater is one of the best in the country, but the secondary has given up some yards (bend but don't break, as I like to say).
- Whitewater will have to rely heavily on their rushing attack to make another run at the Stagg Bowl. Ward is good but not exactly the Beaver/Coppage type back. However, Pat was VERY impressed with Nick Patterson. He sees a lot of Justin Beaver in him (and he also wears No. 32).
- WIAC race will come down to Whitewater, Oshkosh, Platteville and La Crosse.
- Mary Harden Baylor is probably the favorite to meet Mount Union in the Stagg Bowl this year. They finally have a passing game to balance our their running attack.

As tough as it is to admit it, I would have to agree with all those. With maybe the exception being to include La Crosse in the conference race, unless the other three teams fall on hard times.

So I guess Whitewater will have to pull of the "upset" on homecoming     

[skunks_sidekick]

Hey hey.......I resemble that remark KD!     I mean it was after 12:00 on a Saturday night.  That is usually way past by bedtime. 

As I posted previously, I fully expected UWW to come back strong, and run the table for the rest of the regular season.  When I got home Saturday night and saw the score, I was very surprised. 

It does remind of the 2005 UMU team.  They lost to ONU, and played a couple of "not that great" games afterwards.  However, they really started playing much better in the play-offs, and beat a very good UWW team in the Stagg.

I have nothing but the utmost respect for what UWW has put together over the past 7 years.  My comment was seriously one of surprise, and did not have any "snark" in it at all.  I could have done a better job elaborating at the time, but that would have led to spelling errors, and disjointed ramblings.   

[emma17]

Bleed, I can't take it anymore, how long do I have to wait before the punishment?   I'm going to have to preempt you a bit though.

Nothing that has happened to this point of the season is proof that UWW can't win the conference title or the national championship for that matter.  Master Jedi and Voice brought up good points in comparing the similarities of the 2007 season (by most accounts, Mt was unbeatable in 2007) and the 2008 season AB (after Beaver). 

My point isn't to bring doom and gloom or to give the impression that I am off the UWW wagon or that I'm only happy with giant margins of victory.  I am a realist and I have no problem whatsoever in openly talking about areas of concern- as long as it's done with respect. 

IMO this team is very, very different from the 2007 and 2008 teams as can be compared at this point of the season.  UWW has always had an excellent defense- this year is no different and it should keep us in every game. 

The offenses of the three seasons, however, are miles apart. 
2007 featured a great running back, a play-making won't lose QB and a very talented group of wide receivers- all combined with a strong O-Line.
2008 featured an excellent running back in AA along with the rookie Coppage, a developing and then fully blooming QB in Donovan and great wide receivers- all combined with a strong O-line.
2012 features TBD at running back, TBD at QB, TBD at receivers and a good and developing O-Line. 

I don't think my analysis is off base- even though it may rub some people the wrong way.  I think we as fans are well served to recognize where this team is at.  I for one don't have the same expectations for this team because of the massive uncertainty- but I still love the Warhawks and I still have massive confidence in coach LL and the staff.

We can and should celebrate the victory over UWP and take comfort in the fight that UWW showed.  But we should also recognize that the UWW offense seriously jeopardized the outcome of that game- and if Kelly hadn't gotten hurt- who knows. 

[ScreamingEagles]

- WIAC race will come down to Whitewater, Oshkosh, Platteville and La Crosse.


As tough as it is to admit it, I would have to agree with all those. With maybe the exception being to include La Crosse in the conference race, unless the other three teams fall on hard times.

I would say it's a bit premature to include LAX in the WIAC race.  They've played well at times, but with their inconsistent offense I'm not quite a believer yet.  A strong performance and a win this weekend against Platteville would go a long way to putting UWL in the thick of the title hunt.

[WarhawkDad]

In today's DIII podcast Pat and Keith had some good thoughts on the WIAC so far this year.

- They both agreed that (at this point) Oshkosh is the best team in the conference. Pat has now been to three of the four UWW games.
- If Kelly didn't get hurt Platteville wins that game.
- Brekke isn't at the same level as previous UWW QBs (Jacobs, Jones, Donovan and Blanchard). Tough time throwing the deep ball and his mobility is very limited.
- Platteville's third string QB was probably the best QB on the field (after Kelly went down of course).
- Front seven of Whitewater is one of the best in the country, but the secondary has given up some yards (bend but don't break, as I like to say).
- Whitewater will have to rely heavily on their rushing attack to make another run at the Stagg Bowl. Ward is good but not exactly the Beaver/Coppage type back. However, Pat was VERY impressed with Nick Patterson. He sees a lot of Justin Beaver in him (and he also wears No. 32).
- WIAC race will come down to Whitewater, Oshkosh, Platteville and La Crosse.
- Mary Harden Baylor is probably the favorite to meet Mount Union in the Stagg Bowl this year. They finally have a passing game to balance our their running attack.

As tough as it is to admit it, I would have to agree with all those. With maybe the exception being to include La Crosse in the conference race, unless the other three teams fall on hard times.

So I guess Whitewater will have to pull of the "upset" on homecoming     

I want to preface this by saying that I have not had a chance to listen to the podcast yet and that I respect Pat and Keith tremendously and while I agree with much of what they are saying (if my friend 02 is accurate above), I do not agree that Platteville would have won the game if Kelly did not get hurt.   While they obviously could have, the UWW defense was coming alive after the second score and severly limiting UWP.  The momentum was beginning to swing.   I do agree with Pat's comments about Patterson.  If the coaches do chose to give him more time and he continues to attack like he did in Platteville, it could be an opportunity for the UWW offense to have the run open up the pass.   Given the scores around the WIAC this past weekend, things seem to be closer than ever and that every single game will be important.   

WHD

[WarhawkDad]

Bleed, I can't take it anymore, how long do I have to wait before the punishment?   I'm going to have to preempt you a bit though.

Nothing that has happened to this point of the season is proof that UWW can't win the conference title or the national championship for that matter.  Master Jedi and Voice brought up good points in comparing the similarities of the 2007 season (by most accounts, Mt was unbeatable in 2007) and the 2008 season AB (after Beaver). 

My point isn't to bring doom and gloom or to give the impression that I am off the UWW wagon or that I'm only happy with giant margins of victory.  I am a realist and I have no problem whatsoever in openly talking about areas of concern- as long as it's done with respect. 

IMO this team is very, very different from the 2007 and 2008 teams as can be compared at this point of the season.  UWW has always had an excellent defense- this year is no different and it should keep us in every game. 

The offenses of the three seasons, however, are miles apart. 
2007 featured a great running back, a play-making won't lose QB and a very talented group of wide receivers- all combined with a strong O-Line.
2008 featured an excellent running back in AA along with the rookie Coppage, a developing and then fully blooming QB in Donovan and great wide receivers- all combined with a strong O-line.
2012 features TBD at running back, TBD at QB, TBD at receivers and a good and developing O-Line. 

I don't think my analysis is off base- even though it may rub some people the wrong way.  I think we as fans are well served to recognize where this team is at.  I for one don't have the same expectations for this team because of the massive uncertainty- but I still love the Warhawks and I still have massive confidence in coach LL and the staff.

We can and should celebrate the victory over UWP and take comfort in the fight that UWW showed.  But we should also recognize that the UWW offense seriously jeopardized the outcome of that game- and if Kelly hadn't gotten hurt- who knows.

While this scares me...     ...I agree entirely with everything that Emma wrote.   Our execution must become more consistent.  Players must step up.  We need to see major improvement going into the game with Oshkosh and frankly given how the rest of the conference is playing, we can not look past anyone.