FB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[MasterJedi]

I think it's certainly possible Platteville would have won the game, but it's no certainty.  Kelly would have been under the same pressure that got to Corrigan.  With or without Kelly, things weren't going to come as easy for UW-P as they were the first two drives.

Doesn't experience count for anything.  Kelly was second string, but has started a fair amount of games.  You don't think he could make quicker decisions, have better feel for the pressure, etc. than someone with limited experience?  I wasn't watching the video, so I don't know if Whitewater was sending extra guys to get the pressure, but if I'm the defensive coordinator and see the third string quarterback, I'm coming with everything I have until he proves he can handle it.  Again, I don't think seeing Kelly for one more series and 6 plays (the sixth being a third and one) after the two touchdowns is enough data to conclude that Whitewater had the Kelly led Platteville offense solved.

I think it was possible UW-P would have won, but not a certainty.  I don't think UW-W necessarily had the Pioneer offense solved, but they definitely were beginning to lay big hits on Kelly before the one that knocked him out.  Just three plays prior to his injury he lay crumpled in the end zone for for a couple seconds after being smoked as he threw.  I think the defensive pressure package was there to stay at that point whether Kelly had stayed in the game or not.  Experience definitely counts and Platteville may have won if Kelly stayed in. But if you are going to run the spread offense and disregard the running game, you are exposing your quarterback to much greater risk to injury.  When UW-W cranked up the pressure, Kelly didn't survive it. This is the third major QB injury UW-P has had in less than a year and a half.  Injuries are unfortunate, but they are not always random.

You make an excellent point here Bleed.  The decision by UWP to run the offense they run, knowing full well the defense they are playing against, is a game planning decision no different than a D Coordinator deciding on a defensive scheme.  It's always unfortunate when injuries occur and I would have loved to see Kelly stay in the game because he was very good. 
In thinking back on some games it comes to mind that quite a few talented qb's have been knocked out of the game vs UWW.  We all remember AJ's hit in 2007 against LaCrosse. I think there was a similar one in a playoff game vs. one of the "W" teams that had a very good qb.  Campbellsville last year lost their qb and I'm sure there are quite a few more examples. 

I remember that game..2009 Wittenberg. That was the game when Whitewater came running out of the tunnel before kickoff, and some Wittenberg players thought it would be wise to meet Whitewater at midfield to trash talk (rather than staying on their sideline). Both sides exchanged pushes, and I'm sure some choice words were said. Not sure if that was the smartest plan of attack for them. UWW handed them their first and only loss of the season 31-13, in the playoffs.

From what I remember that game was 14-13 at the half with the QB getting knocked out right before the half and the game changed quickly after that.

[02 Warhawk]

I think it's certainly possible Platteville would have won the game, but it's no certainty.  Kelly would have been under the same pressure that got to Corrigan.  With or without Kelly, things weren't going to come as easy for UW-P as they were the first two drives.

Doesn't experience count for anything.  Kelly was second string, but has started a fair amount of games.  You don't think he could make quicker decisions, have better feel for the pressure, etc. than someone with limited experience?  I wasn't watching the video, so I don't know if Whitewater was sending extra guys to get the pressure, but if I'm the defensive coordinator and see the third string quarterback, I'm coming with everything I have until he proves he can handle it.  Again, I don't think seeing Kelly for one more series and 6 plays (the sixth being a third and one) after the two touchdowns is enough data to conclude that Whitewater had the Kelly led Platteville offense solved.

I think it was possible UW-P would have won, but not a certainty.  I don't think UW-W necessarily had the Pioneer offense solved, but they definitely were beginning to lay big hits on Kelly before the one that knocked him out.  Just three plays prior to his injury he lay crumpled in the end zone for for a couple seconds after being smoked as he threw.  I think the defensive pressure package was there to stay at that point whether Kelly had stayed in the game or not.  Experience definitely counts and Platteville may have won if Kelly stayed in. But if you are going to run the spread offense and disregard the running game, you are exposing your quarterback to much greater risk to injury.  When UW-W cranked up the pressure, Kelly didn't survive it. This is the third major QB injury UW-P has had in less than a year and a half.  Injuries are unfortunate, but they are not always random.

You make an excellent point here Bleed.  The decision by UWP to run the offense they run, knowing full well the defense they are playing against, is a game planning decision no different than a D Coordinator deciding on a defensive scheme.  It's always unfortunate when injuries occur and I would have loved to see Kelly stay in the game because he was very good. 
In thinking back on some games it comes to mind that quite a few talented qb's have been knocked out of the game vs UWW.  We all remember AJ's hit in 2007 against LaCrosse. I think there was a similar one in a playoff game vs. one of the "W" teams that had a very good qb.  Campbellsville last year lost their qb and I'm sure there are quite a few more examples. 

I remember that game..2009 Wittenberg. That was the game when Whitewater came running out of the tunnel before kickoff, and some Wittenberg players thought it would be wise to meet Whitewater at midfield to trash talk (rather than staying on their sideline). Both sides exchanged pushes, and I'm sure some choice words were said. Not sure if that was the smartest plan of attack for them. UWW handed them their first and only loss of the season 31-13, in the playoffs.

From what I remember that game was 14-13 at the half with the QB getting knocked out right before the half and the game changed quickly after that.

yep it was very close. then when their QB went down it was over for them.

[couchp54]

Well, Saturday should be a good day for the Warhawks to get back in sync on offense. River Falls gives up a ton of yards, and points.

But we'll see.

I thought the same going into last week for UWO...yet after dropping 70pts on Alma they only put up 19 against a relatively weak UWRF's team.

So what to make of this?  UWO is not as good as everyone thought?  UWRF is improving, at least defensively?  I guess after UWO/UWEC square off that will give us a better indication.  And to see what kind of fight UWRF puts up against UWW.  I don't think anything's a given in this conference.

Nothing is ever a given in the WIAC.  And if anyone thinks that's not true, they have not tried the Pick-Ems.   

I was surprised by UW-RF's success running the ball.  Their offensive line did a pretty nice job in the basic running plays. Their running game would have been sufficient had they had a dynamic passing game to go with it, which they did not. At least not against Oshkosh.  Kusliek was running for his life too often.  They did make a few plays down the middle and in the seams, where Oshkosh was vulnerable, at least on that day. 

Defensively, I was impressed with how UW-RF  swarmed to the ball. They had good pressure on Wara and did a pretty good job shutting down the inside running game of the Titans until late in the game, when they probably wore down a bit.  Their front 7 is aggressive and pretty good.  I think they may have some issues in the secondary.  The Falcons were VERY weak on the edges, where UW-O seemed like they could do whatever they wanted.  When they got outside in the running game or swung a pass in the flat, it was pretty much off to the races.  And of course Wara scrambles hurt the Falcons.

UWO is a strong team but haven't beaten a team with a winning record yet.

Central College is 2-2
UWL is 2-2 (with a loss to UWO and DII Northern Michigan)
Alma is 1-4 (they actually won the week after giving up 70pts to the Titans)
UWRF is 0-4

Thanks - I didn't realize that.  And UWEC doesn't have a winning record either, although they have played some of the top teams.  Should be interesting.

[emma17]

I think it's certainly possible Platteville would have won the game, but it's no certainty.  Kelly would have been under the same pressure that got to Corrigan.  With or without Kelly, things weren't going to come as easy for UW-P as they were the first two drives.

Doesn't experience count for anything.  Kelly was second string, but has started a fair amount of games.  You don't think he could make quicker decisions, have better feel for the pressure, etc. than someone with limited experience?  I wasn't watching the video, so I don't know if Whitewater was sending extra guys to get the pressure, but if I'm the defensive coordinator and see the third string quarterback, I'm coming with everything I have until he proves he can handle it.  Again, I don't think seeing Kelly for one more series and 6 plays (the sixth being a third and one) after the two touchdowns is enough data to conclude that Whitewater had the Kelly led Platteville offense solved.

I think it was possible UW-P would have won, but not a certainty.  I don't think UW-W necessarily had the Pioneer offense solved, but they definitely were beginning to lay big hits on Kelly before the one that knocked him out.  Just three plays prior to his injury he lay crumpled in the end zone for for a couple seconds after being smoked as he threw.  I think the defensive pressure package was there to stay at that point whether Kelly had stayed in the game or not.  Experience definitely counts and Platteville may have won if Kelly stayed in. But if you are going to run the spread offense and disregard the running game, you are exposing your quarterback to much greater risk to injury.  When UW-W cranked up the pressure, Kelly didn't survive it. This is the third major QB injury UW-P has had in less than a year and a half.  Injuries are unfortunate, but they are not always random.

You make an excellent point here Bleed.  The decision by UWP to run the offense they run, knowing full well the defense they are playing against, is a game planning decision no different than a D Coordinator deciding on a defensive scheme.  It's always unfortunate when injuries occur and I would have loved to see Kelly stay in the game because he was very good. 
In thinking back on some games it comes to mind that quite a few talented qb's have been knocked out of the game vs UWW.  We all remember AJ's hit in 2007 against LaCrosse. I think there was a similar one in a playoff game vs. one of the "W" teams that had a very good qb.  Campbellsville last year lost their qb and I'm sure there are quite a few more examples. 

I remember that game..2009 Wittenberg. That was the game when Whitewater came running out of the tunnel before kickoff, and some Wittenberg players thought it would be wise to meet Whitewater at midfield to trash talk (rather than staying on their sideline). Both sides exchanged pushes, and I'm sure some choice words were said. Not sure if that was the smartest plan of attack for them. UWW handed them their first and only loss of the season 31-13, in the playoffs.

From what I remember that game was 14-13 at the half with the QB getting knocked out right before the half and the game changed quickly after that.

yep it was very close. then when their QB went down it was over for them.

And I'm pretty sure the qb was running the ball up the middle- into UWW linebacker country.

[WarhawkDad]

I think it's certainly possible Platteville would have won the game, but it's no certainty.  Kelly would have been under the same pressure that got to Corrigan.  With or without Kelly, things weren't going to come as easy for UW-P as they were the first two drives.

Doesn't experience count for anything.  Kelly was second string, but has started a fair amount of games.  You don't think he could make quicker decisions, have better feel for the pressure, etc. than someone with limited experience?  I wasn't watching the video, so I don't know if Whitewater was sending extra guys to get the pressure, but if I'm the defensive coordinator and see the third string quarterback, I'm coming with everything I have until he proves he can handle it.  Again, I don't think seeing Kelly for one more series and 6 plays (the sixth being a third and one) after the two touchdowns is enough data to conclude that Whitewater had the Kelly led Platteville offense solved.

I think it was possible UW-P would have won, but not a certainty.  I don't think UW-W necessarily had the Pioneer offense solved, but they definitely were beginning to lay big hits on Kelly before the one that knocked him out.  Just three plays prior to his injury he lay crumpled in the end zone for for a couple seconds after being smoked as he threw.  I think the defensive pressure package was there to stay at that point whether Kelly had stayed in the game or not.  Experience definitely counts and Platteville may have won if Kelly stayed in. But if you are going to run the spread offense and disregard the running game, you are exposing your quarterback to much greater risk to injury.  When UW-W cranked up the pressure, Kelly didn't survive it. This is the third major QB injury UW-P has had in less than a year and a half.  Injuries are unfortunate, but they are not always random.

You make an excellent point here Bleed.  The decision by UWP to run the offense they run, knowing full well the defense they are playing against, is a game planning decision no different than a D Coordinator deciding on a defensive scheme.  It's always unfortunate when injuries occur and I would have loved to see Kelly stay in the game because he was very good. 
In thinking back on some games it comes to mind that quite a few talented qb's have been knocked out of the game vs UWW.  We all remember AJ's hit in 2007 against LaCrosse. I think there was a similar one in a playoff game vs. one of the "W" teams that had a very good qb.  Campbellsville last year lost their qb and I'm sure there are quite a few more examples. 

I remember that game..2009 Wittenberg. That was the game when Whitewater came running out of the tunnel before kickoff, and some Wittenberg players thought it would be wise to meet Whitewater at midfield to trash talk (rather than staying on their sideline). Both sides exchanged pushes, and I'm sure some choice words were said. Not sure if that was the smartest plan of attack for them. UWW handed them their first and only loss of the season 31-13, in the playoffs.

I remember the 2009 game against Wittenberg and the hit.  It was a huge momentum swing.    But the trash talking was the Salisbury game last year....wasn't it.....or maybe it was both.

[02 Warhawk]

the 2009 game against Wittenberg and the hit.  It was a huge momentum swing.    But the trash talking was the Salisbury game last year....wasn't it.....or maybe it was both.

Must have been both then. I don't remember the Salisbury one, I must have been late getting into the stadium for that one.

[WarhawkDad]

I think it's certainly possible Platteville would have won the game, but it's no certainty.  Kelly would have been under the same pressure that got to Corrigan.  With or without Kelly, things weren't going to come as easy for UW-P as they were the first two drives.

Doesn't experience count for anything.  Kelly was second string, but has started a fair amount of games.  You don't think he could make quicker decisions, have better feel for the pressure, etc. than someone with limited experience?  I wasn't watching the video, so I don't know if Whitewater was sending extra guys to get the pressure, but if I'm the defensive coordinator and see the third string quarterback, I'm coming with everything I have until he proves he can handle it.  Again, I don't think seeing Kelly for one more series and 6 plays (the sixth being a third and one) after the two touchdowns is enough data to conclude that Whitewater had the Kelly led Platteville offense solved.

I think it was possible UW-P would have won, but not a certainty.  I don't think UW-W necessarily had the Pioneer offense solved, but they definitely were beginning to lay big hits on Kelly before the one that knocked him out.  Just three plays prior to his injury he lay crumpled in the end zone for for a couple seconds after being smoked as he threw.  I think the defensive pressure package was there to stay at that point whether Kelly had stayed in the game or not.  Experience definitely counts and Platteville may have won if Kelly stayed in. But if you are going to run the spread offense and disregard the running game, you are exposing your quarterback to much greater risk to injury.  When UW-W cranked up the pressure, Kelly didn't survive it. This is the third major QB injury UW-P has had in less than a year and a half.  Injuries are unfortunate, but they are not always random.

You make an excellent point here Bleed.  The decision by UWP to run the offense they run, knowing full well the defense they are playing against, is a game planning decision no different than a D Coordinator deciding on a defensive scheme.  It's always unfortunate when injuries occur and I would have loved to see Kelly stay in the game because he was very good. 
In thinking back on some games it comes to mind that quite a few talented qb's have been knocked out of the game vs UWW.  We all remember AJ's hit in 2007 against LaCrosse. I think there was a similar one in a playoff game vs. one of the "W" teams that had a very good qb.  Campbellsville last year lost their qb and I'm sure there are quite a few more examples. 

I remember that game..2009 Wittenberg. That was the game when Whitewater came running out of the tunnel before kickoff, and some Wittenberg players thought it would be wise to meet Whitewater at midfield to trash talk (rather than staying on their sideline). Both sides exchanged pushes, and I'm sure some choice words were said. Not sure if that was the smartest plan of attack for them. UWW handed them their first and only loss of the season 31-13, in the playoffs.

From what I remember that game was 14-13 at the half with the QB getting knocked out right before the half and the game changed quickly after that.

yep it was very close. then when their QB went down it was over for them.

And I'm pretty sure the qb was running the ball up the middle- into UWW linebacker country.

I thought two of our linebackers converged on that sack and hit him from both sides....was it Ford and Olson or was Arnold involved in that one?

[emma17]

I think it's certainly possible Platteville would have won the game, but it's no certainty.  Kelly would have been under the same pressure that got to Corrigan.  With or without Kelly, things weren't going to come as easy for UW-P as they were the first two drives.

Doesn't experience count for anything.  Kelly was second string, but has started a fair amount of games.  You don't think he could make quicker decisions, have better feel for the pressure, etc. than someone with limited experience?  I wasn't watching the video, so I don't know if Whitewater was sending extra guys to get the pressure, but if I'm the defensive coordinator and see the third string quarterback, I'm coming with everything I have until he proves he can handle it.  Again, I don't think seeing Kelly for one more series and 6 plays (the sixth being a third and one) after the two touchdowns is enough data to conclude that Whitewater had the Kelly led Platteville offense solved.

I think it was possible UW-P would have won, but not a certainty.  I don't think UW-W necessarily had the Pioneer offense solved, but they definitely were beginning to lay big hits on Kelly before the one that knocked him out.  Just three plays prior to his injury he lay crumpled in the end zone for for a couple seconds after being smoked as he threw.  I think the defensive pressure package was there to stay at that point whether Kelly had stayed in the game or not.  Experience definitely counts and Platteville may have won if Kelly stayed in. But if you are going to run the spread offense and disregard the running game, you are exposing your quarterback to much greater risk to injury.  When UW-W cranked up the pressure, Kelly didn't survive it. This is the third major QB injury UW-P has had in less than a year and a half.  Injuries are unfortunate, but they are not always random.

You make an excellent point here Bleed.  The decision by UWP to run the offense they run, knowing full well the defense they are playing against, is a game planning decision no different than a D Coordinator deciding on a defensive scheme.  It's always unfortunate when injuries occur and I would have loved to see Kelly stay in the game because he was very good. 
In thinking back on some games it comes to mind that quite a few talented qb's have been knocked out of the game vs UWW.  We all remember AJ's hit in 2007 against LaCrosse. I think there was a similar one in a playoff game vs. one of the "W" teams that had a very good qb.  Campbellsville last year lost their qb and I'm sure there are quite a few more examples. 

I remember that game..2009 Wittenberg. That was the game when Whitewater came running out of the tunnel before kickoff, and some Wittenberg players thought it would be wise to meet Whitewater at midfield to trash talk (rather than staying on their sideline). Both sides exchanged pushes, and I'm sure some choice words were said. Not sure if that was the smartest plan of attack for them. UWW handed them their first and only loss of the season 31-13, in the playoffs.

From what I remember that game was 14-13 at the half with the QB getting knocked out right before the half and the game changed quickly after that.

yep it was very close. then when their QB went down it was over for them.

And I'm pretty sure the qb was running the ball up the middle- into UWW linebacker country.

I thought two of our linebackers converged on that sack and hit him from both sides....was it Ford and Olson or was Arnold involved in that one?

You're probably right that it was a sack, I think I may just remember it as he was trying to escape by running straight ahead.  Man, it could have been any combination of two with that crew.  As I recall it was one of those moments where everyone in the stadium immediately knew the qb was concussed- no baseline testing needed.  Scary to think of it today.   

[MasterJedi]

I think it's certainly possible Platteville would have won the game, but it's no certainty.  Kelly would have been under the same pressure that got to Corrigan.  With or without Kelly, things weren't going to come as easy for UW-P as they were the first two drives.

Doesn't experience count for anything.  Kelly was second string, but has started a fair amount of games.  You don't think he could make quicker decisions, have better feel for the pressure, etc. than someone with limited experience?  I wasn't watching the video, so I don't know if Whitewater was sending extra guys to get the pressure, but if I'm the defensive coordinator and see the third string quarterback, I'm coming with everything I have until he proves he can handle it.  Again, I don't think seeing Kelly for one more series and 6 plays (the sixth being a third and one) after the two touchdowns is enough data to conclude that Whitewater had the Kelly led Platteville offense solved.

I think it was possible UW-P would have won, but not a certainty.  I don't think UW-W necessarily had the Pioneer offense solved, but they definitely were beginning to lay big hits on Kelly before the one that knocked him out.  Just three plays prior to his injury he lay crumpled in the end zone for for a couple seconds after being smoked as he threw.  I think the defensive pressure package was there to stay at that point whether Kelly had stayed in the game or not.  Experience definitely counts and Platteville may have won if Kelly stayed in. But if you are going to run the spread offense and disregard the running game, you are exposing your quarterback to much greater risk to injury.  When UW-W cranked up the pressure, Kelly didn't survive it. This is the third major QB injury UW-P has had in less than a year and a half.  Injuries are unfortunate, but they are not always random.

You make an excellent point here Bleed.  The decision by UWP to run the offense they run, knowing full well the defense they are playing against, is a game planning decision no different than a D Coordinator deciding on a defensive scheme.  It's always unfortunate when injuries occur and I would have loved to see Kelly stay in the game because he was very good. 
In thinking back on some games it comes to mind that quite a few talented qb's have been knocked out of the game vs UWW.  We all remember AJ's hit in 2007 against LaCrosse. I think there was a similar one in a playoff game vs. one of the "W" teams that had a very good qb.  Campbellsville last year lost their qb and I'm sure there are quite a few more examples. 

I remember that game..2009 Wittenberg. That was the game when Whitewater came running out of the tunnel before kickoff, and some Wittenberg players thought it would be wise to meet Whitewater at midfield to trash talk (rather than staying on their sideline). Both sides exchanged pushes, and I'm sure some choice words were said. Not sure if that was the smartest plan of attack for them. UWW handed them their first and only loss of the season 31-13, in the playoffs.

From what I remember that game was 14-13 at the half with the QB getting knocked out right before the half and the game changed quickly after that.

yep it was very close. then when their QB went down it was over for them.

And I'm pretty sure the qb was running the ball up the middle- into UWW linebacker country.

I thought two of our linebackers converged on that sack and hit him from both sides....was it Ford and Olson or was Arnold involved in that one?

You're probably right that it was a sack, I think I may just remember it as he was trying to escape by running straight ahead.  Man, it could have been any combination of two with that crew.  As I recall it was one of those moments where everyone in the stadium immediately knew the qb was concussed- no baseline testing needed.  Scary to think of it today.   

I thought it was a designed QB draw, just ran right into the middle of the LB's (can't remember who), got sandwiched and smacked really good helmit to helmit.

Thinking about hits like that reminds me of the one Donovan took against Linfield, when he was pinned and then crushed backwards near the goal line.

[bleedpurple]

the 2009 game against Wittenberg and the hit.  It was a huge momentum swing.    But the trash talking was the Salisbury game last year....wasn't it.....or maybe it was both.

Must have been both then. I don't remember the Salisbury one, I must have been late getting into the stadium for that one.

It was both.  I am always more confident about the Hawks' chances when a team does that pre-game taunting thing. Not because I think it will pump the Hawks up more but because it strikes me as false bravado.  If the team really had confidence in themselves, they wouldn't feel the need to act tough before the game. 

Last year, quite a few of the Salisbury players came out to about the numbers and waved their arms as the Hawks huddled in the middle after running on the field.  One of the Hawk players afterwards was asked the reaction of the players when they first noticed it.  Asked if it pumped them up, he said, "Actually, most of us were laughing at them". As they got ridiculously close, there were some pushes exchanged after that.

And yes, you probably were late getting into the stadium, 02.  I've been meaning to talk to you about your tailgating habits...

[hazzben]

So, Bethel grad and the son of its former D Coordinator, Paul Plinske is the AD at UWW. That was always an interesting connection and it was sorta fun seeing UWW win, knowing it meant well for Coach P's son.

Now, as a Huskers fan I find myself with another UWW AD connection, Shawn Eichorst, a former DB for the Warhawks is the new Nebraska AD.

I'm not sure what to make of all these unexpected Kevin Bacon-esq connections I'm finding with UWW 

[emma17]

Thinking about hits like that reminds me of the one Donovan took against Linfield, when he was pinned and then crushed backwards near the goal line.
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I couldn't believe he got up from that hit.  For such a thin guy he sure was tough. 

[02 Warhawk]

Can't believe I'll be in la crosse tomorrow, instead of whitewater for the game. I'm trying to convince the wife to catch part of the LX/Pville while we're in town....but I'm not getting my hopes up. This will be my first time in La Crosse.

[voice]

Can't believe I'll be in la crosse tomorrow, instead of whitewater for the game. I'm trying to convince the wife to catch part of the LX/Pville while we're in town....but I'm not getting my hopes up. This will be my first time in La Crosse.

Be extra careful if you plan to swim across the Mississippi River!!

[thrunt01]

Can't believe I'll be in la crosse tomorrow, instead of whitewater for the game. I'm trying to convince the wife to catch part of the LX/Pville while we're in town....but I'm not getting my hopes up. This will be my first time in La Crosse.

La Crosse is beautiful. At least try to see the stadium and the bluffs backdrop, it is really neat.